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tfan
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Posted: 10/04/17 2:01 pm ::: |
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Looking at Hughes' record over the years is a good argument for the players being the overwhelming factor of what determines the team record. Hughes was 24-10 at San Antonio and also 7-27. He was 22-10 in Cleveland and also 10-22.
If I was the Storm GM I would have asked the Storm players, particularly the stars, how they felt about Kloppenberg. If they were positive about him, I would have kept him. Maybe that happened. For the GM perspective, Kloppenberg is saddled with the track record of those two losing years in talent less Tulsa.
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http://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/20914104/dan-hughes-retirement-named-new-seattle-storm-coach
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During the course of his coaching career in Cleveland, Charlotte and San Antonio, Hughes has usually had to rebuild. He was excited for the chance to start with a strong foundation in place.
"They are farther along than any team I've had," Hughes said. "Talk about Sue, Stewie and Jewell and some pieces I saw. I liked the chemistry I saw, they imitated what I believe in. There is work that needs to be done, but they are farther along in the process." |
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Posted: 10/04/17 2:41 pm ::: |
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Looking at Hughes' record over the years is a good argument for the players being the overwhelming factor of what determines the team record. Hughes was 24-10 at San Antonio and also 7-27. He was 22-10 in Cleveland and also 10-22. |
That makes him the same as Brian Agler. Agler couldn't win in Minnesota, couldn't win in Seattle once Lauren Jackson retired. He was 28-6 in Seattle, but also 12-22. In LA he's been 26-8, but also 14-20.
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Posted: 10/04/17 2:46 pm ::: |
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Maybe he just really likes coaching but doesn't like the responsibility of building a team. |
I will agree with this , he has not shown he can build a team in his tenures. He has always kind of rubbed me as an old school coach who refuses to adapt to the new style of play when it comes to his teams. Not proud of the storm's front office for this choice. They could have done a bit more searching before announcing or giving him the position .
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Posted: 10/04/17 2:48 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
tfan wrote: |
Looking at Hughes' record over the years is a good argument for the players being the overwhelming factor of what determines the team record. Hughes was 24-10 at San Antonio and also 7-27. He was 22-10 in Cleveland and also 10-22. |
That makes him the same as Brian Agler. Agler couldn't win in Minnesota, couldn't win in Seattle once Lauren Jackson retired. He was 28-6 in Seattle, but also 12-22. In LA he's been 26-8, but also 14-20. |
To be fair the 14-20 year he only had parker half the season.
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Posted: 10/04/17 2:51 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
tfan wrote: |
Looking at Hughes' record over the years is a good argument for the players being the overwhelming factor of what determines the team record. Hughes was 24-10 at San Antonio and also 7-27. He was 22-10 in Cleveland and also 10-22. |
That makes him the same as Brian Agler. Agler couldn't win in Minnesota, couldn't win in Seattle once Lauren Jackson retired. He was 28-6 in Seattle, but also 12-22. In LA he's been 26-8, but also 14-20. |
To be fair the 14-20 year he only had parker half the season. |
Yeah, he's just as player dependent as Hughes. That was the point.
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Posted: 10/04/17 3:02 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
WNBA 09 wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
tfan wrote: |
Looking at Hughes' record over the years is a good argument for the players being the overwhelming factor of what determines the team record. Hughes was 24-10 at San Antonio and also 7-27. He was 22-10 in Cleveland and also 10-22. |
That makes him the same as Brian Agler. Agler couldn't win in Minnesota, couldn't win in Seattle once Lauren Jackson retired. He was 28-6 in Seattle, but also 12-22. In LA he's been 26-8, but also 14-20. |
To be fair the 14-20 year he only had parker half the season. |
Yeah, he's just as player dependent as Hughes. That was the point. |
Isnt every coach player dependent?
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Posted: 10/04/17 3:26 pm ::: |
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Angus24 wrote: |
Maybe he just really likes coaching but doesn't like the responsibility of building a team. |
I will agree with this , he has not shown he can build a team in his tenures. He has always kind of rubbed me as an old school coach who refuses to adapt to the new style of play when it comes to his teams. Not proud of the storm's front office for this choice. They could have done a bit more searching before announcing or giving him the position . |
I couldn't disagree with this more. He went three guards before most did; he was able to get Sophia Young to be an undersized four and be a success when that didn't happen often.
He's coached a team with Ann Wauters at center, and Ruth Riley at center, totally different.
He's had Becky Hammon and Merlakia Jones. Totally different
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Posted: 10/04/17 3:49 pm ::: |
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WNBA 09 wrote: |
Michelle89 wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
WNBA 09 wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
tfan wrote: |
Looking at Hughes' record over the years is a good argument for the players being the overwhelming factor of what determines the team record. Hughes was 24-10 at San Antonio and also 7-27. He was 22-10 in Cleveland and also 10-22. |
That makes him the same as Brian Agler. Agler couldn't win in Minnesota, couldn't win in Seattle once Lauren Jackson retired. He was 28-6 in Seattle, but also 12-22. In LA he's been 26-8, but also 14-20. |
To be fair the 14-20 year he only had parker half the season. |
Yeah, he's just as player dependent as Hughes. That was the point. |
Isnt every coach player dependent? |
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I pretty much have run the same system over the years -- halfcourt man, a little halfcourt trap, pick-and-roll, uptempo, shoot threes.
With good players, we've done really well. With players who can't shoot well, we've struggled (and I'm not talking about just threes).
