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PostPosted: 12/04/17 3:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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So Lexi Brown is basically having another 50/40/90 season, she’s an elite level shooter and can create her own shot from 3, I would take her over Mitchell right now, I don’t think she’ll last past number 6.

Her numbers at Duke are certainly impressive. Is she a legitimate point guard prospect at the next level rather than just a scorer? If the top four go as some combination of Wilson/DeShields/Mitchell/Williams (or others), I wonder if Seattle could see Brown/Loyd as their eventual backcourt when Bird finally walks off into the sunset. After Wilson it seems like they might be reaching if they only looked at true bigs at #5.


Brown is not a true W PG. She is a scoring guard who can handle and pass and is a secondary facilitator, but she is not a primary playmaker.

Alexis Jones is more of a PG than Lexi Brown, to use a Duke comparison.

Now, pair her with someone just like her who is more of a PG or who can at least be a primary playmaker, and she will be just fine.


Oh, Brown is not a "true" PG? Good that only means she's more versatile and will do just fine in the PG role in the WNBA. College "true" PGs don't do very well in the WNBA. Does that mean Brown will only play PG in the WNBA? No, like Diggins (my favorite comparison), she can be used off guard when Allisha Gray has to sit or be used at the SF spot, but most of the time she'll do just fine running the show.

If you ask Brown, she'll say she's a PG. What was she doing at Maryland?



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CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
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I saw a Uconn fan call Gabby the female Kawhi Leonard, I think that's a good comparison for her. Yes Gabby isn't a outside shooter yet, but If she puts the work in, she could be the best 2way player in the WNBA in a few seasons.

I could see that, but there are also a whole host of players on the other side of the 'can they learn to shoot after being drafted?' ledger. Leonard became a really good outside shooter, and that's a big part of how effective he became as an offensive player. Some just can't do it, even if they do work really hard on it, and that would put a different ceiling on Williams as a player.


Gabby is a truly elite prospect, in terms of sheer athleticism, leaping ability, lateral speed and front/back speed.

For her size and position, she is an excellent rebounder, very good passer/playmaker, great slasher, and a tremendous open court threat.

But if after four years under Geno Auriemma, she still cannot develop a consistent outside shot, I have concerns. Her mid-range jumper is better, but she still cannot hit free throws at a good percentage.


As an aside, Williams' success will be dependent on that outside shot, but also on fit. Pairing her as a SF on a team with shooting from 1-2 and 4-5 would be ideal.

This is why i think Chicago would be an excellent fit. First, it feels a need. It adds a truly athletic presence to a team that has shooting from four players on the floor. I think she will add a much needed defensive presence and rebounding.


Thanks for that analysis. She is exactly what Chicago needs. Everyone wants this young lady to be the next Maya Moore. They say she can't shoot like Moore so she is not a lottery pick and she will be a bust. My advice to all those people is they should concern themselves with their team's draft picks and do not worry about who Chicago should draft.



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PostPosted: 12/04/17 7:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Brown is not a true W PG. She is a scoring guard who can handle and pass and is a secondary facilitator, but she is not a primary playmaker.

Alexis Jones is more of a PG than Lexi Brown, to use a Duke comparison.

Now, pair her with someone just like her who is more of a PG or who can at least be a primary playmaker, and she will be just fine.


Cam I think a pretty fair comparison for Brown is Jasmine Thomas, who learned to be a PG from combo guard.

Thoughts?


Brown is a much better shooter than Thomas (especially taking out this season of Thomas). But yes, that is a pretty good comparison.


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CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
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#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
I saw a Uconn fan call Gabby the female Kawhi Leonard, I think that's a good comparison for her. Yes Gabby isn't a outside shooter yet, but If she puts the work in, she could be the best 2way player in the WNBA in a few seasons.

I could see that, but there are also a whole host of players on the other side of the 'can they learn to shoot after being drafted?' ledger. Leonard became a really good outside shooter, and that's a big part of how effective he became as an offensive player. Some just can't do it, even if they do work really hard on it, and that would put a different ceiling on Williams as a player.


Gabby is a truly elite prospect, in terms of sheer athleticism, leaping ability, lateral speed and front/back speed.

For her size and position, she is an excellent rebounder, very good passer/playmaker, great slasher, and a tremendous open court threat.

But if after four years under Geno Auriemma, she still cannot develop a consistent outside shot, I have concerns. Her mid-range jumper is better, but she still cannot hit free throws at a good percentage.


