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PostPosted: 10/11/17 11:20 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Watching DD play is the same as watching dazzling fireworks performance at a fourth of July celebration. It beautiful for a few seconds and then the show is over. Laughing
A basketball season is a lot longer than a few seconds.



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PostPosted: 10/11/17 12:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

If She Wins ROY im sure this entire board will be pro-diamond afterwards with a hint of negativity as usual . She reminds me of a Mini-Lori Ann and how people viewed her for so long upon her first few years in the league.



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PostPosted: 10/11/17 12:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
Depending on your point of view, that's just another sign of the arrogance of USA Basketball, or issues with DeShields' attitude and ability to work within a team structure.


I'm not the live all and die all person when it comes to USAB, but that was nicely put. It's not always the most talented players who are a part of USAB, but the ones who work well in a team setting. I'm not sure how Brunson got left out of the fray and Delle Donne is in there, but....

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It could be that the professional setting will be perfect for DeShields; it also could be that she will never take full advantage of her talent.


Looks like you have all the bases covered but you're leaning towards thumbs down.



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PostPosted: 10/11/17 1:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Why are folks predicting McGowan will come out early? Has something been published in the media?


If you haven't figured out how to spell her name, you probably haven't been keeping up on her. I don't believe they're predicting that she'll come out early. They're just showing that she is eligible to come out early and predicting whereabouts she'd rank if she should come out early.

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She might be a crazy good talent but think the more time to develop in Starkville, the better.


That's probably what will happen, but who knows what she wants. I'm sure Schaefer doesn't want her to leave early. This will be her first year as a full time starter, so will she kill it or come up limp?

It's hard to say when these players even realize they qualify for the draft. A reporter might tip them off at the end of the season and they're caught off guard and not sure what they would do. Kelsey Mitchell's dad was acting like he didn't know she was qualified to enter the draft halfway through her junior season. At this time, I'd say the odds are high she stays 4 years.



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PostPosted: 10/11/17 2:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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She looks like the tallest player on the floor in that highlight clip. Is it a second tier pro team?

That's the Turkish top division. Erlana Larkins and Alina Iagupova are also on DeShields's team; the imports on the opponents in that clip are Erica Wheeler and Bernice Mosby. It does illustrate that she really is a big wing, which aren't easy to find even before you consider her other athletic gifts.

She's obviously gonna go high in the draft, it's just a question of how high. Players with those kinds of raw materials just don't show up all that often, even when they come with heaps of baggage, and frustrating inconsistency.



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PostPosted: 10/11/17 3:08 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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PRballer wrote:
She looks like the tallest player on the floor in that highlight clip. Is it a second tier pro team?

That's the Turkish top division. Erlana Larkins and Alina Iagupova are also on DeShields's team; the imports on the opponents in that clip are Erica Wheeler and Bernice Mosby. It does illustrate that she really is a big wing, which aren't easy to find even before you consider her other athletic gifts.

She's obviously gonna go high in the draft, it's just a question of how high. Players with those kinds of raw materials just don't show up all that often, even when they come with heaps of baggage, and frustrating inconsistency.



Could not have said it any better . Im betting Top end 1-2 , Low end 4-5 . No way Seattle lets her slip past 5.



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PostPosted: 10/11/17 6:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Looking at the draftsite mock, it looks more like wishful thinking that all those kids would come out. Poor Geno would pull out his hair if all his Jrs abandon ship. And I will be surprised if K. Jensen is a first round pick. She gets gaudy numbers in college but if you watch her play, I just don't see it translate. (and I hate to be the bearer of bad news but she's not 6'4") Also I finally see one actually listed shorter than she actually is - Mercedes Russel at 6'0" Laughing


These people are clueless- always have been and most likely always will be. Goes to show, people can make money by declaring themselves while they have little to no knowledge about the subject fields they profess to represent. Rolling Eyes



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PostPosted: 10/13/17 9:31 am    ::: Kelsey Mitchell’s experience with USA Basketball Reply Reply with quote

https://www.thelantern.com/2017/10/womens-basketball-ohio-state-guard-kelsey-mitchells-experience-with-usa-basketball-broadened-her-horizons/

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“When you go and you play on a USA basketball team, you have to play with so many great players, it’s certainly a different role than what you would have here,” McGuff said. “I just think that was really good for her and what it would mean for us this year, and really good for her and what it means for her future as she moves on to play professional basketball next year.”



