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Frances Ethel Gumm
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Barbara Joan Streisand
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PostPosted: 12/29/17 10:49 pm    ::: The Better Singer? Garland or Streisand? Reply Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 12/30/17 11:57 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

We’re going to have to leave this for gay men to decide.


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PostPosted: 12/30/17 2:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

That's certainly a choice between two of the greatest ever from movies, Broadway and records. Different voice qualities. Garland's was naturally lower and became even lower and raspier as an adult with all her smoking and drug addiction, until her voice eventually became shot. Streisand sings more through her New Yawk nose and preserved her voice better.

Though close, I gave the edge to Streisand.

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PostPosted: 12/30/17 3:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

jammerbirdi wrote:
We’re going to have to leave this for gay men to decide.


Stereotyping much?


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PostPosted: 12/30/17 4:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Ay Mate wrote:
jammerbirdi wrote:
We’re going to have to leave this for gay men to decide.


Stereotyping much?


That's what I thought.

Don't care for Garland. Not a B.S. fan either, but I do like her movies.



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PostPosted: 12/30/17 5:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Ay Mate wrote:
jammerbirdi wrote:
We’re going to have to leave this for gay men to decide.


Stereotyping much?


This gay man prefers PJ Harvey.


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PostPosted: 12/30/17 8:22 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I was surprised to hear Bette Midler talk about how she had all these passionate gay male fans, thinking that gay men would not be that into female singers. But I am guessing it has more to do with the style of music sung by Midler (and Garland and Streisand).


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PostPosted: 12/30/17 11:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

jammerbirdi wrote:
We’re going to have to leave this for gay men to decide.


...yeah, I think that's only the kind of thing you can get away with saying if you're a gay dude- and, for that matter, one of a specific generation and social class. This is the kind of joke I would be comfortable making with my middle-class middle-aged white dad, but probably wouldn't make with his younger, Latino boarder.

(sorry for the pile-on, jammer, but I thought bringing up the cultural gap was important too)



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PostPosted: 12/31/17 2:10 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Queenie wrote:
jammerbirdi wrote:
We’re going to have to leave this for gay men to decide.


...yeah, I think that's only the kind of thing you can get away with saying if you're a gay dude- and, for that matter, one of a specific generation and social class. This is the kind of joke I would be comfortable making with my middle-class middle-aged white dad, but probably wouldn't make with his younger, Latino boarder.

(sorry for the pile-on, jammer, but I thought bringing up the cultural gap was important too)


I had no problem with jammer's comment, because I literally had no idea what he was referring to. Nor did I understand what the "stereotype" was or the "joke" or the "cultural gap".

So I read about "gay icons" in the entertainment industry. Is it a fact? If so, it can't be a joke or a cultural faux pas to discuss. It's truth. And why should anyone be afraid or offended by truth?

If gay iconism is not a fact, why is there so much intellectual pontification about it, and why would one culture but not some other be offended by it?

I'm iconoclastic about the whole concept; I think it's a broken crock. I absolutely believe Judy Garland was beloved by gay people. She was beloved by everyone -- everyone who has ever seen The Wizard of Oz as a child -- and gays are a subset of everyone.

Every so-called gay icon I've read about from the world of entertainment fame -- Garland, Dietrich, Bette Davis, Joan Crawford, Cary Grant, the list is endless -- are the very same stars who were or are icons for everyone. No one can prove anything statistically, but I would bet the these stars have had the same percentage of heterosexuals as fans as the percentage of homosexuals.

Well . . . now that I have a better understanding of this issue and have formed a tentative opinion about it, I'm better able to have an opinion on jammer's comment. Jammer was either stating a truism about the world, or he was lampooning an unprovable stereotype.

Since I like both truth and lampoons, I'm not offended either way. What does offend me is the perpetually offended and humorless class.
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PostPosted: 12/31/17 9:18 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

And I’m offended by those who makes jokes at or towards other people at their expense. Just sayin’.


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PostPosted: 12/31/17 10:38 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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(this bit of word play/CG reference intended for all who are aware of, but do not practice, anti-semitic behavior nor hold anti-semitic beliefs, although they may know some people who do, and who can distinguish between those things and this joke and comprehend the difference while not assigning bigoted tendencies to the writer. No one's ass was grabbed in the making of this post).


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PostPosted: 12/31/17 4:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

jammerbirdi wrote:
We’re going to have to leave this for gay men to decide.

