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PostPosted: 12/29/17 1:44 pm    ::: 2018 WNBA Team Resolutions Reply Reply with quote

2018 resolutions courtesy of Michelle Smith
http://www.wnba.com/news/inside-w-michelle-smith-2018-resolutions/

Minnesota - Minnesota’s resolution for 2018 has to be grooming the franchise’s next great point guard.
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Renee Montgomery has been the heir apparent and started 12 games in 2017 when Whalen was out with a hand injury, but Montgomery is a free agent and will need to be sold on staying to take her turn.


Los Angeles - The Sparks’ resolution to make a run at another championship starts with having the right pieces in place.
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[Beard] is an unrestricted free agent and expected to return. Sims is a restricted free agent. Keeping her is also top priority.


Phoenix - The Mercury’s resolution is to get back into the conversation about title contenders from the very start of the season, rather than playing out of a hole and rallying late.
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Diana Taurasi’s retirement from overseas play should mean a healthy, rested star for her 15th WNBA season. DeWanna Bonner is expected to return after missing 2017 to give birth to twins.


Dallas - Dallas resolves to give women’s basketball fans all over the state a great reason to come and see them challenge the best teams in the WNBA.
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Last season, the Wings were the team that nobody wanted to see in the playoffs, with the explosive scoring of Skylar Diggins-Smith and Glory Johnson, and impressive young talent including Kaela Davis and Rookie of the Year Allisha Gray.


*Yawn* No mention of Cambage. SHE should be their new year's resolution.

Seattle - Hughes’ resolution for 2018 has to be to find a championship mentality in this Seattle team anchored by two of the league’s best young players and one of its all-time greats.
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Sue Bird is still playing at a very high level.


Wait, the resolution for Minnesota is to prepare to put Whalen out to pasture, but no thought of pasteurization for Bird? You're losing me, Smith.

Las Vegas - No. 1 resolution has to do directly with No. 1…as in the top pick in the draft come April.
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The Aces have an opportunity to shore up their post game by selecting South Carolina’s A’ja Wilson with the No. 1 pick.


New York - Smith will be looking to push the Liberty past a time of early playoff exits and into the final weeks of the WNBA postseason.
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Smith needs to secure Tina Charles (an unrestricted free agent) as her team’s cornerstone.


Connecticut - The Sun’s resolution is to take last year’s surprise – including the franchise’s first playoff appearance since 2012 – and turn it into 2018’s standard.
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Keeping Alyssa Thomas, a restricted free agent, is on top of the to-do list, along with integrating forward Chiney Ogwumike back into a lineup that found its groove last season with Thomas, breakout star Jonquel Jones and point guard Jasmine Thomas.


Washington - Taking this franchise to the next level in 2018.
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In fact, good health after a season of crippling injuries is the Mystics’ biggest wish for 2018.


Chicago - The Sky resolve to give their fans a good reason to fill their new downtown Chicago home in 2018.
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They might be in line for a big makeover with guards Cappie Pondexter, Jessica Breland and Allie Quigley as unrestricted free agent and center Stefanie Dolson as a restricted free agent.


Yeah, who needs continuity? They gotta mix things up. Gamble a little. Act like you're in Vegas. Surprised

Indiana - Begin a new playoff streak with this storied WNBA franchise just one year after ending the longest streak of postseason appearances in league history.
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The key to making that happen will be finding an athletic, dynamic post to accompany Candice Dupree, whose services will need to be secured in free agency, in the frontcourt.


Atlanta - Start anew in 2018.
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The hiring of Nikki Collen as the new head coach gives the Dream an opportunity to reboot as a franchise.



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PostPosted: 12/29/17 1:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Renee Montgomery is 31 years old. That's the same age Whalen was when she won her second championship. Not to mention that she's nowhere close to being as good as Whalen, which is why she was available to be the backup in the first place. I'd sooner believe Alexis Jones as the PG of the future.



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Renee Montgomery is 31 years old. That's the same age Whalen was when she won her second championship. Not to mention that she's nowhere close to being as good as Whalen, which is why she was available to be the backup in the first place. I'd sooner believe Alexis Jones as the PG of the future.


