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Who is a better franchise player?
Stewart
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PostPosted: 08/08/17 8:18 pm    ::: Jonquel Jones or Breanna Stewart? Reply Reply with quote

You're building a brand new team and have to pick between these two to be your franchise player. Who do you pick?


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PostPosted: 08/08/17 8:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I like Jones, and would be ecstatic to have her on my team. But to build a team around? Stewie, and it's not even close.



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PostPosted: 08/08/17 9:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

justintyme wrote:
I like Jones, and would be ecstatic to have her on my team. But to build a team around? Stewie, and it's not even close.


^ that.



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PostPosted: 08/08/17 9:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

They are both 2nd year players.

Stewart's numbers this season
49.4 FG%
38.1 3PT FG%
78.9 FT%
20.6 points per game
8.5 rebounds per game
33.2 minutes per game

Jones's numbers this season
53.8 FG%
46.2 3PT FG%
84.3 FT%
15.7 points per game
11.4 rebounds per game
28.3 minutes per game

Both players are great, but Jones is has had a better season and has not even tapped into her full potential. Stewart is already where she's gonna be for her entire career.

Jones by a LOOOOOONG shot is the team I'd build a franchise around and it's not even close. Stewart would be a nice compliment player to have play along side Jones though.


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PostPosted: 08/08/17 10:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I picked Jones too. Love Stewie and they're both special players. I think Stewie will get better too but Jones just has a lot more room to grow. She didn't have Geno for four years.



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PostPosted: 08/08/17 10:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Jones just offers more. I don't see Stewart as a post, never have. Jonquel can play inside & out, she can bang around in the paint and hang outside the arch. Stewart seems afraid of contact. Plus I've always felt Stewart was more suited as a SF than a PF.



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PostPosted: 08/08/17 10:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Stewart is probably more versatile, but Jones' game appears to be more closely aligned with my sensibilities, so I go with her. I'd say that she kind of reminds me of a young Yo Griffith, except that I never actually saw a young Yo Griffith.



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PostPosted: 08/09/17 2:52 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

sigur3 wrote:
justintyme wrote:
I like Jones, and would be ecstatic to have her on my team. But to build a team around? Stewie, and it's not even close.


^ that.


This. I dont think Stewart has reached her full potential yet. Heck there are even discussions that she still isnt the number 1 option in Bouceks offense and that she needs more shots.
Just look at the numbers she is putting up in only her 2nd season Shocked
Which star player had a better 2nd season in the WNBA then Stewart Question
Not Maya, not Taurasi, Parker, EDD, LJ etc. The only one that is close is Lisa Leslie's 2nd year.

Yes she can bulk up a bit more and get more effective in the post but she has plenty of time to develop her postgame even more.



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PostPosted: 08/09/17 5:37 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Stewart is going to be the best player in the league within 2 years. Jones is incredible but give me Stewie here.


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PostPosted: 08/09/17 6:46 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Jones.

I remember the first time i saw her on tv at GW. I actually yelled "wtf is that and how come I've never heard of her??!!"

I think she has more untapped potential and is more of a freak than Stewie. And i love Stewie.



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PostPosted: 08/09/17 7:55 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It really depends what your team needs. Jones is going to be the best rebounder in the league annually if she stays healthy and she's a terrific shooter at her size. However, she also doesn't really have a post move and Stewie also has the ability to show off guard-like skills in the open floor.



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PostPosted: 08/09/17 8:06 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I pick Stewart...20p/9r player with a legit post game.She's also a very good passer and defender.unfortunately,the unfair defensive responsibility placed on Stewart has negatively impacted her late game production.She looks exhausted and fatigued in the 4th quarter of every game.If seattle doesn't remedy the starting center situation they're going to take years off Stewart's career.Stewart will also become a injury prone player due to the added stress on her body.

If Seattle was smart,they'd find a way to acquire Alexander,Coates,Lavender or Stokes....Drafting Russell 2-4 would be too high.Maybe they could trade down and get a rotaion player plus a draft pick......Getting the #1 overall pick would solve the problem.