Well I love you for it, jammer. Really. And I think it was most apropos. Cool
Queenie wrote:
...yeah, I think that's only the kind of thing you can get away with saying if you're a gay dude- and, for that matter, one of a specific generation and social class. This is the kind of joke I would be comfortable making with my middle-class middle-aged white dad, but probably wouldn't make with his younger, Latino boarder.

(sorry for the pile-on, jammer, but I thought bringing up the cultural gap was important too)

See, I think jammer's comment (undoubtedly tongue-in-cheek anyway) is more of an indicator that he--like many--defers to gays as better *judges* of such talent. Valid or not, that's another matter.....but it's not necessarily derogatory in any way. And, as (probably?) the more senior of Reb's gay male denizens at 62, I'd also suggest that his comment is more reflective of a generational divide than a cultural one: jammer and I are about the same age, and recognize how iconic Streisand and Garland have been in the gay culture. Lotsa *kidz these dayz* barely remember them. Hell, Garland's death is even credited as being a precipitating factor in the six-days-later Stonewall Riot, by heightening such raw emotions with her passing. People under 30 might not even be able to tell you who/what/where Stonewall is. Shocked

tfan wrote:
I was surprised to hear Bette Midler talk about how she had all these passionate gay male fans, thinking that gay men would not be that into female singers. But I am guessing it has more to do with the style of music sung by Midler (and Garland and Streisand).

That's cute, tfan, but ima take it you don't follow the Drag Scene: Queens have been emulating these women for decades: they ARE their idols, from Garland, Streisand, Cher, Dolly, Minelli, et.al.,....they are their reasons for living! Laughing
I've heard Bette even credit the gay culture for initiating her success: she's said that it was the gays that fervently embraced her style, back when the best gigs she could land were in the gay bathhouses. Her wild success there propelled her onto Bigger Things.



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PostPosted: 12/31/17 6:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I don't really know much about this subject, but I see Garland as an actress who sings and Streisand as a singer who acts.

Maybe because I only know one Garland song. Smile



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PostPosted: 12/31/17 9:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

flu. all i care about right now is surviving.

definitely tongue in cheek. you can call it stereotype-based humor but that’s just one way of describing it. there’s another. demonstrating some culturally literate understanding of reality. that there exists this highly specific connection between so many gay men and this little itsy bitsy singer is a cultural fact. gay men don’t own the fact and they aren’t the only ones who can crack a joke about it. and if that isn’t a harmless cultural factoid to make a light joke about I don’t know what is. granted, yeah, i wouldn’t get it printed on a t-shirt and walk around LA with it.

And I do NOT defer to the judgment of gay men on this subject. Wink The comment was tongue in cheek.

These videos are comparing a like 22 year-old Barbra and a totally trashed middle-aged Judy. When you have a fever, the thought of either one of these two is enough to make a straight guy hurl.

Streisand might have one of the best voices ever and she knew what to do with it. Judy was more fascinating because of the vulnerability of the whole package. But she was a leading star of the song and dance era in Hollywood. On stage, every move reflected the lifetime of training and rehearsals. And so if the voice was failing her at times the presentation would knock you out.

These stars from back then, golden era and all that, they were like Navy Seals of acting and performing. Maybe the acting was from the pre-naturalistic era of screeen acting, but they were so well trained and polished it was scary.

I don’t even know what the fuck i’m talking about. Let me post some jammer select Judy Garland. Sometimes her voice was there.


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PostPosted: 12/31/17 9:50 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Her voice is very sweet here. The piano player is a god. And, I might add, what it was like to be able to sit at home and have a jazz performance like this on TV.

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PostPosted: 12/31/17 9:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

There are a lot of versions of this tune on YouTube but this one takes no prisoners.

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PostPosted: 12/31/17 10:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

A rare live performance from her younger days.

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PostPosted: 01/01/18 2:30 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Judy was a contralto; Streisand, a mezzo soprano.

Here's Judy at age 7 in 1929 as the youngest of the three Gumm sisters (plus other clips):

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PostPosted: 01/02/18 7:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Judy and Count Basie. Her performance in this opening sequence is one of those things that humbles even musicians.

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PostPosted: 01/02/18 8:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

jammerbirdi wrote:
We’re going to have to leave this for gay men to decide.


Just gay men? Wink

Let's also ask Mike Myers' Linda Richman/"Coffee Talk" character on SNL for any input. Wink



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PostPosted: 01/03/18 12:50 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Barbra by a mile. She is the best pop singer in my humble opinion, and someone who only made it as an entertainer because of her voice. Judy was good, at times very good, but her talent derived from her childhood poise and charisma as well as her voice. Judy led the more intriguing life, but for pure voice it is Barbra.


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