How old is Bird?

I'm sure Jones will get an opportunity, but how far in the future are you talking? Her sample size has been too small to make any big bets.



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PostPosted: 12/29/17 2:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Renee Montgomery is 31 years old. That's the same age Whalen was when she won her second championship. Not to mention that she's nowhere close to being as good as Whalen, which is why she was available to be the backup in the first place. I'd sooner believe Alexis Jones as the PG of the future.


How old is Bird?

I'm sure Jones will get an opportunity, but how far in the future are you talking? Her sample size has been too small to make any big bets.


Whalen is younger than Bird, so it could easily be 3-4 years down the road. 35 year old Montgomery isn't going to be the answer. She's barely the answer now as a backup. The Lynx were 19-3 when Whalen started compared to 8-4 when Montgomery did.



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PostPosted: 12/29/17 2:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

You're trying to sell it as it's simple as that, but there are so many variables to winning and losing.... a point I was making in the Mock Draft thread.
The whole team was healthy when Whalen was playing. Brunson was hurt at the same time as Whalen, so the team depth took a big hit. Seeing a lot more of Pierson and Howard, and also more of Jones. Montgomery don't have Montgomery as a backup. Also, the schedule was lighter early in the season compared to August. Old team gets tired late in the season, so two starters going down at the same time can understandably lead to less winning. Somebody may have moved the water bottle in the wrong spot behind the toilet. Somebody may have parked in Patterson's spot. There are just so many variables to winning and losing.



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PostPosted: 12/29/17 4:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I would love to see Charles join the Wings, stranger things have happened.
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PostPosted: 12/29/17 4:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
I would love to see Charles join the Wings, stranger things have happened.


Have they?


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#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
I would love to see Charles join the Wings, stranger things have happened.


Have they?


Wait, can we make sure the Liberty will still be playing in New York before discussing any free agent moves for the team.



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#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
I would love to see Charles join the Wings, stranger things have happened.


Have they?


Wait, can we make sure the Liberty will still be playing in New York before discussing any free agent moves for the team.



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PostPosted: 12/29/17 4:54 pm    ::: Re: 2018 WNBA Team Resolutions Reply Reply with quote

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Wait, the resolution for Minnesota is to prepare to put Whalen out to pasture, but no thought of pasteurization for Bird? You're losing me, Smith.


Minnesota has 4 USA National Team members and wins every other year and is the defending champion. No resolutions she can give them other than preparing to replace their oldest USA National Team member. Seattle has other issues to talk about.


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PostPosted: 12/29/17 5:28 pm    ::: Re: 2018 WNBA Team Resolutions Reply Reply with quote

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Wait, the resolution for Minnesota is to prepare to put Whalen out to pasture, but no thought of pasteurization for Bird? You're losing me, Smith.


Minnesota has 4 USA National Team members and wins every other year and is the defending champion. No resolutions she can give them other than preparing to replace their oldest USA National Team member. Seattle has other issues to talk about.


Agreed. Seattle did not improve at all last year from the previous year. I think Valavanis and Boucek were not on the same page about what bench players to add. While grooming a replacement for Bird is important, the bigger issue is developing a supporting cast around the Big 3 so they might get out of the first round. Minnesota's got the present all set, so all they need is to look to the future.


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PostPosted: 12/29/17 6:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

PUmatty wrote:
#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
I would love to see Charles join the Wings, stranger things have happened.


Have they?


If they have ive been blind for 21 years. Liz & Charles = Eh . Now a sign & Trade hmmm..Nah id still pass and keep the Camb*tch ! #WFFL



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#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
I would love to see Charles join the Wings, stranger things have happened.


Is that your resolution for the Wings... sign Charles..... and Cambage or aren't you a Cambage believer?



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Shades wrote:
#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
I would love to see Charles join the Wings, stranger things have happened.


Is that your resolution for the Wings... sign Charles..... and Cambage or aren't you a Cambage believer?


