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PostPosted: 09/29/17 12:53 pm    ::: All WNBA teams announced Reply Reply with quote

http://www.wnba.com/news/2017-mvp-sylvia-fowles-headlines-2017-wnba-first-team/

Maya Moore as a guard? Parker over J. Jones for first team? Taurasi on the second team?



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 12:58 pm    ::: Re: All WNBA teams announced Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
http://www.wnba.com/news/2017-mvp-sylvia-fowles-headlines-2017-wnba-first-team/

Maya Moore as a guard? Parker over J. Jones for first team? Taurasi on the second team?


You'd rather she didn't make all WNBA at all?



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 1:01 pm    ::: Re: All WNBA teams announced Reply Reply with quote

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toad455 wrote:
http://www.wnba.com/news/2017-mvp-sylvia-fowles-headlines-2017-wnba-first-team/

Maya Moore as a guard? Parker over J. Jones for first team? Taurasi on the second team?


You'd rather she didn't make all WNBA at all?


Based on this season, she probably shouldn't have



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 1:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Maya Moore, period? I'm a UConn fan, but she played so crappy this year. I'm glad Taurasi got on there, she still had a high average and is making the most of her minutes. Nneka and Candace both put up basically same stats as last year, pretty much same team record in reg. season yet the importance of each player reversed this season? I forgot it is women's basketball and I guess we play nice and make sure everyone gets a piece of pie.


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PostPosted: 09/29/17 1:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I would have had:

First team
G: Diggins
G: J. Thomas
F: Charles
F: J. Jones
C: Fowles

Second team
G: Clarendon
G: Gray
F: Ogwumike
F: A. Thomas
C: Griner

Honorable mention: Parker, M. Moore, Vandersloot



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 1:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Is this supposed to be a joke?


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PostPosted: 09/29/17 1:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Fowles having 195 points means whoever left her off the first team also left her off the second team



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 1:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Maya Moore, period? I'm a UConn fan, but she played so crappy this year. I'm glad Taurasi got on there, she still had a high average and is making the most of her minutes. Nneka and Candace both put up basically same stats as last year, pretty much same team record in reg. season yet the importance of each player reversed this season? I forgot it is women's basketball and I guess we play nice and make sure everyone gets a piece of pie.

Maya had what felt like a pretty poor season, but that's just because of what we've come to expect from her. She still basically outplayed and outproduced someone like Taurasi in every category you could care to mention. Maya would be on the second team if they weren't making up the positions as they go along, which seems pretty resonable to me.

I'm not sure which is more ridiculous - claiming Maya's a guard or calling Jonquel Jones a forward. Moore played virtually nothing but forward all season long, and Jones was pretty universally a center. Why do they even bother claiming these teams are guard/guard/forward/forward/center when they're just talking complete crap to form them?



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 1:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Maybe they don't and some random person just sticks those initials on there Laughing


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PostPosted: 09/29/17 1:47 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

MAYA IS NOT A FUCKING GUARD



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 1:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

In a rare moment of consistency, Maya Moore was also listed as a guard on the All Defense teams



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 2:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Is Taurasi making it a joke? Vandersloot deserved it.



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 3:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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In a rare moment of consistency, Maya Moore was also listed as a guard on the All Defense teams

Yeah, sigur3 and I were bitching about it then as well.



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 3:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So EDD and Stewie the biggest absences.



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 3:50 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Interesting match-ups if the 2 teams played. Taurasi guarding DigginS?

Sloot
Loyd , how long could Gray or Moore chase her around?
Hayes , how long could CP3 or Nneka chase her around?
Stewart
EDD
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I'd bet on this team to beat either award winners.


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PostPosted: 09/29/17 3:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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So EDD and Stewie the biggest absences.


I don't think EDD is justifiable in any of the F spots. Vandersloot, on the other hand... Inexcusable.


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PostPosted: 09/29/17 4:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The assignment of positions is clearly inconsistent between voters. Clearly (at least some) voters didn't even attempt to have 1 center, 2 forwards and two guards on their first and second teams. Looking at the votes for the first and second team centers, it is impossible to have Fowles get 39 First place votes and Griner get 91 points, a total you can not get to with either 0 or 1 first place votes.