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PostPosted: 08/09/17 8:12 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Silky Johnson wrote:
Stewart is probably more versatile, but Jones' game appears to be more closely aligned with my sensibilities, so I go with her. I'd say that she kind of reminds me of a young Yo Griffith, except that I never actually saw a young Yo Griffith.


Great comparison , i see that also with her frame but not in her game. Her offensive skills are more of a variety than yo's back to the basket plays. Jonquel & Stewie could be our next 2 to watch when the big dogs all start retiring ! I voted jonquel only because shes relentless on the glass & can score from anywhere on the floor. Stewie can also do the same but jones has more of an effect on the game with her intangibles on offense and defense. Stewie will be an offensive force though !



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PostPosted: 08/09/17 9:25 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote:
It really depends what your team needs...


I presumed that the premise of the OP was that you're building a team from scratch, like an expansion team. So the question of what your team needs is almost irrelevant, because your team needs everything. The question, as I see it, was really more asking, what style of team do you want to have, and what kind of star do you want your team to be built around?



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PostPosted: 08/09/17 9:32 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
Silky Johnson wrote:
Stewart is probably more versatile, but Jones' game appears to be more closely aligned with my sensibilities, so I go with her. I'd say that she kind of reminds me of a young Yo Griffith, except that I never actually saw a young Yo Griffith.


Great comparison , i see that also with her frame but not in her game. Her offensive skills are more of a variety than yo's back to the basket plays. Jonquel & Stewie could be our next 2 to watch when the big dogs all start retiring ! I voted jonquel only because shes relentless on the glass & can score from anywhere on the floor. Stewie can also do the same but jones has more of an effect on the game with her intangibles on offense and defense. Stewie will be an offensive force though !


One of the best things about the WNBA being in season 21 is that we've reached the point where we can actually compare young WNBA players to WNBA players who came before them, as opposed to saying "X is the Magic Johnson/Michael Jordan/Scottie Pippen/Tim Duncan of the WNBA."

Although, if I were a player, I might throw some side-eye at anyone who compared me favorably to Coco Miller...



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Silky Johnson wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Silky Johnson wrote:
Stewart is probably more versatile, but Jones' game appears to be more closely aligned with my sensibilities, so I go with her. I'd say that she kind of reminds me of a young Yo Griffith, except that I never actually saw a young Yo Griffith.


Great comparison , i see that also with her frame but not in her game. Her offensive skills are more of a variety than yo's back to the basket plays. Jonquel & Stewie could be our next 2 to watch when the big dogs all start retiring ! I voted jonquel only because shes relentless on the glass & can score from anywhere on the floor. Stewie can also do the same but jones has more of an effect on the game with her intangibles on offense and defense. Stewie will be an offensive force though !


One of the best things about the WNBA being in season 21 is that we've reached the point where we can actually compare young WNBA players to WNBA players who came before them, as opposed to saying "X is the Magic Johnson/Michael Jordan/Scottie Pippen/Tim Duncan of the WNBA."

Although, if I were a player, I might throw some side-eye at anyone who compared me favorably to Coco Miller...



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PostPosted: 08/09/17 10:12 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

As always, the question is really "When will each of these players stop improving?"

If Jones gets better each year for the next five years and then plateaus, and Stewart gets better each year for the next three years and then plateaus, then Jones is the choice.

And, of course, vice versa.

But no one knows when a player will stop improving, and there's really no way to tell

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Stevie, she is just going to keep getting better. If we could just get a good ,and true center we might actually get back into the playoffs. But we need a new coach, Jenny just doesn't cut it.



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Stevie, she is just going to keep getting better. If we could just get a good ,and true center we might actually get back into the playoffs. But we need a new coach, Jenny just doesn't cut it.