Just an idea, at one time I was the only person who said the wings should sign Christmas and they ended up doing so, maybe it'll work with Charles this time around. I think Tina and Liz could work well together, some smaller front lines might kill the wings, but that combo sure would score a lot. I would be all for moving Johnson, maybe to the sky and somehow the wings can land Quigley. Allie might be looking for a new home because I can't see her starting more then a handful of games if the sky end up with Mitchell or DeShields.
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#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
Shades wrote:
#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
I would love to see Charles join the Wings, stranger things have happened.


Is that your resolution for the Wings... sign Charles..... and Cambage or aren't you a Cambage believer?


Just an idea, at one time I was the only person who said the wings should sign Christmas and they ended up doing so, maybe it'll work with Charles this time around. I think Tina and Liz could work well together, some smaller front lines might kill the wings, but that combo sure would score a lot. I would be all for moving Johnson, maybe to the sky and somehow the wings can land Quigley. Allie might be looking for a new home because I can't see her starting more then a handful of games if the sky end up with Mitchell or DeShields.


I can't see Quigley wanting to move on. She's playing in her hometown(ish) and thriving on that team.


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miller40 wrote:
#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
Shades wrote:
#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
I would love to see Charles join the Wings, stranger things have happened.


Is that your resolution for the Wings... sign Charles..... and Cambage or aren't you a Cambage believer?


Just an idea, at one time I was the only person who said the wings should sign Christmas and they ended up doing so, maybe it'll work with Charles this time around. I think Tina and Liz could work well together, some smaller front lines might kill the wings, but that combo sure would score a lot. I would be all for moving Johnson, maybe to the sky and somehow the wings can land Quigley. Allie might be looking for a new home because I can't see her starting more then a handful of games if the sky end up with Mitchell or DeShields.


I can't see Quigley wanting to move on. She's playing in her hometown(ish) and thriving on that team.


Yeah i dont see Mitchell or Deshields knocking quigley out of a starting job . She's an All-Star , If anything they would slide her over and play 3 With either of the rookies. But Quigley to dallas sure bring her on . Where she will play might be even a worse situation than chicago .

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PostPosted: 12/29/17 10:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The only way Charles becomes a true free agent is if the Liberty go under or the entire front office fall into a coma. Unless you've already got a contract in hand (which officially they can't have, under the rules), you just core her.



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Yeah if NY exists Charles ain't going nowhere.

(Now if they don't exists which I shutter to even consider, Charles to Vegas to reunite with Big Bill and the Aces can trade the #1 pick for a really good vet on a team doing a rebuild or trade down (#1 for McCoughtry and a 2nd round pick, #1 for #3 and #4 a Wilson/Dolson front-court would look pretty good in Chicago) and Vegas will be in business in Laimbeer's debut season, but hell no to NY not existing, keeping the faith, and the fact that Vopel didn't offer any sort of qualifier when talking about NY is a good sign).


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I would think the Liberty's resolution for 2018 is to exist, preferably in a good arena in New York, but what do I know?



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I would think the Liberty's resolution for 2018 is to exist, preferably in a good arena in New York, but what do I know?


That was mine...and I'm sure every Libs fan's thought. But it makes you wonder...they hired a new coach right away...and nobody associated with the Libs is saying anything. I feel like there are things at play that we are not aware of that will break in a positive way. It just seems otherwise strange that Katie Smith would accept the coaching position without some assurances that the current situation will be resolved with the team staying put. She'd be a hot coaching commodity otherwise, even on the college level.



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There've also been no suggestions that the League has moved the free agency calendar, which started on January 1st, suggesting the League is expecting the franchise to exist (and likely suggesting they expect them to exist somewhere in New York). You can't expect them to handle free agents -- their own or generally available ones - when potential players wouldn't know where they're going to play (or if the team would even exist).



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I'd expect if a sale falls through at the last minute that the league would take over the Liberty for 2018. If FA is starting earlier, the whole Liberty thing needs to be set in stone ASAP.



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I'd expect if a sale falls through at the last minute that the league would take over the Liberty for 2018. If FA is starting earlier, the whole Liberty thing needs to be set in stone ASAP.


Or MSG can keep the club for this season and move it to a different venue.
That'd be similar to what the Mystics are doing.



