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Final Career Points for Kelsey Mitchell
<3000
18%
 18%  [ 3 ]
3000-3283
0%
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3284-3393
12%
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3394-3527
43%
 43%  [ 7 ]
3528-3649
18%
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3650-3667
0%
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3668+
6%
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PostPosted: 10/21/17 4:12 pm    ::: How Many Points Will Kelsey Mitchell Score in Her Career? Reply Reply with quote

After the tracking madness of last season, it is time to do it again. I have compiled a points table so that nobody needs to do any calculations. Averages are what is needed to surpass that person's mark. 40 games would be extremely unlikely because they would need to not have a conference tournament bye.

This is a two week poll. Poll options are for the marks reached by the players listed in the table.

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PostPosted: 10/21/17 4:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Kelsey + Kelsey= They Break Records

Video of them at USA basketball camp. Mitchell seems super humble about all the attention. Plum is hamming it up.


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PostPosted: 10/21/17 5:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

She's played 35, 34, and 35 games so far in her career.
2553 career points so far at an average of 24.5 ppg

If she has an average year: 35 * 24.5 = 857.5
2553 + 858 = 3411

Is she going for the record or working on improving her team game?



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PostPosted: 10/23/17 11:29 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think she will break it. Why not. Ohio St hasn't shown via their coach that they have discipline, is that Kelsey's fault.


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PostPosted: 10/25/17 9:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Woodard and Maravich did it the hard way without the threes. I’d love to see this comparison by field goals made.


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PostPosted: 10/26/17 6:23 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Does the team want to be competitive enough with balance, focus and defensive intensity and play at home in the Final Four or do they want their star player to break an individual scoring record? 🤷‍♀️


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PRballer wrote:
Does the team want to be competitive enough with balance, focus and defensive intensity and play at home in the Final Four or do they want their star player to break an individual scoring record? 🤷‍♀️


I think Kelsey has to score a lot for her team to be successful. Granted, she doesn't need to be a volume shooter. But I don't think Ohio State has enough scorers to be elite without Mitchell averaging 22-24ppg. I think her scoring should come within more of a flow of the offense, but her talent is off the charts and to me, she should be scoring that much.

So, Ohio State needs discipline on offense, less dribbling by Mitchell and some sort of commitment to defense. Easy as that. Boom. Ohio State is fixed. Next.....


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PostPosted: 10/26/17 12:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

mzonefan wrote:
Woodard and Maravich did it the hard way without the threes. I’d love to see this comparison by field goals made.


Maravich also played during a time when freshmen couldn't play, so he only had three years.


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PostPosted: 10/26/17 1:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
mzonefan wrote:
Woodard and Maravich did it the hard way without the threes. I’d love to see this comparison by field goals made.


Maravich also played during a time when freshmen couldn't play, so he only had three years.


Whoah. Amazing!


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ArtBest23 wrote:
mzonefan wrote:
Woodard and Maravich did it the hard way without the threes. I’d love to see this comparison by field goals made.


Maravich also played during a time when freshmen couldn't play, so he only had three years.


He also did it without a shot clock



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PostPosted: 10/27/17 1:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
mzonefan wrote:
Woodard and Maravich did it the hard way without the threes. I’d love to see this comparison by field goals made.


Maravich also played during a time when freshmen couldn't play, so he only had three years.


He also did it without a shot clock


Maravich also played for his father, Press......Press was a somewhat capable coach, but he began to envision having a system that evolved around his son back before Pete was in high school, and it only grew into an obsession as Pete got older, and got better.

Press struggled to find a college willing to hire him because he openly declared that whatever program he took over, it will involve his son, and it would be designed around his son. All other players would work into this system, where they handed the ball to Pete and got out of his way. There were several schools that scoffed at this before LSU chose to give it a try.

Pistol Maravich has the college records in career points scored and points scored per game. They may be overtaken by a player that plays a full four years, but even that would be a stretch.

What most don't talk about, is that Pistol also owns the all-time college career records in shot attempts. That's even MORE of an unattainable record, even WITH players playing a full 4 seasons. Maravich completed around 44-45% of his shot attempts, which was decent at best. But he took such HUGE plethoras of shot attempts every game he played for his father at LSU. Because it was how his father wanted it.

LSU never made the NCAAT during Maravich's career there, because Press' system wasn't designed for that kind of success. They struggled to even have winning seasons, much less win 20 games a season. Today, no head coach would be allowed to throw away seasons designing a system around one player, much less his own son, because no other players would agree to play in that system. Pass the ball to Pete, block out for Pete, rebound the ball and hand it back to Pete.