The Sparks don't need a true center. Why can't the Storm emulate the Sparks? What would it take? I might be kicking it into full zune mode here. Maybe if Stewie would play the Candace Parker role as point forward. I do believe she has fallen off in that respect since last year. Then they need someone who is more Ogwumike than Langhorne. They might have to trade for Glory Johnson or Chiney.

They kinda do emulate the Sparks just not quite there
Candace Parker - Breanna Stewart
Nneka Ogwumike - Crystal Langhorne
Alana Beard - Alysha Clark
Odessey Sims - Jewell Loyd
Chelsea Gray - Sue Bird

Yeah, so maybe upgrade Alysha Clark with Gabby Williams, who can act as an additional point forward. Upgrade Langhorne with a bull in a China shop, add a little patience and you're almost there. They could probably use somebody fresher than Sue Bird, kinda like the Lynx could use somebody fresher than Whalen. Agler kinda had Gray fall into his lap. Kinda doubt he knew that he had someone that he could rely on this much. Who's that next Gray out there?



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Shades wrote:
Force10rulz wrote:
Stevie, she is just going to keep getting better. If we could just get a good ,and true center we might actually get back into the playoffs. But we need a new coach, Jenny just doesn't cut it.


The Sparks don't need a true center. Why can't the Storm emulate the Sparks? What would it take? I might be kicking it into full zune mode here. Maybe if Stewie would play the Candace Parker role as point forward. I do believe she has fallen off in that respect since last year. Then they need someone who is more Ogwumike than Langhorne. They might have to trade for Glory Johnson or Chiney.

They kinda do emulate the Sparks just not quite there
Candace Parker - Breanna Stewart
Nneka Ogwumike - Crystal Langhorne
Alana Beard - Alysha Clark
Odessey Sims - Jewell Loyd
Chelsea Gray - Sue Bird

Yeah, so maybe upgrade Alysha Clark with Gabby Williams, who can act as an additional point forward. Upgrade Langhorne with a bull in a China shop, add a little patience and you're almost there. They could probably use somebody fresher than Sue Bird, kinda like the Lynx could use somebody fresher than Whalen. Agler kinda had Gray fall into his lap. Kinda doubt he knew that he had someone that he could rely on this much. Who's that next Gray out there?



Gabby = A. Clark . Eventually i believe gabby will be the better player but i dont see much of an upgrade with that pick if your wanting to replace Alysha.



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Gabby = A. Clark . Eventually i believe gabby will be the better player but i dont see much of an upgrade with that pick if your wanting to replace Alysha.


Gabby has an Olympic level of athleticism and is a great defender and facilitator in college. Let's see you say that about Clark. Plus Gabby goes to the WNBA boot camp known as UConn.



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Shades wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Gabby = A. Clark . Eventually i believe gabby will be the better player but i dont see much of an upgrade with that pick if your wanting to replace Alysha.


Gabby has an Olympic level of athleticism and is a great defender and facilitator in college. Let's see you say that about Clark. Plus Gabby goes to the WNBA boot camp known as UConn.



Lol so that automatically makes her better than a veteran ? What olympic level athletiscm ? Laughing Until she plays in the olympics for the SR national team then that quality will be valid. Not saying she doesnt have the potential to be there one day because she does but im not going to put all my chips on hope for a player who has not shown in my opinion to be better or an upgrade to Alysha Clark's skillset. Heck Id take DD Athletic abilities/gifts over gabby's any day.



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WNBA 09 wrote:
Silky Johnson wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Silky Johnson wrote:
Stewart is probably more versatile, but Jones' game appears to be more closely aligned with my sensibilities, so I go with her. I'd say that she kind of reminds me of a young Yo Griffith, except that I never actually saw a young Yo Griffith.


Great comparison , i see that also with her frame but not in her game. Her offensive skills are more of a variety than yo's back to the basket plays. Jonquel & Stewie could be our next 2 to watch when the big dogs all start retiring ! I voted jonquel only because shes relentless on the glass & can score from anywhere on the floor. Stewie can also do the same but jones has more of an effect on the game with her intangibles on offense and defense. Stewie will be an offensive force though !


