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Shades



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PostPosted: 08/14/17 11:14 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Randy wrote:
I'm certainly glad the Storm are getting all this negative covfefe since it takes the spotlight off my 3 All Star team that is now worse than last season (and just as bad as the Storm now.)


The Storm has their franchise player(s).



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PostPosted: 08/21/17 8:36 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Code:
+-    Team              TY       LY
+8    Connecticut      19-10    11-18
+5    Dallas           14-16     9-21
+5    Washington       17-12    12-17
+2    Phoenix          15-14    13-16
+1    San Antonio       7-23     6-24
+1    Seattle          14-16    13-17
-1    Minnesota        22-6     23-5
-3    Los Angeles      21-8     24-5
-3    New York         17-12    20-9
-4    Chicago          11-18    15-14
-6    Atlanta          10-20    16-14
-6    Indiana           9-21    15-15



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PostPosted: 08/21/17 10:15 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The importance of elite players in basketball: The three teams at the bottom of the Changes list (thanks pilight) each lost an Olympian.



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PostPosted: 08/21/17 10:22 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
The importance of elite players in basketball: The three teams at the bottom of the Changes list (thanks pilight) each lost an Olympian.


Los Angeles doesn't have any elite players by your definition. They won a championship last season. Maybe you can surmise that winning a championship once without elite players (through luck, bad reffing, what have you), but sustaining that kind of pinnacle of success is unlikely.



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PostPosted: 08/21/17 10:25 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
The importance of elite players in basketball: The three teams at the bottom of the Changes list (thanks pilight) each lost an Olympian.


The Sparks are without the services of their Olympian, Ana Dabovic, and seem to be doing just fine, though I suppose some of that has to do with them brining back their only other Olympian in Sandrine Gruda. Smile


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PostPosted: 08/21/17 11:54 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

NY is switching it up.

The last two seasons they've had very impressive regular seasons from the start and then sputtered out. This year mediocre, slowly improving, look out playoffs, here we come for a deep run (maybe?).


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PostPosted: 08/21/17 2:37 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
The importance of elite players in basketball: The three teams at the bottom of the Changes list (thanks pilight) each lost an Olympian.


I think this calls into question the Win Shares calculation. According to basketball ref. last season Catchings was worth 3.8 WS, while Angel was worth 3.1. So far, both teams 6 games worse, and in Atlanta's case they have a better supporting cast this season.


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PostPosted: 08/21/17 3:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
ClayK wrote:
The importance of elite players in basketball: The three teams at the bottom of the Changes list (thanks pilight) each lost an Olympian.


Los Angeles doesn't have any elite players by your definition. They won a championship last season. Maybe you can surmise that winning a championship once without elite players (through luck, bad reffing, what have you), but sustaining that kind of pinnacle of success is unlikely.


He didn't explicitly define "elite player", but I don't think he was implying that it was only players chosen by Geno Auriemma for the Olympic team.


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PostPosted: 08/22/17 11:57 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
ClayK wrote:
The importance of elite players in basketball: The three teams at the bottom of the Changes list (thanks pilight) each lost an Olympian.


Los Angeles doesn't have any elite players by your definition. They won a championship last season. Maybe you can surmise that winning a championship once without elite players (through luck, bad reffing, what have you), but sustaining that kind of pinnacle of success is unlikely.


Being an Olympian isn't the only definition -- but CP3 has been an Olympian and Nneka should be.



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PostPosted: 08/22/17 12:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Nneka is elite. An elite role player Wink Laughing


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PostPosted: 08/28/17 7:50 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Code:
+-    Team              TY       LY
+9    Connecticut      20-11    11-20
+5    Washington       17-14    12-19
+4    Dallas           15-17    11-21
+2    Phoenix          16-16    14-18
 0    Los Angeles      24-8     24-8
 0    San Antonio       7-25     7-25
-1    New York         20-12    21-11
-1    Seattle          14-18    15-17
-2    Minnesota        24-7     26-5
-4    Atlanta          12-20    16-16
-4    Chicago          12-19    16-15
-7    Indiana           9-23    16-16



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PostPosted: 09/04/17 6:58 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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+-    Team              TY       LY
+7    Connecticut      21-13    14-20
+5    Dallas           16-18    11-23
+5    Washington       18-16    13-21
+2    Phoenix          18-16    16-18
+1    New York         22-12    21-13
+1    San Antonio       8-26     7-27
 0    Los Angeles      26-8     26-8
-1    Minnesota        27-7     28-6
-1    Seattle          15-19    16-18
-5    Atlanta          12-22    17-17
-6    Chicago          12-22    18-16
-8    Indiana           9-25    17-17



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PostPosted: 09/04/17 8:16 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
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+5    Washington       18-16    13-21
-6    Chicago          12-22    18-16


Elena Delle Donne for MVP.


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PostPosted: 09/04/17 9:05 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
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+7    Connecticut      21-13    14-20
-8    Indiana           9-25    17-17


Lynetta Kizer for MVP. Wink



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PostPosted: 09/05/17 1:43 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Aladyyn wrote:
Nneka is elite. An elite role player Wink Laughing


If Nneka is a role player what does that make Meesseman Rolling Eyes



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PostPosted: 09/05/17 5:06 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Michelle89 wrote:
Aladyyn wrote:
Nneka is elite. An elite role player Wink Laughing


If Nneka is a role player what does that make Meesseman Rolling Eyes


If we ignore my hopefully obvious exaggeration then yes, neither is fitting to be the leading player of a good team. I don't think you can win 20 games with either one as your best player.


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