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PostPosted: 10/15/17 8:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

now that SA is relocating to Vegas, i believe they will get the #1 pick.

Vegas: Wilson
Chi Town: Mitchell
Indy: DeShields


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PostPosted: 10/15/17 8:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

LibFan25 wrote:
now that SA is relocating to Vegas, i believe they will get the #1 pick.


They have the same odds they always had since the end of the season.



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PostPosted: 10/16/17 9:18 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

1. San Antonio- Aja Wilson
2. Chicago- Azure Stevens
3. Indiana- Kelsey Mitchell
4. Chicago- Gabby Williams
5. Seattle- Diamond Deshields
6. Dallas- Monique Billings
7. Washington- Mercededes Russell
8. Phoenix- Lexie Brown
9. Connecticut- Jordan Canada
10. New York- Jamie Nared
11. Los Angeles- Kia Nurse

Just pulled this upthread for reasons of discussion.

In one way, this is a pretty deep draft, because any one of these 11 -- plus a couple more -- could turn into solid WNBA players. In fact, it seems likely that three or four will.

The problem is that the only two I feel totally confident about are A'ja Wilson and Kelsey Mitchell, though of course, they, like any draftee, could become busts.

The others are gambles, as the positives are balanced by negatives, from Diamond DeShields' attitude to Gabby Williams' height to Jordin Canada's three-point shooting.

So I don't know that trading a proven asset for any pick below No. 2 is a good deal (unless that asset is going to leave anyway) because there's a lot uncertainty as to which of the players will pan out, and which will go the way of Tori Jankowska.



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PostPosted: 10/16/17 12:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
LibFan25 wrote:
now that SA is relocating to Vegas, i believe they will get the #1 pick.


They have the same odds they always had since the end of the season.


Never tell me the odds! </hansolo>

In all seriousness, though, it would not surprise me if there were lottery shenanigans in order to get the relocated team off on the right foot. While Tulsa to Dallas seems to have been fairly smooth, I imagine the Detroit to Tulsa debacle still lingers for the W. (though come to think of it, is anyone from that mess still in the league front office?)

Besides, it's Vegas. House always wins. Wink



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PostPosted: 10/16/17 5:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
LibFan25 wrote:
now that SA is relocating to Vegas, i believe they will get the #1 pick.


They have the same odds they always had since the end of the season.


yeah, im not full-blown conspiracy guy but Miss Borders and WNBA will make sure they get that #1 pick

i see alot of trades coming with big Bill in full control mode


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PostPosted: 10/16/17 5:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This is an experiment, right? It's a blitz of a story (WNBA on the strip, the American sports league(s) goes to Vegas) why not give it a #1 pick and let it go from there?

I say throw the top collegiate pick at this new franchise (Wilson) and see what MGM can do to promote its latest and greatest entertainment venture.

It is worth a shot.


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PostPosted: 10/16/17 5:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Shades wrote:
LibFan25 wrote:
now that SA is relocating to Vegas, i believe they will get the #1 pick.


They have the same odds they always had since the end of the season.


yeah, im not full-blown conspiracy guy but Miss Borders and WNBA will make sure they get that #1 pick


Borders is too smart to try to cheat the system. If it leaked out (and almost assuredly it would) the lawsuit would be huge and a threat to the league.



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PostPosted: 10/16/17 6:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I will be shocked if Vegas doesn't get the top pick.

But TBH I would have been shocked if San Antonio didn't get the top pick (but slightly less shocked).