One of the best things about the WNBA being in season 21 is that we've reached the point where we can actually compare young WNBA players to WNBA players who came before them, as opposed to saying "X is the Magic Johnson/Michael Jordan/Scottie Pippen/Tim Duncan of the WNBA."

Although, if I were a player, I might throw some side-eye at anyone who compared me favorably to Coco Miller...



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both.

but considering the values are fairly equal. then the conventional basketball wisdom is you build your team around the big.

physical plays win the battle as you see last night's game; jones did have an affect in the paint over stewie.

reminds me when lauren jackson won the battle over candace parker in the paint where parker definitely was better ball skill wise. but the physical presence of jackson gives the edge to lauren.



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Ima go with the player that scares me the most...

and that is Ms Jones. a Beast. She rebounds like a piranhas feasting for her lunch lol


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scrappy wrote:


but considering the values are fairly equal. then the conventional basketball wisdom is you build your team around the big.


Hmm. I disagree with that. Bigs, to me, are the least effective to build a team around. I would rather a star with a wide range of skills rather than just be able to beast down low. Think more the LeBron, Curry, Durant, and less Howard, Griffen, or Davis.

Stewart just has so many more facets to her game than Jones does. She is much more reliable on offense and has much better vision and ability to facilitate.



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As always, the question is really "When will each of these players stop improving?"

If Jones gets better each year for the next five years and then plateaus, and Stewart gets better each year for the next three years and then plateaus, then Jones is the choice.

And, of course, vice versa.

But no one knows when a player will stop improving, and there's really no way to tell

You pays yer money and you takes yer choice ...


But right now Jones is not at the same level scoring wise as Stewart not even close tbh so will Jones be able to average 20 pts per game next season or does it take her 2-3 more seasons to get there



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ClayK wrote:
As always, the question is really "When will each of these players stop improving?"

If Jones gets better each year for the next five years and then plateaus, and Stewart gets better each year for the next three years and then plateaus, then Jones is the choice.

And, of course, vice versa.

But no one knows when a player will stop improving, and there's really no way to tell

You pays yer money and you takes yer choice ...


But right now Jones is not at the same level scoring wise as Stewart not even close tbh so will Jones be able to average 20 pts per game next season or does it take her 2-3 more seasons to get there


Does she really need to ? With the system and support they have in Conn i dont think she needs to do that much . Can She ? Yes i believe she can , Could stewie average a double double for an entire season ???? hmmmmm



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Stewart or Jones? I'd rather have a referee on my side.


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PostPosted: 08/09/17 4:29 pm    ::: Re: Jonquel Jones or Breanna Stewart? Reply Reply with quote

barryi22 wrote:
You're building a brand new team and have to pick between these two to be your franchise player. Who do you pick?


great discussion. Thanks for starting this thread.



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WNBA 09 wrote:
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WNBA 09 wrote:
Gabby = A. Clark . Eventually i believe gabby will be the better player but i dont see much of an upgrade with that pick if your wanting to replace Alysha.


Gabby has an Olympic level of athleticism and is a great defender and facilitator in college. Let's see you say that about Clark. Plus Gabby goes to the WNBA boot camp known as UConn.



Lol so that automatically makes her better than a veteran ? What olympic level athletiscm ? Laughing Until she plays in the olympics for the SR national team then that quality will be valid. Not saying she doesnt have the potential to be there one day because she does but im not going to put all my chips on hope for a player who has not shown in my opinion to be better or an upgrade to Alysha Clark's skillset. Heck Id take DD Athletic abilities/gifts over gabby's any day.


Whenever the day DD can dominate in the post against Wilson/Coates or Turner for that matter, then we'll talk.

But to the original topic, Stewie. Not even close.


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WNBA 09 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
ClayK wrote:
As always, the question is really "When will each of these players stop improving?"