Pete Maravich was a very talented player....he went on to the NBA and had many seasons playing with other professional players on several teams, where he averaged 20+ PPG in multiple seasons. He was a quality 20-25 PPG type player in the NBA - when he was healthy of body and mind - which is still All-Star caliber. But the days of averaging 40-45 PPG like at LSU were long gone, unless he was able to get his dad to coach his team for him. That was never going to happen in the NBA.....


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PostPosted: 10/28/17 12:17 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Conway Gamecock wrote:
pilight wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
mzonefan wrote:
Woodard and Maravich did it the hard way without the threes. I’d love to see this comparison by field goals made.


Maravich also played during a time when freshmen couldn't play, so he only had three years.


He also did it without a shot clock


Maravich also played for his father, Press......Press was a somewhat capable coach, but he began to envision having a system that evolved around his son back before Pete was in high school, and it only grew into an obsession as Pete got older, and got better.

Press struggled to find a college willing to hire him because he openly declared that whatever program he took over, it will involve his son, and it would be designed around his son. All other players would work into this system, where they handed the ball to Pete and got out of his way. There were several schools that scoffed at this before LSU chose to give it a try.

Pistol Maravich has the college records in career points scored and points scored per game. They may be overtaken by a player that plays a full four years, but even that would be a stretch.

What most don't talk about, is that Pistol also owns the all-time college career records in shot attempts. That's even MORE of an unattainable record, even WITH players playing a full 4 seasons. Maravich completed around 44-45% of his shot attempts, which was decent at best. But he took such HUGE plethoras of shot attempts every game he played for his father at LSU. Because it was how his father wanted it.

LSU never made the NCAAT during Maravich's career there, because Press' system wasn't designed for that kind of success. They struggled to even have winning seasons, much less win 20 games a season. Today, no head coach would be allowed to throw away seasons designing a system around one player, much less his own son, because no other players would agree to play in that system. Pass the ball to Pete, block out for Pete, rebound the ball and hand it back to Pete.

Pete Maravich was a very talented player....he went on to the NBA and had many seasons playing with other professional players on several teams, where he averaged 20+ PPG in multiple seasons. He was a quality 20-25 PPG type player in the NBA - when he was healthy of body and mind - which is still All-Star caliber. But the days of averaging 40-45 PPG like at LSU were long gone, unless he was able to get his dad to coach his team for him. That was never going to happen in the NBA.....


The NCAA's only had at most 25 teams in the tournament. In addition, only one team from a conference could get in. So it wasn't the coach's style that was the big reason Pete never made it, it was the format of the tournament.


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PostPosted: 10/28/17 12:17 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Conway Gamecock wrote:
pilight wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
mzonefan wrote:
Woodard and Maravich did it the hard way without the threes. I’d love to see this comparison by field goals made.


Maravich also played during a time when freshmen couldn't play, so he only had three years.


He also did it without a shot clock


Maravich also played for his father, Press......Press was a somewhat capable coach, but he began to envision having a system that evolved around his son back before Pete was in high school, and it only grew into an obsession as Pete got older, and got better.

Press struggled to find a college willing to hire him because he openly declared that whatever program he took over, it will involve his son, and it would be designed around his son. All other players would work into this system, where they handed the ball to Pete and got out of his way. There were several schools that scoffed at this before LSU chose to give it a try.

Pistol Maravich has the college records in career points scored and points scored per game. They may be overtaken by a player that plays a full four years, but even that would be a stretch.

What most don't talk about, is that Pistol also owns the all-time college career records in shot attempts. That's even MORE of an unattainable record, even WITH players playing a full 4 seasons. Maravich completed around 44-45% of his shot attempts, which was decent at best. But he took such HUGE plethoras of shot attempts every game he played for his father at LSU. Because it was how his father wanted it.

LSU never made the NCAAT during Maravich's career there, because Press' system wasn't designed for that kind of success. They struggled to even have winning seasons, much less win 20 games a season. Today, no head coach would be allowed to throw away seasons designing a system around one player, much less his own son, because no other players would agree to play in that system. Pass the ball to Pete, block out for Pete, rebound the ball and hand it back to Pete.

Pete Maravich was a very talented player....he went on to the NBA and had many seasons playing with other professional players on several teams, where he averaged 20+ PPG in multiple seasons. He was a quality 20-25 PPG type player in the NBA - when he was healthy of body and mind - which is still All-Star caliber. But the days of averaging 40-45 PPG like at LSU were long gone, unless he was able to get his dad to coach his team for him. That was never going to happen in the NBA.....