As an aside, Williams' success will be dependent on that outside shot, but also on fit. Pairing her as a SF on a team with shooting from 1-2 and 4-5 would be ideal.

This is why i think Chicago would be an excellent fit. First, it feels a need. It adds a truly athletic presence to a team that has shooting from four players on the floor. I think she will add a much needed defensive presence and rebounding.


Thanks for that analysis. She is exactly what Chicago needs. Everyone wants this young lady to be the next Maya Moore. They say she can't shoot like Moore so she is not a lottery pick and she will be a bust. My advice to all those people is they should concern themselves with their team's draft picks and do not worry about who Chicago should draft.


I really don't think Chicago should pick her... So that she can fall down to #7 Razz


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Rock Hard wrote:
CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
I saw a Uconn fan call Gabby the female Kawhi Leonard, I think that's a good comparison for her. Yes Gabby isn't a outside shooter yet, but If she puts the work in, she could be the best 2way player in the WNBA in a few seasons.

I could see that, but there are also a whole host of players on the other side of the 'can they learn to shoot after being drafted?' ledger. Leonard became a really good outside shooter, and that's a big part of how effective he became as an offensive player. Some just can't do it, even if they do work really hard on it, and that would put a different ceiling on Williams as a player.


Gabby is a truly elite prospect, in terms of sheer athleticism, leaping ability, lateral speed and front/back speed.

For her size and position, she is an excellent rebounder, very good passer/playmaker, great slasher, and a tremendous open court threat.

But if after four years under Geno Auriemma, she still cannot develop a consistent outside shot, I have concerns. Her mid-range jumper is better, but she still cannot hit free throws at a good percentage.


As an aside, Williams' success will be dependent on that outside shot, but also on fit. Pairing her as a SF on a team with shooting from 1-2 and 4-5 would be ideal.

This is why i think Chicago would be an excellent fit. First, it feels a need. It adds a truly athletic presence to a team that has shooting from four players on the floor. I think she will add a much needed defensive presence and rebounding.


Thanks for that analysis. She is exactly what Chicago needs. Everyone wants this young lady to be the next Maya Moore. They say she can't shoot like Moore so she is not a lottery pick and she will be a bust. My advice to all those people is they should concern themselves with their team's draft picks and do not worry about who Chicago should draft.


If she's there when my team picks, they should take her



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There is a difference between long range shooters and those that stand with their toes on the line and shoot. Look at KML she had trouble adjusting, a lot of her shots were close to the line in college, not talking about the odd 3 talking about majority. The players who shoot out from the line have a better chance in the W.

Regarding players like Williams. How many of these players who some are saying can shoot can play defense and pass the ball and play team ball and be selfless and work their ass off. Takes much more to make it in the W. You are not going to get on the floor if you don't have a motor, understand the game and understand defense. Except for the Wings Wink


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I fall into the category of "I like Gabby but..."

Gabby has some very good things going for her, a UConn pedigree, a great motor, good court awareness, solid defense and basketball knowledge. Unfortunately she has two weaknesses that I fear will stop her from being an All Star in the W. The biggest problem is her size. Her skill set is primarily as a front court player, but the WNBA has not been kind to sub 6 foot front courters. At her height I think she will have to play the off guard and to do that and be effective she needs to develop an outside shot. I don't see her as a bust, but I wouldn't use a lottery pick on her. Pick 5-9 seems more appropriate.


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The biggest problem is her size. Her skill set is primarily as a front court player, but the WNBA has not been kind to sub 6 foot front courters.


Hmmm.... this sounds familiar. What's your opinion on Shakayla Thomas as a WNBA prospect?



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The biggest problem is her size. Her skill set is primarily as a front court player, but the WNBA has not been kind to sub 6 foot front courters.


Hmmm.... this sounds familiar. What's your opinion on Shakayla Thomas as a WNBA prospect?


From a size and shooting standpoint I would have even more concern. I only saw her play one game last season and she didn't impress me as a WNBA player, but I haven't seen her this season so I wouldn't want to write her off completely. She has talent, but I can't see her being effective inside. I could see her being chosen in the second round but I don't think she will even make a roster.


