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 Posted: 10/19/17 11:55 am ::: Bigotry and white supremacy are 'blasphemy' |
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/19/politics/bush-freedom-event/index.html
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| "Our identity as a nation, unlike other nations, is not determined by geography or ethnicity, by soil or blood. ... This means that people from every race, religion, ethnicity can be full and equally American," he said during remarks at the George W. Bush Institute in New York City. "It means that bigotry and white supremacy, in any form, is blasphemy against the American creed." |
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| Posted: 10/19/17 12:14 pm ::: |
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| Yeah, but while everyone is focused on a relative handful of auto mechanics and welders in Virginia and other places, the affluent white people of this country benefit in innumerable ways from having long ago formed homeowner associations that block African Americans from buying into their neighborhoods, cutting them off from the number one pathway to building wealth in this country, home ownership where property values historically go up. That’s real white supremacy.
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| Posted: 10/19/17 1:45 pm ::: |
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| Yeah, but while everyone is focused on a relative handful of auto mechanics and welders in Virginia and other places, the affluent white people of this country benefit in innumerable ways from having long ago formed homeowner associations that block African Americans from buying into their neighborhoods, cutting them off from the number one pathway to building wealth in this country, home ownership where property values historically go up. That’s real white supremacy. |
For someone who bristles at the term "white privilege", you just did an excellent job describing one aspect of it. And there are many, many, more.
So I agree 100% with you. Just like it is easier to go after the most vile of the sexual harassers in the world rather than take stock of our own lives and the actions we consider "normal behavior", it is easier to go after the blatantly racist fellow than it is to examine all the advantages that being a member of the dominate culture affords us. And doubly so if we are an affluent member of that culture, since money also brings another form of privilege.
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| Posted: 10/19/17 2:59 pm ::: |
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I haven't quite figured out how homeowners associations supposedly block anyone from buying a house.
About the only people they "block" are people trying to paint their own house or cut down a tree or put up a satellite dish.
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| Posted: 10/19/17 3:09 pm ::: |
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I haven't quite figured out how homeowners associations supposedly block anyone from buying a house.
About the only people they "block" are people trying to paint their own house or cut down a tree or put up a satellite dish. |
Racially restrictive covenants are commonplace. They're not enforceable under the law, but some HOA's will make every effort to uphold them.
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| Posted: 10/19/17 3:23 pm ::: |
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I haven't quite figured out how homeowners associations supposedly block anyone from buying a house.
About the only people they "block" are people trying to paint their own house or cut down a tree or put up a satellite dish. |
Racially restrictive covenants are commonplace. They're not enforceable under the law, but some HOA's will make every effort to uphold them. |
They"'ve been meaningless for decades. How does anyone try to uphold them?
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| Posted: 10/19/17 3:27 pm ::: |
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Karl Rove evidently tried to tell Fox News viewers this afternoon that Bush's speech wasn't at all about Trump.
Yeah, Karl, that must be it. I bet Bush was actually talking about Strom Thurmond.
( I didn't see exactly what Rove said; just read about it.)
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Well, there is segregation on a macro level, which has led to inequality:
Smithsonian Magazine: The Racial Segregation of American Cities Was Anything But Accidental
And micro-segregation even within diverse neighborhoods: The Invisible Segregation of Diverse Neighborhoods
And this excellent article from the New York Times:
Affluent and Black, and Still Trapped by Segregation:
Why well-off black families end up living in poorer areas
than white families with similar or even lower incomes.
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It is a national phenomenon challenging the popular assumption that segregation is more about class than about race, that when black families earn more money, some ideal of post-racial integration will inevitably be reached.
In fact, a New York Times analysis of 2014 census figures shows that income alone cannot explain, nor would it likely end, the segregation that has defined American cities and suburbs for generations.
The choices that black families make today are inevitably constrained by a legacy of racism that prevented their ancestors from buying quality housing and then passing down wealth that might have allowed today’s generation to move into more stable communities. And even when black households try to cross color boundaries, they are not always met with open arms: Studies have shown that white people prefer to live in communities where there are fewer black people, regardless of their income. |
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I wasn't suggesting for a moment that there isn't segregation. There obviously is.
I was just questioning the notion that homeowner association rules had much of anything to do with it.
Study after study after study has documented that most Americans simply don't have close friends across racial lines. And I mean most. The numbers are overwhelming. I've read all kinds of explanations and theories, but none that are very compelling, for why that is. We all tend to have lots more acquaintances and co-workers and other people we know and interact with of other races, but most Americans just don't have any close friends and confidants of other races. And it hasn't changed much over time, except that most people today have even fewer close friends in total than people did, say, fifty years ago, which makes it even less likely that any of them are of other races. That's what every study I've read has consistently found.