If Jones gets better each year for the next five years and then plateaus, and Stewart gets better each year for the next three years and then plateaus, then Jones is the choice.

And, of course, vice versa.

But no one knows when a player will stop improving, and there's really no way to tell

You pays yer money and you takes yer choice ...


But right now Jones is not at the same level scoring wise as Stewart not even close tbh so will Jones be able to average 20 pts per game next season or does it take her 2-3 more seasons to get there


Does she really need to ? With the system and support they have in Conn i dont think she needs to do that much . Can She ? Yes i believe she can , Could stewie average a double double for an entire season ???? hmmmmm

Yeah, it's not like Stewart was 0.7 rebounds per game away from averaging a double-double as a rookie, or the fastest player in WNBA history to 1000pts/500rebs or anything.

The really remarkable thing is that a player that no one was sure about before the 2016 draft has made this a legitimate debate in barely 16 months.



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I find it very hard to debate from a physical talent or skill perspective. Stewart fans can say she's a better scorer, but Jones fans can respond that Jonquel is the better rebounder. They can both score inside outside and both handle the ball well for bigs. If you throw in potential development as a variable, then this argument can go on forever.

One thing we can definitely say about Stewart, that is unproven about Jones, is that Breanna has withstood the pressure of attention and expectations with relatively little problem. She was the number 1 recruit out of high school and the unquestioned number 1 pick in the WNBA draft. Stewart has met all expectations and more. She even withstood the brouhaha surrounding her selection to the Olympic team over Parker. Stewie is unflappable. She lived through Geno's browbeating and embraced it to improve as a player. She has survived being the focal point of opponents' defensive game plans year after year. And note that Stewart always seemed to have her best games at tournament time when the lights were brightest. So, I'm pretty sold on Breanna's mental and emotional makeup. As long as she's healthy, Stewart will get the most out of her talent. Not saying Jonquel won't be solid too, but she hasn't been tested like Stewie. And we do have that small blip of her transferring from Clemson to GW. Not necessarily meaningful, but there's at least a question about why she had to leave. Bad decision to begin with? Couldn't adjust to someone or something? Again, maybe not important but it's there.

Stewart just seems impervious to pressure, expectations or outside distractions. Therefore, I see her as a safer bet.



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Stewart or Jones? I'd rather have a referee on my side.


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alright u stewie fans. while both have their merits of what and how. but if you look at the game last night that both of them were in the game, on the floor. who altered and dictated the game more?

JONQUEL JONES!!!



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That makes about as much sense as deciding who ought to be ROY, based on who did better head-to-head between Sykes and Gray. I mean, the answer to both questions might end up being the same, anyway, but that's kind of a shitty metric to hang the decision on. You might as well decide between Stewart and Jones based on who put up better numbers against the Fever.



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I don't care much for which player is better debates, but it occurred to me it might be interesting to look at Advanced Stats from BBRef;

Rk Player G MP PER TS% eFG% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1 Breanna Stewart 25 831 24.3 .598 .542 .303 .425 6.5 24.0 15.9 14.6 1.6 3.9 13.0 28.0 112 103 2.6 1.2 3.8 .219

1 Jonquel Jones 25 715 27.9 .637 .573 .158 .450 15.6 31.6 23.5 7.3 1.6 3.7 11.1 21.3 129 98 3.8 1.6 5.4 .362

On the WNBA advanced stats its not very close.

Stewart is 8th (not counting Boyd) while Jones is 4 in PIE. Fowles, Griner, Nneka are best.

Jones seems to get extra credit for being on a good team (look at OR and DR) which is sort of the point I guess.


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PostPosted: 08/09/17 9:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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That makes about as much sense as deciding who ought to be ROY, based on who did better head-to-head between Sykes and Gray. I mean, the answer to both questions might end up being the same, anyway, but that's kind of a shitty metric to hang the decision on. You might as well decide between Stewart and Jones based on who put up better numbers against the Fever.


it would makes sense if you look beyond numbers and stats. as i said, alter and dictate the game. the dynamic of the game is more than just who shoots and scores more.