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I'm just hoping to hear something next week. Any kind of news is needed at this point. The longer we hear nothing the more worrisome I'll be.



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Queenie wrote:
I would think the Liberty's resolution for 2018 is to exist, preferably in a good arena in New York, but what do I know?


That was mine...and I'm sure every Libs fan's thought. But it makes you wonder...they hired a new coach right away...and nobody associated with the Libs is saying anything. I feel like there are things at play that we are not aware of that will break in a positive way. It just seems otherwise strange that Katie Smith would accept the coaching position without some assurances that the current situation will be resolved with the team staying put. She'd be a hot coaching commodity otherwise, even on the college level.


Yes, it's not like she has any experience being on a team that moved after receiving assurances that everything would be okey-dokey after an ownership change.



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It just seems otherwise strange that Katie Smith would accept the coaching position without some assurances that the current situation will be resolved with the team staying put. She'd be a hot coaching commodity otherwise, even on the college level.


She may not have known about the team situation when she accepted the position. Although the fact that Laimbeer left a month before the official announcement might mean that the coaching staff knew about the impending intention-to-sell. Or the Las Vegas owners could have made Laimbeer an offer he couldn't refuse even if there was no change expected with the Liberty.


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toad455 wrote:
I'm just hoping to hear something next week. Any kind of news is needed at this point. The longer we hear nothing the more worrisome I'll be.


I'd be very surprised if we hear anything in the coming week. Short work week. Many have been away from their jobs for 10 or 11 days and will probably return to piles of stuff that should have been addressed in mid-December but wasn't.

My guess: the only way we'll hear something this week is if a deal was already cut before Dec. 22nd and it was decided to wait and announce it in January. I suspect this will drag on till at least mid-January.

For Liberty fans who are extremely stressed, I hope I'm wrong.



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I would like to add 2 resolutions for the league itself.

1) Keep all your teams afloat and where they are. There is no stability among the franchises. There are a few strong ones and several weak ones. And when even the New York franchise is in trouble something needs to be fixed.

2) Find a way to bring more balance to the league. Enough of Minnesota, LA, and Phoenix. It is past time for other teams to have a shot. Among the six teams in the East only one has ever won a Championship. The Lynx have been in the finals six of the past 7 years.


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And when even the New York franchise is in trouble something needs to be fixed.


I'm of the opinion that NYC is actually one of the more difficult places to make a profit. MSG has got to be a very expensive place to host a team. For example, anyone who sits courtside gets the benefit of the Delta Club with multiple meal stations and a ton of free candy and popcorn all game. The venue has all levels open and probably fully staff as they would for a Knicks game but with less attendance and less profit per ticket. I would be curious to know how much would need to be paid for players' accommodations and travel, too. There is also the constant pressure to make that arena available for other things which could result in great cost to turn it around quickly.


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calbearman76 wrote:
And when even the New York franchise is in trouble something needs to be fixed.


I'm of the opinion that NYC is actually one of the more difficult places to make a profit. MSG has got to be a very expensive place to host a team. For example, anyone who sits courtside gets the benefit of the Delta Club with multiple meal stations and a ton of free candy and popcorn all game. The venue has all levels open and probably fully staff as they would for a Knicks game but with less attendance and less profit per ticket. I would be curious to know how much would need to be paid for players' accommodations and travel, too. There is also the constant pressure to make that arena available for other things which could result in great cost to turn it around quickly.


What you're saying, just in terms of known facts, is in many ways incorrect. When the Liberty play at MSG, all levels are NOT open; only the lower bowl. Fully staffed? No way. Many concession stands and bars are closed. Given the smaller crowd, there are also many fewer ushers, security officers, cleanup staff, etc., than for a Knicks' game.

Even more important, in New York City there is far more opportunity to make a bundle on TV coverage of a sports team, advertising, corporate tie-ins, etc., than in much smaller metropolitan areas. I'm not saying that the Liberty have been making lots of money. I don't trust a word that any sports organization or league says about its finances. But I don't agree-- whether for the Liberty or any other sports franchise--that the New York metropolitan area is one of the more difficult places to make a profit, even with higher costs of various kinds.