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PostPosted: 10/16/17 6:22 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

J-Spoon wrote:
I will be shocked if Vegas doesn't get the top pick.

But TBH I would have been shocked if San Antonio didn't get the top pick (but slightly less shocked).


Ill be shocked if vegas does not get it either. I think im more happy San Antonio did not Laughing



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PostPosted: 10/16/17 6:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

And yet, if Chicago or Indiana end up with #1, I guarantee you someone in a future year will claim that it was a fix for them instead.



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PostPosted: 10/16/17 7:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It would be great if Chicago were able to land the #1 pick in the draft for the first time in franchise history. Cool
If anyone does not like Chicago getting the #1 pick they can locate the largest rock they can find and kick it.



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PostPosted: 10/16/17 9:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Indiana needs the number one pick worst than Vegas in my opinion, but Vegas needs Wilson. Vegas could afford to get a SF this draft, and draft Turner or Stevens in 2019. Indiana needs a complete overhaul and injection of youth.



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PostPosted: 10/16/17 9:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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And yet, if Chicago or Indiana end up with #1, I guarantee you someone in a future year will claim that it was a fix for them instead.


Sure. I've heard people say the 2013 lottery was fixed for Phoenix even though the prevailing wisdom at the time was that it was the worst possible outcome.



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PostPosted: 10/17/17 9:09 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So let's think about a conspiracy ...

First, there's a risk/reward involved, and I wonder if the reward (getting A'ja Wilson to the "right" team) is worth any risk. By that I mean, would it be any better for the league (which must administer the conspiracy) to have the first draft pick go to Las Vegas rather than to Chicago?

I think you could make a case that bolstering Chicago's roster would be better for the league in the long run than having Wilson go to Vegas. Chicago is a much, much bigger media market, and needs a boost, while Vegas will be new and shiny regardless of whether Wilson lands there.

And really, is Wilson that much of a difference-maker? She's good, granted, but I don't see her having the impact of a Griner or EDD or Taurasi. Kelsey Mitchell actually might turn out to be the better, more exciting player.

Or not. Wilson, in fact, could be overwhelmed by the strength of WNBA posts, and turn out to be an ordinary player ...

Putting it all together, it seems the case for a conspiracy is pretty weak -- and I'm someone who still believes Patrick Ewing was delivered to the Knicks in the NBA lottery way back when.



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I think Wilson got a big boost from being the best player on the championship team (which had at least two other first round draft picks). If South Carolina had gotten wrecked in the finals by UConn as they were earlier in the season, we probably wouldn't be hearing about the "A'ja Wilson sweepstakes".

If the WNBA wanted to orchestrate things for the health of the league they wouldn't have let Griner go to Phoenix or Fowles go to Minnesota.


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PostPosted: 10/17/17 10:19 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Indiana needs the number one pick worst than Vegas in my opinion, but Vegas needs Wilson. Vegas could afford to get a SF this draft, and draft Turner or Stevens in 2019. Indiana needs a complete overhaul and injection of youth.


If Indiana gets the No. 1 pick, I hope they use it on Kelsey Mitchell in stead of Wilson. She's the jewel of the draft class, IMO.

Getting her, and pairing her with Stevens in 2019 is my ultimate dream.


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PostPosted: 10/17/17 10:19 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Ditto to that.

It is a big bad world out there in the W. Size matters. Wilson is about 6'3" not her listed height, she does carry some poundage but she would probably be better losing some as it slows her down. Smaller bigs need to be quicker as they can't bang with the W bigs at 6' 5 +. Guards who can't shoot are a dime a dozen. Tall shooters are the premium these days.


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PostPosted: 10/17/17 10:43 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Nixtreefan wrote:
Ditto to that.

It is a big bad world out there in the W. Size matters. Wilson is about 6'3" not her listed height, she does carry some poundage but she would probably be better losing some as it slows her down. Smaller bigs need to be quicker as they can't bang with the W bigs at 6' 5 +. Guards who can't shoot are a dime a dozen. Tall shooters are the premium these days.