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Not many players are All Stars. Teams need players that help them function as a unit, too many AllStars can be a problem. Whoa about Thomas thats going from the most unselfish to the selfish spectrum Wink


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There is a difference between long range shooters and those that stand with their toes on the line and shoot. Look at KML she had trouble adjusting, a lot of her shots were close to the line in college, not talking about the odd 3 talking about majority. The players who shoot out from the line have a better chance in the W.

Regarding players like Williams. How many of these players who some are saying can shoot can play defense and pass the ball and play team ball and be selfless and work their ass off. Takes much more to make it in the W. You are not going to get on the floor if you don't have a motor, understand the game and understand defense. Except for the Wings Wink


You also will not be on the floor if you cant shoot . Except for Stanford Wink



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I fall into the category of "I like Gabby but..."

Gabby has some very good things going for her, a UConn pedigree, a great motor, good court awareness, solid defense and basketball knowledge. Unfortunately she has two weaknesses that I fear will stop her from being an All Star in the W. The biggest problem is her size. Her skill set is primarily as a front court player, but the WNBA has not been kind to sub 6 foot front courters. At her height I think she will have to play the off guard and to do that and be effective she needs to develop an outside shot. I don't see her as a bust, but I wouldn't use a lottery pick on her. Pick 5-9 seems more appropriate.


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I can't wait to see what people are saying next year when 5'7 post player Linnae Harper is taken in the 1st round.
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Nixtreefan wrote:
There is a difference between long range shooters and those that stand with their toes on the line and shoot. Look at KML she had trouble adjusting, a lot of her shots were close to the line in college, not talking about the odd 3 talking about majority. The players who shoot out from the line have a better chance in the W.

Regarding players like Williams. How many of these players who some are saying can shoot can play defense and pass the ball and play team ball and be selfless and work their ass off. Takes much more to make it in the W. You are not going to get on the floor if you don't have a motor, understand the game and understand defense. Except for the Wings Wink


You also will not be on the floor if you cant shoot . Except for Stanford Wink


Good one, good one. I think there are a lot of players on the floor who can't shoot Laughing


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I can't wait to see what people are saying next year when 5'7 post player Linnae Harper is taken in the 1st round.


I'd be surprised if she went first round, but she should get drafted by somebody and see if she can be developed as a PG. (Originally from Chicago)

I don't know why you refer to her as a post player. She's obviously a guard at Ohio State, and even her old Kentucky bio lists her as a guard. Just because she gets a lot of rebounds doesn't mean she is a post player. She gets after it. She has a nose for the ball.

http://m.ukathletics.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=3997



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Nixtreefan wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Nixtreefan wrote:
There is a difference between long range shooters and those that stand with their toes on the line and shoot. Look at KML she had trouble adjusting, a lot of her shots were close to the line in college, not talking about the odd 3 talking about majority. The players who shoot out from the line have a better chance in the W.

Regarding players like Williams. How many of these players who some are saying can shoot can play defense and pass the ball and play team ball and be selfless and work their ass off. Takes much more to make it in the W. You are not going to get on the floor if you don't have a motor, understand the game and understand defense. Except for the Wings Wink


You also will not be on the floor if you cant shoot . Except for Stanford Wink


Good one, good one. I think there are a lot of players on the floor who can't shoot Laughing



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Shades wrote:
#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
I can't wait to see what people are saying next year when 5'7 post player Linnae Harper is taken in the 1st round.


I'd be surprised if she went first round, but she should get drafted by somebody and see if she can be developed as a PG. (Originally from Chicago)

I don't know why you refer to her as a post player. She's obviously a guard at Ohio State, and even her old Kentucky bio lists her as a guard. Just because she gets a lot of rebounds doesn't mean she is a post player. She gets after it. She has a nose for the ball.

http://m.ukathletics.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=3997


she's playing the four for Ohio St this year.
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Thats debatable, I think 4 players are running around thinking I wonder when I will touch the ball. Wink


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#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
Shades wrote:
#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
I can't wait to see what people are saying next year when 5'7 post player Linnae Harper is taken in the 1st round.


I'd be surprised if she went first round, but she should get drafted by somebody and see if she can be developed as a PG. (Originally from Chicago)

I don't know why you refer to her as a post player. She's obviously a guard at Ohio State, and even her old Kentucky bio lists her as a guard. Just because she gets a lot of rebounds doesn't mean she is a post player. She gets after it. She has a nose for the ball.

http://m.ukathletics.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=3997


she's playing the four for Ohio St this year.


Waterman averages 19 mpg, so it looks like they play a 4 guard system about half the time.

