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Rock Hard
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jap
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 Posted: 08/22/17 9:50 am ::: |
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| Rock Hard wrote: |
When Leslie was playing with the Sparks she had her share of Haters. I believe it's the Sparks uniform that brings out this venom.  |
With Leslie is was probably her arrogance and her use of her elbows from time to time 
With Parker its probably because she just doesnt bother to play defense or box out, sometimes just checks out of games and likes to whine and pout like a little child to the refs. A lot of similar negatives as Taurasi who has a lot of haters herself. |
My response to all the haters is that no person on this planet is perfect. He who is without sin may throw the first stone.  |
Don't you know that many people feel they are sinless?
I am both a Sparks and Lakers fan and in the past I have gotten disgusted with two of my favorite players, Kobe and Candace, over their arguing with refs. My feeling then and now is: if one bitches too much you become quickly disliked by the refs, and they may choose to tune you out when you have a legitimate beef - sort of like the boy who cried "Wolf!"
I gave it up later on because that's simply just who those players are when they play. Both are notoriously very private persons off the court, but on the hardwood they wear their hearts very openly on their sleeves. Now if the bitching actually affected their play very adversely it would be worst. However, that doesn't often seem to be the case. I know Kobe loved! to play before hostile crowds as the cascade of boo's actually energized him. In fact, he often played better away than he did at home. Ace got tossed a couple times earlier in her career for her aggressive tongue, and now she seems to know when to cool it with the refs. As long as she doesn't adversely affect her teammates, I am fine with it for the most part if she occasionally feels a calling for some on court preaching to the refs - the gospel according to Candace.
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| Posted: 08/22/17 9:52 am ::: |
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Rewatching the game and you're right the 3 that sent the game to ot Dolson was wide open for that. Parker had to stay with Allie and Sims didn't get to Steph on time but even if she did Dolson could have still shot over her cause she is taller than Sims. Parker could have got to Sloot on the drive to make the pass difficult with Gray right there to double. It wouldn't have be easy for Sloot to make a pass with both Gray and Parker on her. |
I had also considered that myself, but if Sims had stayed with Dolson instead of continuing to chase Allie she could have intersected the passing lane between Sloot and Dolson. The thing is that Sims had lost Allie long before she even got to Dolson who was trying to set an unnecessary pick on her. As Clay mentioned in his evaluation of Sims, she really doesn't even play good
man to man defense. Her quickness fools people.
As I stated she made two defensive errors that allowed Allie to get free before the switch even came into play. The first was playing her too close. The second losing focus on her man (she was watching the Vandersloot driving around the picks. Allie reversed her direction leaving Sims running away from her. She had and should have realized that she had totally lost her man and stayed with Dolson. To at least cut off the passing lane or not allow her such an open shot. If worse came to worse she could have fouled her as she received the pass and not in the act of shooting.
As to Parker doubling Quigley. Not a good idea. To begin with she was too far away from her to actually do an effective double. Second you are dealing with Vandersloot who is at least one of the best points in the world. I dont think you are going to put her in a position where she doesn't make that pass. You just done leave Quigley open ever. --this year at least.
Clay explained Sims defensive liabilities very well. Just in the last bunch of games she has received more than one 3 pt shooting foul call against her. This is because she does not rotate quickly enough and runs into the shooter attempting to recover her mistake using her speed. I have also noticed the same thing in respect to fast players coming out of high school, They often have used their athleticism to compensate for defensive errors and at that level have gotten away with not developing better technique. When they get to the next level their weaknesses are exposed. The same also applies to their offense.
I mentioned in my post that I felt that both those errors were sort of due to a lack of court spacing recognition. ( not really the proper terms ). I wonder if that aspect of the game can really be learned. That ability is what separates the good from the elite. It allows them to think moves ahead of their next pass. They not only can recognize the open player but the player who is in the best position to get an assist with the next pass. Good QB also have that ability. To see the entire playing field or court and play the game like a chess master.
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| Posted: 08/22/17 12:04 pm ::: |
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It's interesting ... the ability to sense the whole court is not innate, though it comes more easily to some than others. For me, I was in my late 20s when things clicked and I was suddenly aware of where all ten players were (at least most of the time). I think it's more experience than any teaching, though it doesn't hurt to be reminded (often many times) that defense is not me vs. you but us vs. them.
I'm really trying to instill that concept in our high school team, but it's very slow going. Some kids pick it up, and others just don't quite get it.
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| Posted: 08/22/17 1:14 pm ::: |
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it doesn't hurt to be reminded (often many times) that defense is not me vs. you but us vs. them.
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True of offense as well, and probably forgotten by players even more often.
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| Posted: 08/22/17 7:14 pm ::: |
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Rewatching the game and you're right the 3 that sent the game to ot Dolson was wide open for that. Parker had to stay with Allie and Sims didn't get to Steph on time but even if she did Dolson could have still shot over her cause she is taller than Sims. Parker could have got to Sloot on the drive to make the pass difficult with Gray right there to double. It wouldn't have be easy for Sloot to make a pass with both Gray and Parker on her. |
I had also considered that myself, but if Sims had stayed with Dolson instead of continuing to chase Allie she could have intersected the passing lane between Sloot and Dolson. The thing is that Sims had lost Allie long before she even got to Dolson who was trying to set an unnecessary pick on her. As Clay mentioned in his evaluation of Sims, she really doesn't even play good
man to man defense. Her quickness fools people.
As I stated she made two defensive errors that allowed Allie to get free before the switch even came into play. The first was playing her too close. The second losing focus on her man (she was watching the Vandersloot driving around the picks. Allie reversed her direction leaving Sims running away from her. She had and should have realized that she had totally lost her man and stayed with Dolson. To at least cut off the passing lane or not allow her such an open shot. If worse came to worse she could have fouled her as she received the pass and not in the act of shooting.
As to Parker doubling Quigley. Not a good idea. To begin with she was too far away from her to actually do an effective double. Second you are dealing with Vandersloot who is at least one of the best points in the world. I dont think you are going to put her in a position where she doesn't make that pass. You just done leave Quigley open ever. --this year at least.
Clay explained Sims defensive liabilities very well. Just in the last bunch of games she has received more than one 3 pt shooting foul call against her. This is because she does not rotate quickly enough and runs into the shooter attempting to recover her mistake using her speed. I have also noticed the same thing in respect to fast players coming out of high school, They often have used their athleticism to compensate for defensive errors and at that level have gotten away with not developing better technique. When they get to the next level their weaknesses are exposed. The same also applies to their offense.
I mentioned in my post that I felt that both those errors were sort of due to a lack of court spacing recognition. ( not really the proper terms ). I wonder if that aspect of the game can really be learned. That ability is what separates the good from the elite. It allows them to think moves ahead of their next pass. They not only can recognize the open player but the player who is in the best position to get an assist with the next pass. Good QB also have that ability. To see the entire playing field or court and play the game like a chess master. |
You're right about her man to man defense not being good which is why I'm questioning Brian having her being in the game when they needed a stop. Carson should been in for Gray or Sims because of their defense issues. Speaking of Sims defense she wasnt even facing Allie on the inbound play she was facing the another basket and she was a few feet behind Allie which made the inbound pass to Sloot easy.
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