Wilson does look 6'5 and she pretty quick on her feet, she has MVP potential, Williams is the other player who I think will challenge for MVP and DPY awards down the line.
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PostPosted: 10/17/17 10:54 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I think Wilson got a big boost from being the best player on the championship team (which had at least two other first round draft picks). If South Carolina had gotten wrecked in the finals by UConn as they were earlier in the season, we probably wouldn't be hearing about the "A'ja Wilson sweepstakes".


Allisha Gray was on that team too and she has looked pretty darn good in the W. You can't blame it on one or two players when they lose to the machine.

And if she played for UConn she would be touted as the next best thing to...(name it).

At any rate I think of her as a mini-Stewie with Stewie like potential. And I agree with above that she does look at least 6'4" to me. Pretty hard to see that fail.



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myrtle wrote:
tfan wrote:
I think Wilson got a big boost from being the best player on the championship team (which had at least two other first round draft picks). If South Carolina had gotten wrecked in the finals by UConn as they were earlier in the season, we probably wouldn't be hearing about the "A'ja Wilson sweepstakes".


Allisha Gray was on that team too and she has looked pretty darn good in the W. You can't blame it on one or two players when they lose to the machine.

And if she played for UConn she would be touted as the next best thing to...(name it).

At any rate I think of her as a mini-Stewie with Stewie like potential. And I agree with above that she does look at least 6'4" to me. Pretty hard to see that fail.


I'm 6'3...she's taller than me.


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myrtle wrote:
tfan wrote:
I think Wilson got a big boost from being the best player on the championship team (which had at least two other first round draft picks). If South Carolina had gotten wrecked in the finals by UConn as they were earlier in the season, we probably wouldn't be hearing about the "A'ja Wilson sweepstakes".


Allisha Gray was on that team too and she has looked pretty darn good in the W. You can't blame it on one or two players when they lose to the machine.

And if she played for UConn she would be touted as the next best thing to...(name it).

At any rate I think of her as a mini-Stewie with Stewie like potential. And I agree with above that she does look at least 6'4" to me. Pretty hard to see that fail.


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And really, is Wilson that much of a difference-maker? She's good, granted, but I don't see her having the impact of a Griner or EDD or Taurasi. Kelsey Mitchell actually might turn out to be the better, more exciting player.

Or not. Wilson, in fact, could be overwhelmed by the strength of WNBA posts, and turn out to be an ordinary player ...


Wilson is taller, more athletic and has better ball skills than Nneka, probably now, certainly than when Nneka arrived in the WNBA. Nneka is stronger today, but give Wilson five years of maturing and year round full time working out.

No, we don't know that Wilson will be as good or better than Ogwumike, but she certainly has the potential to be, and players with her potential don't come around very often.

Small fast gunning guards always look flashier, but I'll take the less flashy height every time.

Using Griner and Della Donne and Taurasi - all once in a decade type players - as your test sets up an unreasonable standard. Nobody else in this draft, or the last, or the next, is close to them either. Wilson still appears to be the best prospect in this draft.

But then again, there's another whole year to watch and assess them. At this time last year I wouldn't have pegged Plum as the #1 pick.


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She was put at 6'5" and she is not close, Stewie is taller than her and I have seen them stand next to each other.

Oh and show me some footage where she is in a full sprint.

And please on the more athletic than Nneka Laughing Laughing Laughing

But as stated there is a whole year to go before.


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She was put at 6'5" and she is not close, Stewie is taller than her and I have seen them stand next to each other.

Oh and show me some footage where she is in a full sprint.

And please on the more athletic than Nneka Laughing Laughing Laughing

But as stated there is a whole year to go before.


Sprinting full speed against UCONN last season . Go back and watch the 1st half of that game she played hard . Nneka athleticism could be a stretch though also , but i will get on the bandwagon that she could possibly end up better !



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She was put at 6'5" and she is not close, Stewie is taller than her and I have seen them stand next to each other.