When your best players are guards, it may cause a team to utilize a 4 guard system. That's what my team is doing. That doesn't necessarily mean that 4th guard should be permanently labeled a post player.



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#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
I can't wait to see what people are saying next year when 5'7 post player Linnae Harper is taken in the 1st round.


For What It's Worth, Linnae Harper is listed on the Ohio St. website roster as a guard. But more to the point Harper has no position to play in the WNBA except point guard and from what I have seen she does not have those skills. I can see someone taking a flyer on her with a third round pick, but more likely she is an invitee to the Sky camp who goes over to Europe to develop a pro game.


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A lot of people on this board will have their underwear twisted into a complex knot when their favorite player to hate gets drafted in the 2018 lottery. Hopefully on draft day they won't be suffering with diarrhea. Very Happy



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I can't wait to see what people are saying next year when 5'7 post player Linnae Harper is taken in the 1st round.

Isn't harper a redshirt senior?
If Alston was the last pick in the second round in a draft that was top heavy don't see Harper getting drafted any higher.


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I still have G. Williams in the lottery (Gabby might be slightly more reliant on fit than the other lottery players with more clear cut positions, but I think Chicago is one of the best fits for her, and with two picks unless they package them one or both of them in a trade I don't see G. Williams falling past Chicago).

I'm sticking with no early entries for now

so my lottery would be

Wilson
Mitchell
Deshields
G. Williams

for G. Williams (or for that matter Deshields or Mitchell) to fall out of the lottery someone else has to move up, who is moving up to take that lottery spot?

Brown, Russell, Nurse, Canada, someone else?

And why would you pick them over Williams? (Or Deshields or Mitchell)?


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While I'm forever an advocate of 'just take the best damn player and figure the rest out later', especially at the top of a draft, aren't DeShields and Williams ultimately both 3s? Some 2, some 4, but mostly 3. So never mind that they'd be looking for minutes amongst Quigley, Copper, maybe Young, maybe Pondexter - would you really want to spend two consecutive lottery picks on players who'd be keeping each other off the floor? I bet that's really rare if you look back at the history of basketball teams with multiple high picks in the same draft.



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While I'm forever an advocate of 'just take the best damn player and figure the rest out later', especially at the top of a draft, aren't DeShields and Williams ultimately both 3s? Some 2, some 4, but mostly 3. So never mind that they'd be looking for minutes amongst Quigley, Copper, maybe Young, maybe Pondexter - would you really want to spend two consecutive lottery picks on players who'd be keeping each other off the floor? I bet that's really rare if you look back at the history of basketball teams with multiple high picks in the same draft.


that was a list of the top 4 I wasn't really saying it was my order (my mistake), I see Indy taking Deshields and Chicago taking Mitchell and Williams. That does over load Chicago on the perimeter but I wouldn't be too surprised if someone gets traded. But if you've got Sloot/Mitchell and Quigley/Pondexter at the 1 and 2 and Dolson up front I think G. Williams (and Copper) are a very strong compliment for those players at the SF spot where Chicago could really use some athleticism and defense and with enough shooter at the other spots to not be hurt by Williams lack of a 3 ball.

Now if Chicago wants an upgrade at the PF spot they could package a pick and a player to resolve that spot.


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While I'm forever an advocate of 'just take the best damn player and figure the rest out later', especially at the top of a draft, aren't DeShields and Williams ultimately both 3s? Some 2, some 4, but mostly 3. So never mind that they'd be looking for minutes amongst Quigley, Copper, maybe Young, maybe Pondexter - would you really want to spend two consecutive lottery picks on players who'd be keeping each other off the floor? I bet that's really rare if you look back at the history of basketball teams with multiple high picks in the same draft.


that was a list of the top 4 I wasn't really saying it was my order (my mistake), I see Indy taking Deshields and Chicago taking Mitchell and Williams. That does over load Chicago on the perimeter but I wouldn't be too surprised if someone gets traded. But if you've got Sloot/Mitchell and Quigley/Pondexter at the 1 and 2 and Dolson up front I think G. Williams (and Copper) are a very strong compliment for those players at the SF spot where Chicago could really use some athleticism and defense and with enough shooter at the other spots to not be hurt by Williams lack of a 3 ball.

Now if Chicago wants an upgrade at the PF spot they could package a pick and a player to resolve that spot.