Given that reality, it doesn't surprise me much that we also choose to segregate ourselves in our housing choices; that we choose neighborhoods where we hope to feel comfortable and welcome.
We're not a post-racial society. We may have broken down many legal and structural barriers, but race is very much a principle driving force in this country and frankly everywhere else I've ever traveled. Indeed, race, language, ethnicity, national origin, religion are huge dividers among people basically everywhere on earth. Here in the US, race tends today to be the predominant issue, although language is growing as a factor and religion seems to be making a comeback.
I'm not defending it. But why, in the face of that reality, is anyone surprised housing choices are influenced by those factors as well?
Heck, look at the risk of a Europe fracturing along ethnic lines as reflected in the Catalan and Basque separatist movements. These people don't even want to live in the same country with one another, not just on the same block.
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| Posted: 10/19/17 6:55 pm ::: |
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Study after study after study has documented that most Americans simply don't have close friends across racial lines. And I mean most. The numbers are overwhelming.
We're not a post-racial society. We may have broken down many legal and structural barriers, but race is very much a principle driving force in this country and frankly everywhere else I've ever traveled. |
I call this "racialism" to distinguish it from "racism", which connotes illegal discrimination or harm. Racialism is one form of tribalism -- along with family, ethnic group, language, religion, political party, and sports team fandom -- which I believe is encoded in human nature. It's always been prevalent everywhere and will continue to be.
To me, there is less racism in this country than 60 years ago, and certainly every major legal protection against it has been erected, including the controversial practice of affirmative action. However, I believe racialism was much more tolerated and accepted 60 years ago with cultural respect. In NYC, where I grew up, it was normal and accepted that many or most Jews, Irish, blacks, Italians, Germans, Puerto Ricans, etc., all immigrated to and stayed mostly within their own neighborhoods. Every tribal group wanted it that way.
I don't think Bush's speech was just about Trump or white supremacists. His language was broad enough to condemn left wing intolerance and bigotry as well as media-fueled conspiracy theories. |
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| Posted: 10/20/17 2:46 am ::: |
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For someone who bristles at the term "white privilege", you just did an excellent job describing one aspect of it. And there are many, many, more. |
Thanks. I don't bristle at the term 'white privilege' I bristle at it being used by affluent white liberals. I, right now, have close relatives who eat at soup kitchens and live in squalor. I have other close relatives who have a go-fund me page to help them keep their lights and heat on in their trailer. I bristle at affluent college educated white liberals using this term because I live in a place that is LOADED to the coastline with affluent white liberals who themselves have benefited from parents and grandparents who kept the black folks out of the now multi-million dollar neighborhoods.
And I LOVE to point out that therein lies an overarching societal system of white privilege and yes, white supremacy, that impacts this entire country and the aspirations of both blacks and lower class whites.
The kind of shit that prevents anyone from the BLACK side of my family, which now outnumbers the white side by ten-to-one, from ever having much of a shot at coming to a place like LA and getting an apartment and being able to make it here on nothing more than a shitty high-school education. All because it's fucking HARD for a black person even in 2017 to rent an apartment on the Westside of LA. And if you don't have college under your belt and that kind of polish, you're going to have a very hard time in this place. But the white liberals who grew up in these enclaves? They're doing just fine and would be more than happy I’m sure to point my black relatives in the direction of the hood.
As far as different aspects of white privilege. You know, when it comes to these white supremacists like we see rallying in Virginia and elsewhere, I go with the Red Pill Black chick, who is black, and Oprah, who is also black.
Red Pill Black girl said something like this. In 2017, you want me to worry about the Klan? lol. And she summed it up with this very incisive perspective on the media and the elites who own and operate it. She said, talking directly to other black people, They want us riled up and acting like savages. Damaging property and getting arrested and ensuring that we will never get into any of the good colleges and universities where we could actually get somewhere in life. etc.
And Oprah, as I've pointed out here recently, had a White Supremacist Week I think going and then one day in the middle of a taping she sat back and said, OMG, I'm not exposing them to sunlight the best disinfectant, I'm PUBLICIZING them. Spreading their message!
Look, even lawyers don't understand this home owners association stuff. They're like, Racism. Hmm. Is that in the charter? 
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| Posted: 10/21/17 3:14 pm ::: |
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Karl Rove evidently tried to tell Fox News viewers this afternoon that Bush's speech wasn't at all about Trump.
Yeah, Karl, that must be it. I bet Bush was actually talking about Strom Thurmond.
( I didn't see exactly what Rove said; just read about it.) |
Rove and Darth Cheney were exactly what/whom I first thought of when Bush spouted his (otherwise) intelligent speech. His sentiments are a bit duplicitous, in light of how much of a role those 2 idiots played in polarizing our nation almost 2 decades ago.
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