So it's the same system, same coach, but results dependent on skill level of players -- or so I like to think.
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tfan
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Posted: 10/04/17 4:27 pm ::: |
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Angus24 wrote: |
Maybe he just really likes coaching but doesn't like the responsibility of building a team. |
I will agree with this , he has not shown he can build a team in his tenures.. |
2005 San Antonio 7-27
2006 San Antonio 13-21
2007 San Antonio 20-14
2008 San Antonio 24-10 (WNBA finals)
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tfan
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Posted: 10/04/17 4:28 pm ::: |
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Michelle89 wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
WNBA 09 wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
tfan wrote: |
Looking at Hughes' record over the years is a good argument for the players being the overwhelming factor of what determines the team record. Hughes was 24-10 at San Antonio and also 7-27. He was 22-10 in Cleveland and also 10-22. |
That makes him the same as Brian Agler. Agler couldn't win in Minnesota, couldn't win in Seattle once Lauren Jackson retired. He was 28-6 in Seattle, but also 12-22. In LA he's been 26-8, but also 14-20. |
To be fair the 14-20 year he only had parker half the season. |
Yeah, he's just as player dependent as Hughes. That was the point. |
Isnt every coach player dependent? |
Not when the coaching accolades and demerits are being handed out.
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Ay Mate
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Posted: 10/04/17 5:20 pm ::: |
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tfan wrote: |
Michelle89 wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
WNBA 09 wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
tfan wrote: |
Looking at Hughes' record over the years is a good argument for the players being the overwhelming factor of what determines the team record. Hughes was 24-10 at San Antonio and also 7-27. He was 22-10 in Cleveland and also 10-22. |
That makes him the same as Brian Agler. Agler couldn't win in Minnesota, couldn't win in Seattle once Lauren Jackson retired. He was 28-6 in Seattle, but also 12-22. In LA he's been 26-8, but also 14-20. |
To be fair the 14-20 year he only had parker half the season. |
Yeah, he's just as player dependent as Hughes. That was the point. |
Isnt every coach player dependent? |
Not when the coaching accolades and demerits are being handed out. |
What a joke. Dan Hughes? Really? The coach who only made the playoffs in 6 of his 11 years in San Antonio? The coach who only won 7 games in his final season there? Horrible coach. Better than Boucek obviously but yikes. I woulda kept Kloppenburg. The Storm looked a lot better when he took over and drove them to the playoffs. This Seattle franchise gets dumber and dumber on a yearly basis.
By the way, when I tried to reply, hitting the reply button, it took me back to the forum Index. That’s why I had to click on ‘quote’ instead.
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Posted: 10/04/17 5:48 pm ::: |
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Aside her on their rosters, I don’t remember much of anything else that was any good. |
He wears goofy ties and likes rock and roll.
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Posted: 10/04/17 6:26 pm ::: |
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Speaking of coming out of retirement, I wonder if they could have gotten Anne Donovan to come back? At least she won us a championship.
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Posted: 10/04/17 9:39 pm ::: |
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What is it with this league passing around mediocre coaches..
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pilight
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Posted: 10/04/17 9:41 pm ::: |
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What is it with this league passing around mediocre coaches.. |
Don't all pro leagues do that?
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Posted: 10/04/17 9:57 pm ::: |
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mavcarter wrote: |
Ay Mate wrote: |
WNBA 09 wrote: |
tfan wrote: |
WNBA 09 wrote: |
Angus24 wrote: |
Maybe he just really likes coaching but doesn't like the responsibility of building a team. |
I will agree with this , he has not shown he can build a team in his tenures.. |
2005 San Antonio 7-27
2006 San Antonio 13-21
2007 San Antonio 20-14
2008 San Antonio 24-10 (WNBA finals) |
Then....
2009 San Antonio 15-19
2010 San Antonio 14-20
2011 San Antonio 18-16
2012 San Antonio 21-13
2013 San Antonio 12-22
2014 San Antonio 16-18
2015 San Antonio 8-26
2016 San Antonio 7-27
Sooooooooooo 1 Winning season in the last 8 years....and if you want to be technical its 3 out of 12 , But he sure can build a squad i guess every 4 years or so . |
I don’t remember him building anything. He lucked into getting Becky Hammon and that was about it. Aside her on their rosters, I don’t remember much of anything else that was any good. |
IMO, he was an above average drafter. Sophia Young, Danielle Robinson, Danielle Adams, Moriah Jefferson, and Kayla McBride were pretty good value picks. |
Young, Jefferson, and McBride were lottery picks, basically picked and performed as expected. Maybe he gets points for picking Robinson over Ta'Shia Phillips and Kayla Pedersen, though I am not sure anyone else would have used the pick differently.
Adams, I'll give you, though she was eventually waived.
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Posted: 10/05/17 2:59 am ::: |
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With the lack of talent most of those stars teams had i would guess that most of the coaches would have a losing record. Besides Becky he never had a lot of star players. Sophia Young is no Taurasi, Moore etc.
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Posted: 10/05/17 8:45 am ::: |
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Don't let that Hughes anywhere near the Lottery or trading table. He's a poor judge of talent and he can't control himself (ego) when he has power and authority. He's like an addicted gambler going to the Las Vegas casinos.
Keep him in his role as educator, trainer and coach where his talents lie and he should do well.
If not, he'll fuck this team up to where they'll never be able to achieve the level of success they could rise to.
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