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PostPosted: 08/09/17 9:56 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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That makes about as much sense as deciding who ought to be ROY, based on who did better head-to-head between Sykes and Gray. I mean, the answer to both questions might end up being the same, anyway, but that's kind of a shitty metric to hang the decision on. You might as well decide between Stewart and Jones based on who put up better numbers against the Fever.


it would makes sense if you look beyond numbers and stats. as i said, alter and dictate the game. the dynamic of the game is more than just who shoots and scores more.


I don't disagree with that, but the verbiage of your post made it sound like you think we should take last night's game in isolation, and make our decision based solely on that.



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PostPosted: 08/10/17 3:52 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Randy wrote:
I don't care much for which player is better debates, but it occurred to me it might be interesting to look at Advanced Stats from BBRef;

Rk Player G MP PER TS% eFG% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1 Breanna Stewart 25 831 24.3 .598 .542 .303 .425 6.5 24.0 15.9 14.6 1.6 3.9 13.0 28.0 112 103 2.6 1.2 3.8 .219

1 Jonquel Jones 25 715 27.9 .637 .573 .158 .450 15.6 31.6 23.5 7.3 1.6 3.7 11.1 21.3 129 98 3.8 1.6 5.4 .362

On the WNBA advanced stats its not very close.

Stewart is 8th (not counting Boyd) while Jones is 4 in PIE. Fowles, Griner, Nneka are best.

Jones seems to get extra credit for being on a good team (look at OR and DR) which is sort of the point I guess.

You can definitely make the argument that Jones is having a better season this year, but that's not necessarily the same thing as believing she's the better player or will be in future. Given the college production, plus last year and international play, Stewart's proven her quality over a longer period of time at this point. There's no real reason to believe that Jones can't continue being this good in future years, but outside of a few months in Korea this is basically the first time she's done it. The real stars do it year in and year out, which she still has to get to.

Health always ends up being a factor as well, and we have to see if Jones can continue to hold up under an increased workload. Although it'll help that she's Barbadian, and therefore basically gets to rest when other players will be with their international teams. The bidding war for her services would've been fierce if she was available internationally.



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PostPosted: 08/10/17 4:25 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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ClayK wrote:
As always, the question is really "When will each of these players stop improving?"

If Jones gets better each year for the next five years and then plateaus, and Stewart gets better each year for the next three years and then plateaus, then Jones is the choice.

And, of course, vice versa.

But no one knows when a player will stop improving, and there's really no way to tell

You pays yer money and you takes yer choice ...


But right now Jones is not at the same level scoring wise as Stewart not even close tbh so will Jones be able to average 20 pts per game next season or does it take her 2-3 more seasons to get there


Does she really need to ? With the system and support they have in Conn i dont think she needs to do that much . Can She ? Yes i believe she can , Could stewie average a double double for an entire season ???? hmmmmm


Stewart averaged 18,3 pts and 9,3 rebounds in her rookie season Laughing Laughing



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PostPosted: 08/10/17 8:11 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Michelle89 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
ClayK wrote:
As always, the question is really "When will each of these players stop improving?"

If Jones gets better each year for the next five years and then plateaus, and Stewart gets better each year for the next three years and then plateaus, then Jones is the choice.

And, of course, vice versa.

But no one knows when a player will stop improving, and there's really no way to tell

You pays yer money and you takes yer choice ...


But right now Jones is not at the same level scoring wise as Stewart not even close tbh so will Jones be able to average 20 pts per game next season or does it take her 2-3 more seasons to get there


Does she really need to ? With the system and support they have in Conn i dont think she needs to do that much . Can She ? Yes i believe she can , Could stewie average a double double for an entire season ???? hmmmmm


Stewart averaged 18,3 pts and 9,3 rebounds in her rookie season Laughing Laughing



But is that a double double for the "Entire" Season ?