The NCAA's only had at most 25 teams in the tournament. In addition, only one team from a conference could get in. So it wasn't the coach's style that was the big reason Pete never made it, it was the format of the tournament.


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PostPosted: 10/31/17 12:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

linkster wrote:


The NCAA's only had at most 25 teams in the tournament. In addition, only one team from a conference could get in. So it wasn't the coach's style that was the big reason Pete never made it, it was the format of the tournament.


Thank you for injecting a dose of reality.

On top of that, we're talking about the SEC which was completely dominated by Adolph Rupp's KY teams, which was the SEC's sole tourney representative for 19 of 25 years, including every year Pete was at LSU.

Maravich was surrounded by mediocre teammates, but still, the Maravich's turned an LSU program that had had one winning season in the previous dozen, into a 22-10 NIT Final Four team (at a time when the NIT was filled with teams who would all be in the tournament today).

In addition to his prodigious scoring, no less an authority than John Havlicek called Pete "the best ball handler of all time" in an interview in 2010.

His passing was epic. It was routine to see him make an incredible no look one handed pass through traffic, only to see it bounce off a teammate who wasn't looking for it. Even so, he averaged 6.2 apg as a senior.


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PostPosted: 10/31/17 7:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The Pistol played before the three-point era. It has been reported that Dale Brown, the LSU coach after Press Maravich, charted all the jump shots of Pete Maravich's college career, and calculated that he would have averaged 13 three-point makes per game with a 19-9 three-point line. If so, he would have averaged 57 ppg for his career.

The claim is repeated by Bill Walton in this video:

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/zk-JJX2SRHc" frameborder="0" gesture="media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I ran into Pete Maravich at the Pirates' House restaurant in Savannah, Georgia, in the early '70's.
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PostPosted: 11/10/17 8:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

After Game 1:

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PostPosted: 11/12/17 7:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Trying to get more opportunities to score by missing a free throw seems like cheating.

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And Pete Maravich did all this with a defective heart that usually kills people by the time the are twenty. He had no left coronary artery. He basically was working with half a functioning heart. It finally did kill him at the age of forty during a pick up game long after he had retired.

As to his career in the NBA he was way ahead of his time and his teammates basically froze him out of the offense. They also resented the money he was making. His style of play was not being played by teams in the NBA at that time. He as also one of the best ball handlers and passers ever. All that did not sit well with how conservative the league was at that time.


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<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/h7zf5xR9AIk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


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After Game 3:
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Bumping that average back up:
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PostPosted: 11/19/17 4:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Washington not really helping to keep the record in house.

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PostPosted: 11/23/17 8:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'm going off livestats here, so if the official ones have her at anything other than 20 points, let me know.

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Pushing that average back up:
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In the middle of the game, I was going to post that it was hard to beat Tara twice, but I guess not:
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That was game #8, right? I figured OSU would be playing 35 games this season. So I take 35-8 and read down the chart and she still needs 27.9 ppg to break Plum's record? Confused



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Shades wrote:
That was game #8, right? I figured OSU would be playing 35 games this season. So I take 35-8 and read down the chart and she still needs 27.9 ppm to break Plum's record? Confused

Lol you don't think OSU will get past the second round? This isn't Jim Foster coaching, hello!


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Shades wrote:
That was game #8, right? I figured OSU would be playing 35 games this season. So I take 35-8 and read down the chart and she still needs 27.9 ppm to break Plum's record? Confused


Yes, for now, the maximum number of games is 40, although realistically that should be 39 because it would be unusual for Ohio State to be that bad in conference.

Assuming making it to the B1G final, 35 games would mean a loss in the second round as SDHoops mentioned.
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SDHoops wrote:
Shades wrote:
That was game #8, right? I figured OSU would be playing 35 games this season. So I take 35-8 and read down the chart and she still needs 27.9 ppm to break Plum's record? Confused

Lol you don't think OSU will get past the second round? This isn't Jim Foster coaching, hello!


Like I said in an earlier post, she's averaged 35 games a season under McGuff, so that would be an astute estimate. It's looking good for OSU so far this year, but I'm not ready to assume they'll play more than 35 games.



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Awhom, since it looks like you're going to post a chart for every game, could I request a few little extras with each post?

Game# (like you started out doing), pts in that game, career total pts



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Shades wrote:
Awhom, since it looks like you're going to post a chart for every game, could I request a few little extras with each post?

Game# (like you started out doing), pts in that game, career total pts



snd maybe people she's passing. I know she is closing in on Jantel Lavender.