That is why it is problematic to put Moore on the first team when she had fewer votes than Ogwumike, even though Nneka had more total votes. Both are forwards under the classical basketball positions used. Six of the top seven vote getters were front court players. Arguably Parker and Jones (and to a lesser degree Charles) all played center during the season.


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PostPosted: 09/29/17 4:56 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

MAYA MOORE IS NOT A GODDAMN GUARD



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 5:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Arguably Parker and Jones (and to a lesser degree Charles) all played center during the season.

LA's tricky, because obviously under the standard GGFFC format either Nneka or Parker started at center all season, but they mesh the roles to such an extent that I don't mind either (or both) being considered a forward. Jones, on the other hand, spent the entire season playing alongside people like Alyssa Thomas and Morgan Tuck. She's clearly the center on those teams. Charles played a little more center this season than she has in the last couple, but still spent the vast majority of her time as a 4 alongside Vaughn or Stokes.

calbearman76 wrote:
The assignment of positions is clearly inconsistent between voters. Clearly (at least some) voters didn't even attempt to have 1 center, 2 forwards and two guards on their first and second teams. Looking at the votes for the first and second team centers, it is impossible to have Fowles get 39 First place votes and Griner get 91 points, a total you can not get to with either 0 or 1 first place votes.

You only need two idiots, though - one who put Griner on the first team and left Fowles off entirely, and one who put both on the first team. Then the remaining 81 points for Griner are 27 second team votes.



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 5:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Taurasi should not be here. Slooty got robbed!



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 5:46 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Congrats to all the players that made the all wnba teams.

Chelsea Gray Cool

If I had to pick between CP and Nneka I'd pick Parker too if I had to vote for a LA player to put on first team. Candace is just playing better than Nneka but that wasn't the case last season. I know CVS missed a few games but I still vote for her first or second team.


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PostPosted: 09/29/17 6:08 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Taurasi should not be here. Slooty got robbed!

Even as a Mercury fan I can't argue with that. Dee jacked up some shots but she did not have a good season. Slooty definitely did.



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 6:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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MAYA MOORE IS NOT A GODDAMN GUARD


they would have been closer to call Parker a guard. After all, she plays all five positions....[all at once]



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 7:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Is Taurasi making it a joke? Vandersloot deserved it.


Vandersloot missed a ton of games.



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 7:47 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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So EDD and Stewie the biggest absences.


Yes, EDD did have big absences. Stewie's lack of team success must have played a part.



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 7:51 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
UK1996 wrote:
Is Taurasi making it a joke? Vandersloot deserved it.


Vandersloot missed a ton of games.


Griner missed more.


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PostPosted: 09/29/17 8:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Taurasi over Quigley is a joke, but otherwise fair selections. Maya does all that's expected of a guard, but the league should just go with more ambiguous position designations.


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PostPosted: 09/29/17 8:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Is Taurasi making it a joke? Vandersloot deserved it.


Vandersloot missed a ton of games.

Vandersloot missed 6, Griner missed 8. Candace Parker half of the season in 2015 and made the 2nd Team. Vandersloot had a record breaking season.


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PostPosted: 09/29/17 9:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The people that vote for these teams pick the popular players all the time. I'm sure most of the voters only watch a few games every season. I am just waiting for the results for the lottery order.



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PostPosted: 09/29/17 9:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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The people that vote for these teams pick the popular players all the time. I'm sure most of the voters only watch a few games every season. I am just waiting for the results for the lottery order.


Well, Delle Donne didn't get voted in....



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Sloot missed 7 games. They probably didn't like 11.5 ppg.



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Sloot missed 7 games. They probably didn't like 11.5 ppg.


That, and Chicago likely got penalized for it's poor record. Phoenix was better than it was expected to be (although that was Griner), and DT had a better season this year than last.



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Politics, politics, politics. The actual all wnba team is the one that wins the championship.



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PostPosted: 09/30/17 4:26 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
UK1996 wrote:
Is Taurasi making it a joke? Vandersloot deserved it.