I would be all for the wings moving up so they could take Williams or Brown. Not a big need for a player like Billings In Dallas as I’m sure once again whoever they take isn’t going to be a starter over Paris, and if Liz does come back, a post player wouldn’t get many minutes.
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I've been watching Muldrow, WVU for my fantasy team. She's playing the 4, sometimes even the 5 there but can make threes at a goodly % and has good athleticism and movement. At 6'1" am thinking she might play the 3 in the W if she goes to the right team. Late 1st round/early 2nd.



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#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
J-Spoon wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
While I'm forever an advocate of 'just take the best damn player and figure the rest out later', especially at the top of a draft, aren't DeShields and Williams ultimately both 3s? Some 2, some 4, but mostly 3. So never mind that they'd be looking for minutes amongst Quigley, Copper, maybe Young, maybe Pondexter - would you really want to spend two consecutive lottery picks on players who'd be keeping each other off the floor? I bet that's really rare if you look back at the history of basketball teams with multiple high picks in the same draft.


that was a list of the top 4 I wasn't really saying it was my order (my mistake), I see Indy taking Deshields and Chicago taking Mitchell and Williams. That does over load Chicago on the perimeter but I wouldn't be too surprised if someone gets traded. But if you've got Sloot/Mitchell and Quigley/Pondexter at the 1 and 2 and Dolson up front I think G. Williams (and Copper) are a very strong compliment for those players at the SF spot where Chicago could really use some athleticism and defense and with enough shooter at the other spots to not be hurt by Williams lack of a 3 ball.

Now if Chicago wants an upgrade at the PF spot they could package a pick and a player to resolve that spot.


I would be all for the wings moving up so they could take Williams or Brown. Not a big need for a player like Billings In Dallas as I’m sure once again whoever they take isn’t going to be a starter over Paris, and if Liz does come back, a post player wouldn’t get many minutes.


If we draft a post & Liz shows up as expected its most likely Bre lewis or Shaqhator's walking papers . Paris's minutes will decrease also . Our biggest weaknes was pick and roll defense and has been for 2 straight seasons . This because we do not have enough big agile posts that can move their feet like a say "Monique Billings" or "Tierra Mccowan" . 1 of these 2 would be Ideal for our team combined with Camb*tch & Glory we could do alot of damage.



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myrtle wrote:
I've been watching Muldrow, WVU for my fantasy team. She's playing the 4, sometimes even the 5 there but can make threes at a goodly % and has good athleticism and movement. At 6'1" am thinking she might play the 3 in the W if she goes to the right team. Late 1st round/early 2nd.


i watched her last week against Texas a&m, she is GOOD.

another one to start keeping an eye on, Loryn Goodwin.

vs. No. 12 Tennessee: 29-3-5-1
vs. No. 3 Mississippi State: 35-10-3-4
vs. No. 7 UCLA: 27-6-5-3


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myrtle wrote:
I've been watching Muldrow, WVU for my fantasy team. She's playing the 4, sometimes even the 5 there but can make threes at a goodly % and has good athleticism and movement. At 6'1" am thinking she might play the 3 in the W if she goes to the right team. Late 1st round/early 2nd.


i watched her last week against Texas a&m, she is GOOD.

another one to start keeping an eye on, Loryn Goodwin.

vs. No. 12 Tennessee: 29-3-5-1
vs. No. 3 Mississippi State: 35-10-3-4
vs. No. 7 UCLA: 27-6-5-3


She's bounced around nore than Hooper last year.

Started out at Temple High School.
Finished at Cypress Falls High School (is that one of those star-maker high schools?)
North Texas (2012-13) - Sun Belt Freshman of the Year. Second in nation among freshmen with 82 steals.
2013-2014 - Sat out to transfer (Too good for UNT?)
Butler (2014-15) - All-Big East honorable mention
2015-2016 - Sat out to transfer (missed home?)
UTSA (2016-2017) - Conference USA’s Newcomer of the Year. Also tabbed as a first-team all-conference pick and all-academic selection.
OK ST (2017-2018) - Grad school transfer... don't need to sit out.

She's 23 now, she'll be 24 before the draft.
Her cousin is Marquise Goodwin, plays WR for the San Francisco 49ers.