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It's really sad the lack of concession stands available at Liberty games. But it's understandable since no one seems to buy anything. I know it's more of a family value type of event and the prices are ridiculous at MSG, but still. I've been to concerts and Knicks' games there and the lines are usually super long for anything. But will anything be cheaper if they play at Barclays? Prudential Center? Nassau?



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Bob Lamm wrote:
Nerd2 wrote:
calbearman76 wrote:
And when even the New York franchise is in trouble something needs to be fixed.


I'm of the opinion that NYC is actually one of the more difficult places to make a profit. MSG has got to be a very expensive place to host a team. For example, anyone who sits courtside gets the benefit of the Delta Club with multiple meal stations and a ton of free candy and popcorn all game. The venue has all levels open and probably fully staff as they would for a Knicks game but with less attendance and less profit per ticket. I would be curious to know how much would need to be paid for players' accommodations and travel, too. There is also the constant pressure to make that arena available for other things which could result in great cost to turn it around quickly.


What you're saying, just in terms of known facts, is in many ways incorrect. When the Liberty play at MSG, all levels are NOT open; only the lower bowl. Fully staffed? No way. Many concession stands and bars are closed. Given the smaller crowd, there are also many fewer ushers, security officers, cleanup staff, etc., than for a Knicks' game.

Even more important, in New York City there is far more opportunity to make a bundle on TV coverage of a sports team, advertising, corporate tie-ins, etc., than in much smaller metropolitan areas. I'm not saying that the Liberty have been making lots of money. I don't trust a word that any sports organization or league says about its finances. But I don't agree-- whether for the Liberty or any other sports franchise--that the New York metropolitan area is one of the more difficult places to make a profit, even with higher costs of various kinds.


I thought that the upper level was open when I went there but I admit I've never seen it in its Knicks state. I probably don't know what it is supposed to look like. And I'm a bit embarrassed over the statement that it was staffed at Knicks level - of course it wouldn't be. But you are pointing to a trade off of cost to host vs. the opportunities it brings for profit and I question whether sponsors are lining up to support it with so many other ways to invest their money. The Storm had pointed out that a lot of their early success was because they shared resources with the NBA team and got a bit of the cross-goodwill. Would the Liberty lose some ticket revenue and sponsor dollars by not being attached to the NBA team anymore?


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Nerd2 wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
Nerd2 wrote:
calbearman76 wrote:
And when even the New York franchise is in trouble something needs to be fixed.


I'm of the opinion that NYC is actually one of the more difficult places to make a profit. MSG has got to be a very expensive place to host a team. For example, anyone who sits courtside gets the benefit of the Delta Club with multiple meal stations and a ton of free candy and popcorn all game. The venue has all levels open and probably fully staff as they would for a Knicks game but with less attendance and less profit per ticket. I would be curious to know how much would need to be paid for players' accommodations and travel, too. There is also the constant pressure to make that arena available for other things which could result in great cost to turn it around quickly.


What you're saying, just in terms of known facts, is in many ways incorrect. When the Liberty play at MSG, all levels are NOT open; only the lower bowl. Fully staffed? No way. Many concession stands and bars are closed. Given the smaller crowd, there are also many fewer ushers, security officers, cleanup staff, etc., than for a Knicks' game.

Even more important, in New York City there is far more opportunity to make a bundle on TV coverage of a sports team, advertising, corporate tie-ins, etc., than in much smaller metropolitan areas. I'm not saying that the Liberty have been making lots of money. I don't trust a word that any sports organization or league says about its finances. But I don't agree-- whether for the Liberty or any other sports franchise--that the New York metropolitan area is one of the more difficult places to make a profit, even with higher costs of various kinds.


I thought that the upper level was open when I went there but I admit I've never seen it in its Knicks state. I probably don't know what it is supposed to look like. And I'm a bit embarrassed over the statement that it was staffed at Knicks level - of course it wouldn't be. But you are pointing to a trade off of cost to host vs. the opportunities it brings for profit and I question whether sponsors are lining up to support it with so many other ways to invest their money. The Storm had pointed out that a lot of their early success was because they shared resources with the NBA team and got a bit of the cross-goodwill. Would the Liberty lose some ticket revenue and sponsor dollars by not being attached to the NBA team anymore?