Vandersloot missed a ton of games.


With all those times that Taurasi didnt run back on defense you can make a point that she missed a couple of games aswell..



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PostPosted: 09/30/17 8:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Shades wrote:
UK1996 wrote:
Is Taurasi making it a joke? Vandersloot deserved it.


Vandersloot missed a ton of games.


With all those times that Taurasi didnt run back on defense you can make a point that she missed a couple of games aswell..


Laughing

That added to the suspension and rest games, you might have an argument Wink


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PostPosted: 09/30/17 10:04 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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MAYA IS NOT A FUCKING GUARD


she's a 3 most some SF can go guard so I guess thats why she's listed so lol



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They should have made Parker a guard. She has been listed as such on the All Star ballot.



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I'm a little amazed that seeing how Taurasi's age and college peer group is all donezo, how they dont see just how awesome it is to see still putting up 18 a game -right on par with most of the league's stars.


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I'm a little amazed that seeing how Taurasi's age and college peer group is all donezo, how they dont see just how awesome it is to see still putting up 18 a game -right on par with most of the league's stars.


Dunzo like the two players from her draft class who are starters in the championship?


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SDHoops wrote:
I'm a little amazed that seeing how Taurasi's age and college peer group is all donezo, how they dont see just how awesome it is to see still putting up 18 a game -right on par with most of the league's stars.


Dunzo like the two players from her draft class who are starters in the championship?

The starters who are just like props and not productive at all? Yes


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PUmatty wrote:
SDHoops wrote:
I'm a little amazed that seeing how Taurasi's age and college peer group is all donezo, how they dont see just how awesome it is to see still putting up 18 a game -right on par with most of the league's stars.


Dunzo like the two players from her draft class who are starters in the championship?

The starters who are just like props and not productive at all? Yes


The defensive player of the year is just a prop?



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pilight wrote:
SDHoops wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
SDHoops wrote:
I'm a little amazed that seeing how Taurasi's age and college peer group is all donezo, how they dont see just how awesome it is to see still putting up 18 a game -right on par with most of the league's stars.


Dunzo like the two players from her draft class who are starters in the championship?

The starters who are just like props and not productive at all? Yes


The defensive player of the year is just a prop?

i thought he meant Whalen and Brunson.


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PostPosted: 10/01/17 3:47 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Sue Bird just had the highest APG of her career and she's older than Taurasi.


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SDHoops wrote:
pilight wrote:
SDHoops wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
SDHoops wrote:
I'm a little amazed that seeing how Taurasi's age and college peer group is all donezo, how they dont see just how awesome it is to see still putting up 18 a game -right on par with most of the league's stars.


Dunzo like the two players from her draft class who are starters in the championship?

The starters who are just like props and not productive at all? Yes


The defensive player of the year is just a prop?

i thought he meant Whalen and Brunson.


I forgot about Whalen Embarassed



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SDHoops wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
SDHoops wrote:
I'm a little amazed that seeing how Taurasi's age and college peer group is all donezo, how they dont see just how awesome it is to see still putting up 18 a game -right on par with most of the league's stars.


Dunzo like the two players from her draft class who are starters in the championship?

The starters who are just like props and not productive at all? Yes


Did you notice how Minnesota played without Whalen?


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pilight wrote:
SDHoops wrote:
pilight wrote:
SDHoops wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
SDHoops wrote:
I'm a little amazed that seeing how Taurasi's age and college peer group is all donezo, how they dont see just how awesome it is to see still putting up 18 a game -right on par with most of the league's stars.


Dunzo like the two players from her draft class who are starters in the championship?

The starters who are just like props and not productive at all? Yes


The defensive player of the year is just a prop?

i thought he meant Whalen and Brunson.


I forgot about Whalen Embarassed


Actually, I forgot Brunson was 2004 in addition to Beard and Whalen.


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PostPosted: 10/02/17 7:44 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Brunson is still one of the best post defenders in the league so i wouldnt call her dunzo or not being effective. Yes Taurasi still produces at a high level but dont forget she only plays on 1 side of the ball so she has some time to rest in games Laughing



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