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LibFan25 wrote:
myrtle wrote:
I've been watching Muldrow, WVU for my fantasy team. She's playing the 4, sometimes even the 5 there but can make threes at a goodly % and has good athleticism and movement. At 6'1" am thinking she might play the 3 in the W if she goes to the right team. Late 1st round/early 2nd.


i watched her last week against Texas a&m, she is GOOD.

another one to start keeping an eye on, Loryn Goodwin.

vs. No. 12 Tennessee: 29-3-5-1
vs. No. 3 Mississippi State: 35-10-3-4
vs. No. 7 UCLA: 27-6-5-3


Interesting, Goodwin is a 6th year senior who has been on four different teams. Shocked There must be an interesting story behind that. Too lazy to look it up right now. Smile Edit: I guess while I was typing, Shades looked it up.

I mentioned Muldrow a couple of times over the summer. I actually liked her better last season because she played more on the perimeter, so I was optimistic about her making the transition from 4 to 3. The one time I've seen her this season, she was playing 5 and almost exclusively hanging around under the basket. That scares me. They're turning her into Nia Coffey, which pumps up her college numbers but hurts her pro potential.



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LibFan25 wrote:
myrtle wrote:
I've been watching Muldrow, WVU for my fantasy team. She's playing the 4, sometimes even the 5 there but can make threes at a goodly % and has good athleticism and movement. At 6'1" am thinking she might play the 3 in the W if she goes to the right team. Late 1st round/early 2nd.


i watched her last week against Texas a&m, she is GOOD.

another one to start keeping an eye on, Loryn Goodwin.

vs. No. 12 Tennessee: 29-3-5-1
vs. No. 3 Mississippi State: 35-10-3-4
vs. No. 7 UCLA: 27-6-5-3


She's bounced around nore than Hooper last year.

Started out at Temple High School.
Finished at Cypress Falls High School (is that one of those star-maker high schools?)
North Texas (2012-13) - Sun Belt Freshman of the Year. Second in nation among freshmen with 82 steals.
2013-2014 - Sat out to transfer (Too good for UNT?)
Butler (2014-15) - All-Big East honorable mention
2015-2016 - Sat out to transfer (missed home?)
UTSA (2016-2017) - Conference USA’s Newcomer of the Year. Also tabbed as a first-team all-conference pick and all-academic selection.
OK ST (2017-2018) - Grad school transfer... don't need to sit out.

She's 23 now, she'll be 24 before the draft.
Her cousin is Marquise Goodwin, plays WR for the San Francisco 49ers.


here's a video clip on twitter were she shares her journey
https://twitter.com/OSUWBB/status/930451570625355778


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LibFan25 wrote:
myrtle wrote:
I've been watching Muldrow, WVU for my fantasy team. She's playing the 4, sometimes even the 5 there but can make threes at a goodly % and has good athleticism and movement. At 6'1" am thinking she might play the 3 in the W if she goes to the right team. Late 1st round/early 2nd.


i watched her last week against Texas a&m, she is GOOD.

another one to start keeping an eye on, Loryn Goodwin.

vs. No. 12 Tennessee: 29-3-5-1
vs. No. 3 Mississippi State: 35-10-3-4
vs. No. 7 UCLA: 27-6-5-3


Interesting, Goodwin is a 6th year senior who has been on four different teams. Shocked There must be an interesting story behind that. Too lazy to look it up right now. Smile Edit: I guess while I was typing, Shades looked it up.

I mentioned Muldrow a couple of times over the summer. I actually liked her better last season because she played more on the perimeter, so I was optimistic about her making the transition from 4 to 3. The one time I've seen her this season, she was playing 5 and almost exclusively hanging around under the basket. That scares me.[b] They're turning her into Nia Coffey, which pumps up her college numbers but hurts her pro potential.


this was is my first watching Muldrow's game and i really like her. i gotta see more of her, the thing is WVU is missing one of their best players also due to injury Tynice Martin, the BIG 12 is gonna be a battle with Texas, Baylor, and Oklahoma st.


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here's a video clip on twitter were she shares her journey
https://twitter.com/OSUWBB/status/930451570625355778


Victim of circumstance in her first two transfers and I guess going as a grad transfer was that she still had eligibility left. Seemed like a very bright and articulate person, think she will do well in life whether in basketball or elsewhere.



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Outside the usual suspect Top 4 of Wilson, Mitchell, DeShields, and GWill....
At the moment, I have 8 first rounders with (in no particular order)

Russell
Nared
LBrown
Canada
Billings
Vivians
Nurse
And probably Vadeeva (especially if she shows a strong interest in playing right away)

People will be chirping about SThomas, Mavunga, Scaife, Greenwell, Atkins, and now Muldrow as having first round potential. Question is who are you dropping from the eight I have to make room for one or more of these chirpers?