I was looking around for pictures of them standing together. The only one I've found is this one from 2013...

https://www.usab.com/~/media/5450eaa4505c45ccb799557aab1fa105.ashx

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A'ja Wilson is not Breanna Stewart.

Not even close.

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A'ja Wilson is not Breanna Stewart.

Not even close.

And I think A'ja Wilson is pretty good.


I agree. That's like comparing her to Candace Parker because they happen to be a similar height. She's not Parker, she's not Della Donne, she's not Stewart.

But at the same time, none of those three is Ogwumike. Personally I think Wilson is likely going to be more like a taller Nneka.

They're all good. But they're different players.


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I think Wilson got a big boost from being the best player on the championship team (which had at least two other first round draft picks). If South Carolina had gotten wrecked in the finals by UConn as they were earlier in the season, we probably wouldn't be hearing about the "A'ja Wilson sweepstakes".


No boost from me. I had her as #1 long before the championship. Elite bigs don't grow on trees, guards kinda do. A championship does help solidify that spot for those who had doubts before. She's probably not going to win a championship next year but I don't see it making a difference.



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A'ja Wilson is not Breanna Stewart.

Not even close.

And I think A'ja Wilson is pretty good.


I agree. That's like comparing her to Candace Parker because they happen to be a similar height. She's not Parker, she's not Della Donne, she's not Stewart.

But at the same time, none of those three is Ogwumike. Personally I think Wilson is likely going to be more like a taller Nneka.

They're all good. But they're different players.


We should appreciate Wilson for who she is and great hope for what she will become in the future. There are no two basketball players on the planet with the same physical attributes and same level of skills.



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ClayK wrote:
A'ja Wilson is not Breanna Stewart.

Not even close.

And I think A'ja Wilson is pretty good.


I agree. That's like comparing her to Candace Parker because they happen to be a similar height. She's not Parker, she's not Della Donne, she's not Stewart.

But at the same time, none of those three is Ogwumike. Personally I think Wilson is likely going to be more like a taller Nneka.

They're all good. But they're different players.


We should appreciate Wilson for who she is and great hope for what she will become in the future. There are no two basketball players on the planet with the same physical attributes and same level of skills.


That's true. But different players share attributes and basic categories of style of play. I don't see any problem comparing players capabilities, physical characteristics, and styles, to that of other players. That doesn't detract from appreciating individual players.


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To me, Wilson is a stronger version of Parker with a good handle but without the complete offensive skillset of Parker but better defensively right out of the gate. Parker/Charles hybrid?

At this point I can't see Wilson not going #1, and it's hard to see what would have to happen for her not to go #1. A severe injury.... or Mitchell having a Plum-like senior year and taking over the career scoring record? I can't see McGuff letting Mitchell go all me-ball to the level that it would take to reach 975 pts(?) in this season. Plus Mitchell mentioned she's learning more about team play at the USAB camp. Even then, you look at last year and see that having a year like Plum had doesn't guarantee greatness at the next level... although I can pretty much guarantee Mitchell will become a more prominent player than Plum in the WNBA.

For Indiana specifically, a healthy Wilson meets both best player and biggest need criteria. There's just no way they pass on Wilson. In fact, if they do land in the 2019 lottery (which won't be a forgone conclusion), they can just go into the post well again. That's how badly they need posts.





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A'ja Wilson is not Breanna Stewart.

Not even close.

And I think A'ja Wilson is pretty good.


There are times that A'ja Wilson reminds me of a taller (and even better version) of Katrina McClain.


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LibFan25 wrote:
now that SA is relocating to Vegas, i believe they will get the #1 pick.

Vegas: Wilson
Chi Town: Mitchell
Indy: DeShields


So what are you saying, that it will be rigged? Because that sort of totally unproven conspiracy crap - oh, wait - "my opinion that I have a right to give" - is what's dumbing down the world. Not to mention that it insults the reputation of the WNBA and the accounting firm that is staking their reputation on the honesty of the process. It's equally plausible to suggest that the Las Vegas team builds an invisibility ray to have one of its people poke a ball or two into the receptacle without anyone seeing them, right?