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Shades wrote:
Awhom, since it looks like you're going to post a chart for every game, could I request a few little extras with each post?

Game# (like you started out doing), pts in that game, career total pts


Here is the whole file with all the guts:



The right-most number on the first row is her current career total.

The next row is the number of points need to either reach 3000 or surpass the total of the player listed. The third row is the number of points total for that mark. The last column is where I am entering her game by game totals.
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All I do these days is make sure the pro leagues that our alums have played in are correctly listed in the media guide so I get no blame or credit for how many points she did or did not score:

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Crossed 2800, but dropped the average:
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Moving in the right direction again:
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Agree with Glenn again and Will, probably better to leave Pistol out of this. Anyone watch last nights game? It struck me when Mitchell went down, acting like she was hurt, then suddenly after her team finished defending she got up and zipped down to the basket. Didn’t someone else on this board point that out about her 👀

For me, the sad thing is, that nothing is being done about her weaknesses. She doesn’t play defense, in fact she rests on defense. The whole team and I use that word loosely, looks for their own, when they touch the ball that is, which is not often as it is usually in Mitchell’s hands.

Such records become just meaningless in terms of how players will perform at the next level as all they show is stats being racked up in a non team environment.


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bballjunkie wrote:
Agree with Glenn again and Will, probably better to leave Pistol out of this. Anyone watch last nights game? It struck me when Mitchell went down, acting like she was hurt, then suddenly after her team finished defending she got up and zipped down to the basket. Didn’t someone else on this board point that out about her 👀

For me, the sad thing is, that nothing is being done about her weaknesses. She doesn’t play defense, in fact she rests on defense. The whole team and I use that word loosely, looks for their own, when they touch the ball that is, which is not often as it is usually in Mitchell’s hands.

Such records become just meaningless in terms of how players will perform at the next level as all they show is stats being racked up in a non team environment.
i

I believe someone posted a picture of Mitchell crumpled to the floor during the Duke game coincidentally while Duke had the ball. It was remarked that this is a serial occurrence with her.



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Yep same ole same ole.


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Sure hasn't hurt Tiffany Hayes' career any.


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PostPosted: 12/07/17 2:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Wait a sec, that is the strangest post. You mean Hayes who plays defense and is a great hustle to player! Bad comparison.


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bballjunkie wrote:
Wait a sec, that is the strangest post. You mean Hayes who plays defense and is a great hustle to player! Bad comparison.



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PostPosted: 12/07/17 3:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Yeah but it s hard to compare someone to another when every other facet of their game is different 😂


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bballjunkie wrote:
Yeah but it s hard to compare someone to another when every other facet of their game is different 😂


Actually having watched Tiffany Hayes at UConn for her entire career, the comparison is remarkably similar except for the fact that Mitchell is more consistent offensively.

Just because you don't like Mitchell doesn't mean that she can't ball.

Did you ever hear of the three second rule Geno implemented for Hayes?


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Not sure of your point. Are you saying I don’t like her as a person, Do you think I do not like her hair, the way she treats people? Last time I checked my comments were about basketball. Like is also a strange word to use. Do I think she is a well balanced basket ball player - NO, not at all. Do Ithink she would be breaking records in a program that played team basket- NO. Nothing to do with whether I like her or not.


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bballjunkie wrote:
Not sure of your point. Are you saying I don’t like her as a person, Do you think I do not like her hair, the way she treats people? Last time I checked my comments were about basketball. Like is also a strange word to use. Do I think she is a well balanced basket ball player - NO, not at all. Do Ithink she would be breaking records in a program that played team basket- NO. Nothing to do with whether I like her or not.


Is the current record holder or previous one known for team basketball? Kinda goes with the territory of this record.



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Agreed

It’ s A choice. What do you want, to improve all aspects of your game or go to a program where you won’t be challenged as much but you have a chance to break a record. It’s my personal opinion on preferring the former which is why I don’t particularly think much of this type of record.


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Wow, when it was Plum, she could walk on water, breaking the record was the best thing ever. Now that a sista could do it, it's a selfish thing, it's hurting the team, etc...at least be consistent and subtle about your double standards..


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PostPosted: 12/08/17 12:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Not for me. I thought exactly the same as I do now. In fact the games I watched with WA they never played anything but zone and they sat Plum in the corner to rest on defense.


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PostPosted: 12/15/17 9:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Back to just the numbers:


I added a cell for her current season average.
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She is now 57 points to break the Big Ten Record, while she passed Janet Lavender last week to become the OSU career leader.


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