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LibFan25 wrote:

here's a video clip on twitter were she shares her journey
https://twitter.com/OSUWBB/status/930451570625355778


Nice video that clears up a few things. People are going to wonder about 4 schools in 4 years. It also re-enrages me about the Shepard case with her not having to sit. Goodwin made the decision to transfer to Butler, and right before she's eligible to play for them, the coaching staff gets fired. She decides to give them a shot anyway and it turned out not to her liking, but she ends up having to sit again to transfer. Just not equitable.



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I saw a tiered breakdown of the 2018 class that had 19 players in the top group. It could be a good year to have top-end second round picks (although some of the depth is going to depend on whether players decide to declare).



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Randy wrote:
LibFan25 wrote:


here's a video clip on twitter were she shares her journey
https://twitter.com/OSUWBB/status/930451570625355778


Victim of circumstance in her first two transfers and I guess going as a grad transfer was that she still had eligibility left. Seemed like a very bright and articulate person, think she will do well in life whether in basketball or elsewhere.


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LibFan25 wrote:


another one to start keeping an eye on, Loryn Goodwin.
vs. No. 12 Tennessee: 29-3-5-1
vs. No. 3 Mississippi State: 35-10-3-4
vs. No. 7 UCLA: 27-6-5-3


Check this out
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I guess it's 2019, but Li Yueru is suddenly becoming the mystery prospect of the year. I guess we will be watching her closely at the World Championship. I think by the time that draft rolls around, we will probably have know more about Melisa Brcaninovic, who is the current mystery prospect of that year.

Back to 2018, I wonder if anyone will take a player who left college a while ago since we have DeShields leaving a year before the draft. Laura Quevedo was a Spanish Olympian after all.
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I guess it's 2019, but Li Yueru is suddenly becoming the mystery prospect of the year. I guess we will be watching her closely at the World Championship.

If I've seen her play I don't remember it, but it's reminiscent of Vadeeva with the way China have thrown her right in to their full national team at a very young age and she's piled up numbers as the leading scorer/rebounder. It'd be great to see players like her and Ji Su Park in the WNBA, but I'm still not expecting them to go that high in the draft. There's just no history of seeing those kinds of players show up in the US, certainly not on a consistent year-by-year basis. For similar reasons I'm still not convinced that we'll see Vadeeva until mid-2nd round, either.

Quevedo might go at some point, like Tchatchouang did, but I don't see anyone being too eager there.



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For similar reasons I'm still not convinced that we'll see Vadeeva until mid-2nd round, either.


That's curious. I thought maybe you had something to do with the current Vadeeva hysteria. Voepel was talking like she was a possible lottery pick, and now draftsite.com has her as the #2 pick. Where's this coming from?


Here she is from a game in November, playing with McCoughtry and Nneka O.(Good Sparks pick?)
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She's team mate with Angel and Prince. Maybe if she is still around at 16 Dream should draft her. (Assuming NY doesn't pick her up in the first round.)



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She's team mate with Angel and Prince. Maybe if she is still around at 16 Dream should draft her. (Assuming NY doesn't pick her up in the first round.)


You forgot about Nneka, right after I just told you..

Even if Vadeeva were to go that low, I'm not sure Sienko & Colleen are the team to lure her over. Maybe Angel could lure her over with some ice cream.

The Sparks seem like the most likely landing place (if Thibault isn't interested)
1. Agler is enthusiastic about foreign players.
2. Agler is enthusiastic about rookies who already have pro experience.
3. She currently plays with Nneka, who could act as a concierge.
4. The Sparks don't really have any pressing needs.

Would Putin be a factor? Does he want or care if Vadeeva comes to America? He seems to muddle in everything.



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Agler loves foreign players - they make great cheerleaders from his bench. Putin would never go for the best prospect in Russia sitting on the bench in LA. You might be onto something with Angel's ice cream.



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I keep hearing about Angels ice cream and I must admit I really want to try some.


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I keep hearing about Angels ice cream and I must admit I really want to try some.


It's within walking distance of Philips Arena



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The sky could gamble and take Vadeeva in the lottery, richyyy did point out that Diamond and Gabby are both pretty much small forwards, and they already have Cooper, maybe they take one and not the other.
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