Your question at the end is an excellent question. I can't answer it; perhaps there are others here who have more knowledge of all this. It's certainly possible that there are sponsors who cut a deal with Dolan that involves the Knicks, the Rangers, the Liberty, college basketball, music events--or at least some of those--that wouldn't be involved with the Liberty after Dolan sells the team.



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The lower bowl at MSG(otherwise the 100s) seats just over 10,000. Only for camp days is the upper bowl opened(200s). For the 2016 play-off game was the 200s opened which, according to the boxscore, had just less than 1,000 people up there.

Their time at Prudential Center was terrible. The fans didn't show up(about half of what was reported). Comps were easily obtainable. The atmosphere was even worse. Only went to two games during their 3 years there because of this and it was half the distance to get to Prudential than MSG for me. So I know moving them to Newark would be a nail in the coffin for the Liberty. I hope they can stay at MSG because I don't see them drawing well in Brooklyn. The Nets can't draw there(yes, they suck), but even if they get half of what the Nets get(~7,500) I guess it would be ok(better than Dallas, Atlanta, Chicago).



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The lower bowl at MSG(otherwise the 100s) seats just over 10,000. Only for camp days is the upper bowl opened(200s). For the 2016 play-off game was the 200s opened which, according to the boxscore, had just less than 1,000 people up there.

Their time at Prudential Center was terrible. The fans didn't show up(about half of what was reported). Comps were easily obtainable. The atmosphere was even worse. Only went to two games during their 3 years there because of this and it was half the distance to get to Prudential than MSG for me. So I know moving them to Newark would be a nail in the coffin for the Liberty. I hope they can stay at MSG because I don't see them drawing well in Brooklyn. The Nets can't draw there(yes, they suck), but even if they get half of what the Nets get(~7,500) I guess it would be ok(better than Dallas, Atlanta, Chicago).


Still throwing slugs I see Toad. Shocked My team knows where we will play and we are 100% sure we will play next season also. Nothings better than that huh 😉



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I would think the Liberty's resolution for 2018 is to exist, preferably in a good arena in New York, but what do I know?


That was mine...and I'm sure every Libs fan's thought. But it makes you wonder...they hired a new coach right away...and nobody associated with the Libs is saying anything. I feel like there are things at play that we are not aware of that will break in a positive way. It just seems otherwise strange that Katie Smith would accept the coaching position without some assurances that the current situation will be resolved with the team staying put. She'd be a hot coaching commodity otherwise, even on the college level.


Yes, it's not like she has any experience being on a team that moved after receiving assurances that everything would be okey-dokey after an ownership change.


True, but what I mean is, I'd think she'd have had multiple opportunities. Ones that would probably be better than an unstable one involving a complete change of location and management personnel. I'd think she'd have waited for something better if the alternative was instability.



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NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote:
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I would think the Liberty's resolution for 2018 is to exist, preferably in a good arena in New York, but what do I know?


That was mine...and I'm sure every Libs fan's thought. But it makes you wonder...they hired a new coach right away...and nobody associated with the Libs is saying anything. I feel like there are things at play that we are not aware of that will break in a positive way. It just seems otherwise strange that Katie Smith would accept the coaching position without some assurances that the current situation will be resolved with the team staying put. She'd be a hot coaching commodity otherwise, even on the college level.


Yes, it's not like she has any experience being on a team that moved after receiving assurances that everything would be okey-dokey after an ownership change.


True, but what I mean is, I'd think she'd have had multiple opportunities. Ones that would probably be better than an unstable one involving a complete change of location and management personnel. I'd think she'd have waited for something better if the alternative was instability.


Their social media pages are active with daily updates of players overseas and 2017 highlights. Someone is paying their advertising team right now. I have to believe the Smith hiring also leads me to be optimistic they'll be in NY for 2018.