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Nerd2 wrote:
LibFan25 wrote:
now that SA is relocating to Vegas, i believe they will get the #1 pick.

Vegas: Wilson
Chi Town: Mitchell
Indy: DeShields


So what are you saying, that it will be rigged? Because that sort of totally unproven conspiracy crap - oh, wait - "my opinion that I have a right to give" - is what's dumbing down the world. Not to mention that it insults the reputation of the WNBA and the accounting firm that is staking their reputation on the honesty of the process. It's equally plausible to suggest that the Las Vegas team builds an invisibility ray to have one of its people poke a ball or two into the receptacle without anyone seeing them, right?


lol nobody is insulting the league. get a grip, you don't have to agree with it. Yes its my opinion, just like everyone else on this board.

I love this league, i've been going to Liberty games since the begining as a kid. all i want is to see it get better and grow. moving to Vegas brings a new energy and excitement to the league. but i feel sorry for the SA fans


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OK, I'll bite...

Should Laimbeer/Las Vegas get the #1 draft pick and therefore, A'ja Wilson, I would not be surprised to see him shop Plum to Seattle for their #5 pick and draft Kia Nurse should Gabby Williams, Kelsey Mitchell and Diamond DeShields be drafted with the #2,#3 and #4 picks.

I find it very unlikely that Azure Stevens will enter the draft.



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RavenDog wrote:
OK, I'll bite...

Should Laimbeer/Las Vegas get the #1 draft pick and therefore, A'ja Wilson, I would not be surprised to see him shop Plum to Seattle for their #5 pick and draft Kia Nurse should Gabby Williams, Kelsey Mitchell and Diamond DeShields be drafted with the #2,#3 and #4 picks.

I find it very unlikely that Azura Stevens will enter the draft.


SEA didn't seem to be interested in Plum in the draft, back when she was seen as a can't miss prospect. Maybe they figured she was unattainable with the #6 or even a package with #6.

This year the #5 pick should be a decent player. Unless LVS can provide a better package deal for #5, I think SEA would be better served to keep that pick.



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RavenDog wrote:
OK, I'll bite...

Should Laimbeer/Las Vegas get the #1 draft pick and therefore, A'ja Wilson, I would not be surprised to see him shop Plum to Seattle for their #5 pick and draft Kia Nurse should Gabby Williams, Kelsey Mitchell and Diamond DeShields be drafted with the #2,#3 and #4 picks.

I find it very unlikely that Azure Stevens will enter the draft.


Kia Nurse will be a great defender in this league , I see Jenna Ohea as her comparison . Could See them going with Jamie Nared at #5 playing the SF to have reason to dump Montgomery again



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Shades wrote:
To me, Wilson is a stronger version of Parker with a good handle but without the complete offensive skillset of Parker but better defensively right out of the gate. Parker/Charles hybrid?

At this point I can't see Wilson not going #1, and it's hard to see what would have to happen for her not to go #1. A severe injury.... or Mitchell having a Plum-like senior year and taking over the career scoring record? I can't see McGuff letting Mitchell go all me-ball to the level that it would take to reach 975 pts(?) in this season. Plus Mitchell mentioned she's learning more about team play at the USAB camp. Even then, you look at last year and see that having a year like Plum had doesn't guarantee greatness at the next level... although I can pretty much guarantee Mitchell will become a more prominent player than Plum in the WNBA.

For Indiana specifically, a healthy Wilson meets both best player and biggest need criteria. There's just no way they pass on Wilson. In fact, if they do land in the 2019 lottery (which won't be a forgone conclusion), they can just go into the post well again. That's how badly they need posts.




Wilson fills the biggest need for every lottery team. Potential franchise player at the most stacked/important position in the league. Vegas and Chicago have gaping holes at PF while Indiana has old Dupree. It should be a no-brainer no matter what.