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Queenie wrote:
NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote:
Queenie wrote:
I would think the Liberty's resolution for 2018 is to exist, preferably in a good arena in New York, but what do I know?


That was mine...and I'm sure every Libs fan's thought. But it makes you wonder...they hired a new coach right away...and nobody associated with the Libs is saying anything. I feel like there are things at play that we are not aware of that will break in a positive way. It just seems otherwise strange that Katie Smith would accept the coaching position without some assurances that the current situation will be resolved with the team staying put. She'd be a hot coaching commodity otherwise, even on the college level.


Yes, it's not like she has any experience being on a team that moved after receiving assurances that everything would be okey-dokey after an ownership change.


True, but what I mean is, I'd think she'd have had multiple opportunities. Ones that would probably be better than an unstable one involving a complete change of location and management personnel. I'd think she'd have waited for something better if the alternative was instability.


Their social media pages are active with daily updates of players overseas and 2017 highlights. Someone is paying their advertising team right now. I have to believe the Smith hiring also leads me to be optimistic they'll be in NY for 2018.


Even if someone were buying the team and planning to move it to another city, it would be SO late to do so for 2018. Is it possible? Yes. Likely? I can't believe that.



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The lower bowl at MSG(otherwise the 100s) seats just over 10,000. Only for camp days is the upper bowl opened(200s). For the 2016 play-off game was the 200s opened which, according to the boxscore, had just less than 1,000 people up there.

Their time at Prudential Center was terrible. The fans didn't show up(about half of what was reported). Comps were easily obtainable. The atmosphere was even worse. Only went to two games during their 3 years there because of this and it was half the distance to get to Prudential than MSG for me. So I know moving them to Newark would be a nail in the coffin for the Liberty. I hope they can stay at MSG because I don't see them drawing well in Brooklyn. The Nets can't draw there(yes, they suck), but even if they get half of what the Nets get(~7,500) I guess it would be ok(better than Dallas, Atlanta, Chicago).


I disagree about Barclays on one point...A LOT of fans both past and present live near there in Park Slope, even more of the new guard esp the Friday baller crowd come from along the A line in Brooklyn...so it would be shorter...sure there will be SOME growing pains and I'm no Barclays Center spammer Wink but I do think they would draw...plus the lower bowl seats fewer from what I saw from going to college games there...so 7500 could look impressive

as for stragglers in the upper deck...It happened during Pride as well...which tells you how important the LGBT community is to the Libs and why Bernert made it such a point to rebuild the bridge Blaze thoroughly burnt over 13 years and too many incidents to mention.

Playing in an arena that is within healthy summer walking distance of what (while not what it was) still is one of the larger lesbian centers in the country makes sense It's also about a mile from Many of the black community centers of Brooklyn and for the geek in you Mr. Charles' record store Smile

I dont see it, I dont see dolan letting it happen which means some either ripoff lease or playing at like STJ which is the right size but is almost all bleacher and is not convient to any of our centers

Pru center was a disaster because

1. The team was the least engaged with the fanbase (Braxton, Cappie etc then bill literally replacing the team 1-12) than any version of the club

2. Jersey fans were prejudiced against Newark (it took a few years for the Devils to get over this too) as the city is seen as a slum (and im being nice to the suburban NJites by just saying slum...grrrr) and the local AA and youth Basketball community was not properly marketed too and the locals WERE certainly on the poor side. I remember the PATH being full after games with almost all NY die hards.

3 The team as I said before was the least engaged with the Fans...and they also weren't that good. One decent season then the start of 3 straight below 500 years. Easily the worst stretch in club history.

Bernert put in work recovering that base...and Clarke carried that torch...and engaging fans is SO important...team is still good and I do think is a move away from taking that next step...tho the ownership flux will hurt and there will need to be a LOT of marketing to avoid another pru center style disaster.

And time will be short...and they'll need to work the old STH database first (see what happened when Sheila took over the Mystics LOL) or all hell will break loose...So yes...we need stuff settled before we can sigh FAs need to build excitement

I agree clarke and co have done a good job showing the team is still active...but once the new owners are in place...thats when the work begins in earnest



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It's also about a mile from Many of the AA centers of Brooklyn


Alcoholics Anonymous? Those one game playoff losses have turned Liberty fans into drunks. Wink



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It's also about a mile from Many of the AA centers of Brooklyn


Alcoholics Anonymous? Those one game playoff losses have turned Liberty fans into drunks. Wink


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[quote="Happycappie25"] as for stragglers in the upper deck...It happened during Pride as well...which tells you how important the LGBT community is to the Libs and why Bernert made it such a point to rebuild the bridge Blaze thoroughly burnt over 13 years and too many incidents to mention. /quote]

I'm glad to see this mentioned. The bitter irony of all that Carol Blazejowski did to alienate the Liberty's strong lesbian fan base should never be forgotten.



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It's also about a mile from Many of the AA centers of Brooklyn


Alcoholics Anonymous? Those one game playoff losses have turned Liberty fans into drunks. Wink


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as for stragglers in the upper deck...It happened during Pride as well...which tells you how important the LGBT community is to the Libs and why Bernert made it such a point to rebuild the bridge Blaze thoroughly burnt over 13 years and too many incidents to mention. /quote]

I'm glad to see this mentioned. The bitter irony of all that Carol Blazejowski did to alienate the Liberty's strong lesbian fan base should never be forgotten.


Let me count the ways...its why I booed her when she was introed as part of the 1997 reunion...I was not alone...I remember when she was booed when they were doing the rucker park honors...yeah...LGBT fans did not forget...nor should they...ever.

Given her work with RBNY and MLS I've learned not to paint Amy Scheer, her longtime right hand woman with the same brush...and would welcome her back as an exec if thats what was what it took with new owners...but Blaze...stay the HELL away from our libs!



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Must have a NY/NJ presence in the league... A must.

Katie Smith will be fine regardless of whatever happens in NY.


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I'd rather not make the playoffs and get in better position for (FINALLY) getting the #1 draft pick than making the playoffs and crashing out in a one and done.


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The lower bowl at MSG(otherwise the 100s) seats just over 10,000. Only for camp days is the upper bowl opened(200s). For the 2016 play-off game was the 200s opened which, according to the boxscore, had just less than 1,000 people up there.

Their time at Prudential Center was terrible. The fans didn't show up(about half of what was reported). Comps were easily obtainable. The atmosphere was even worse. Only went to two games during their 3 years there because of this and it was half the distance to get to Prudential than MSG for me. So I know moving them to Newark would be a nail in the coffin for the Liberty. I hope they can stay at MSG because I don't see them drawing well in Brooklyn. The Nets can't draw there(yes, they suck), but even if they get half of what the Nets get(~7,500) I guess it would be ok(better than Dallas, Atlanta, Chicago).


Still throwing slugs I see Toad. Shocked My team knows where we will play and we are 100% sure we will play next season also. Nothings better than that huh 😉


It's a simple factual statement. 7500 is more than the draw of those three. In fact, Dallas can't even hold 7500, can it?


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toad455 wrote:
The lower bowl at MSG(otherwise the 100s) seats just over 10,000. Only for camp days is the upper bowl opened(200s). For the 2016 play-off game was the 200s opened which, according to the boxscore, had just less than 1,000 people up there.

Their time at Prudential Center was terrible. The fans didn't show up(about half of what was reported). Comps were easily obtainable. The atmosphere was even worse. Only went to two games during their 3 years there because of this and it was half the distance to get to Prudential than MSG for me. So I know moving them to Newark would be a nail in the coffin for the Liberty. I hope they can stay at MSG because I don't see them drawing well in Brooklyn. The Nets can't draw there(yes, they suck), but even if they get half of what the Nets get(~7,500) I guess it would be ok(better than Dallas, Atlanta, Chicago).


Still throwing slugs I see Toad. Shocked My team knows where we will play and we are 100% sure we will play next season also. Nothings better than that huh 😉


It's a simple factual statement. 7500 is more than the draw of those three. In fact, Dallas can't even hold 7500, can it?


7500-8000 is max. And you're right statements made by me and toad are facts right now. Ready for season opener in college park now. Cool



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