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LibFan25 wrote:
Nerd2 wrote:
LibFan25 wrote:
now that SA is relocating to Vegas, i believe they will get the #1 pick.

Vegas: Wilson
Chi Town: Mitchell
Indy: DeShields


So what are you saying, that it will be rigged? Because that sort of totally unproven conspiracy crap - oh, wait - "my opinion that I have a right to give" - is what's dumbing down the world. Not to mention that it insults the reputation of the WNBA and the accounting firm that is staking their reputation on the honesty of the process. It's equally plausible to suggest that the Las Vegas team builds an invisibility ray to have one of its people poke a ball or two into the receptacle without anyone seeing them, right?


lol nobody is insulting the league. get a grip, you don't have to agree with it. Yes its my opinion, just like everyone else on this board.

I love this league, i've been going to Liberty games since the begining as a kid. all i want is to see it get better and grow. moving to Vegas brings a new energy and excitement to the league. but i feel sorry for the SA fans


I'm sorry, but yes you are insulting the honesty of the league if you are suggesting that the lottery could be rigged to give Vegas the top pick. There is a difference between having an opinion (this player should be traded) and offering up a completely unproven crackpot theory.


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RavenDog wrote:
OK, I'll bite...

Should Laimbeer/Las Vegas get the #1 draft pick and therefore, A'ja Wilson, I would not be surprised to see him shop Plum to Seattle for their #5 pick and draft Kia Nurse should Gabby Williams, Kelsey Mitchell and Diamond DeShields be drafted with the #2,#3 and #4 picks.

I find it very unlikely that Azure Stevens will enter the draft.


I think this board overestimates how much Seattle might want Plum now. The die-hard UW fan base who isn't also a Storm fan is actually rather small so it would hardly be a windfall for ticket sales. Most of us are sick of seeing our draft picks sent away because we always seem to be worse off with who we end up getting.


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The reason the brouhaha happened in the first place was that no-one would take Plum and SA ended up with her thinking they would be able to trade for what they really wanted, they couldn't and they were not happy about that. People may have changed their mind or not but who knows, she doesn't seem like a player Laimbeer likes.

I don't doubt that Wilson will probably go 1 but she is who she is a big body left hand dominant 6'3" post. She is no where near as athletic as Nneka. There is a huge difference between playing in the paint in the W and playing in the paint in college where there are currently very few bigs and a lot of undersized posts.


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Nixtreefan wrote:
The reason the brouhaha happened in the first place was that no-one would take Plum and SA ended up with her thinking they would be able to trade for what they really wanted, they couldn't and they were not happy about that.


What did they want? There were at least a couple of trade rumors and I believe those rumors. Did San Antonio get too greedy? They showed a live stream interview with Reilly. She said they wanted Plum on the team, and she seemed genuine to me.

Nixtreefan wrote:
People may have changed their mind or not but who knows, she doesn't seem like a player Laimbeer likes.


Who knows what he likes since he hasn't had complete control for a couple of years. Now that he has complete control, will he switch back to his big lead guard style? He's got three small ones now (including Colson), so it looks like he'll have to be bit flexible unless he blows up the team... which I'm not seeing but you never know.

Nixtreefan wrote:
I don't doubt that Wilson will probably go 1 but she is who she is a big body left hand dominant 6'3" post.


Oh, using the make her look shorter than she really is technique.

Nixtreefan wrote:
She is no where near as athletic as Nneka.


She's at least 2 inches taller than Nneka, and why are we talking about Nneka? Has there been a trade proposal? Nneka is already 6 years in. Won't be long before Clay is calling her old. High energy post players tend to slow down with age. She might have to change her style for the long haul. Could explain why she's adding some perimeter to her game, like Glory Johnson.

Nixtreefan wrote:
There is a huge difference between playing in the paint in the W and playing in the paint in college where there are currently very few bigs and a lot of undersized posts.


Yeah, and Nneka is trending toward the undersized post.



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