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PostPosted: 08/10/17 11:16 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
ClayK wrote:
As always, the question is really "When will each of these players stop improving?"

If Jones gets better each year for the next five years and then plateaus, and Stewart gets better each year for the next three years and then plateaus, then Jones is the choice.

And, of course, vice versa.

But no one knows when a player will stop improving, and there's really no way to tell

You pays yer money and you takes yer choice ...


But right now Jones is not at the same level scoring wise as Stewart not even close tbh so will Jones be able to average 20 pts per game next season or does it take her 2-3 more seasons to get there


Does she really need to ? With the system and support they have in Conn i dont think she needs to do that much . Can She ? Yes i believe she can , Could stewie average a double double for an entire season ???? hmmmmm


Stewart averaged 18,3 pts and 9,3 rebounds in her rookie season Laughing Laughing



But is that a double double for the "Entire" Season ?


If you get a double-double (for example 15pts and 10 rebounds in every) in every game or you average 10 rebounds per game (1 game 9 rebounds and the other 11 etc.) then i dont see why the one is so much better then the other. Yes no one has had a double double in EVERY game of the season and tbh i dont see that happening very soon.



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PostPosted: 08/10/17 12:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Michelle89 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
ClayK wrote:
As always, the question is really "When will each of these players stop improving?"

If Jones gets better each year for the next five years and then plateaus, and Stewart gets better each year for the next three years and then plateaus, then Jones is the choice.

And, of course, vice versa.

But no one knows when a player will stop improving, and there's really no way to tell

You pays yer money and you takes yer choice ...


But right now Jones is not at the same level scoring wise as Stewart not even close tbh so will Jones be able to average 20 pts per game next season or does it take her 2-3 more seasons to get there


Does she really need to ? With the system and support they have in Conn i dont think she needs to do that much . Can She ? Yes i believe she can , Could stewie average a double double for an entire season ???? hmmmmm


Stewart averaged 18,3 pts and 9,3 rebounds in her rookie season Laughing Laughing



But is that a double double for the "Entire" Season ?


If you get a double-double (for example 15pts and 10 rebounds in every) in every game or you average 10 rebounds per game (1 game 9 rebounds and the other 11 etc.) then i dont see why the one is so much better then the other. Yes no one has had a double double in EVERY game of the season and tbh i dont see that happening very soon.


Ok your changing my original question . I asked if she could "Average" a double double for an ENTIRE season . Your responses were answering a question that was never asked. But w/e there both great end of story



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One thing to consider in Jones vs. Stewart is that Jones' game is more dependent on her raw athleticism, which to me would mean that wear and tear could have greater potential effect on Jones than Stewart. Not to say Stewart isn't athletic, because of course she is. But Jones' offense is by large majority putbacks and open 3s. She's not much of a creator of her own offense. OTOH there's a second thing to consider. That same principle might show higher untapped potential in Jones. She can certainly handle the open court. So what if she develops a high capacity to create her own offense, given that she has the capability? Even as somewhat of a raw player she's dominant in certain areas of the game. What happens when she gains polish?

It's an interesting comparison. Honestly I can't say right now which I'd rather have with certainty. Given their games right this second, I'd take Stewart because I value perimeter versatility and playmaking in a player. Especially when combined with length, rim protection potential, and rebounding. But Jones' upside is also hard to ignore.

Also, if you look at CT, they have a lot of depth on offense, and they have so many creators that it really opens weak-side offensive rebounding opportunities for Jones. Especially when either Thomas forces defenses to scramble through penetrations. If you put Jones on Seattle given the difference in their style of play, you might have a situation where her rebounds per game would be about 1-2 per game lower. So, the personnel each player has plays a role too.



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I know Breanna Stewart was #1 out of high school. Looked for Jones rating and found she was #17 by ESPN/Hoopgurlz, and #4 at her position. And, they list her at 6'2" (Stewart is listed at 6'3" by them versus the 6'4" she is currently listed at).

From the comments on her ESPN page, Jones improved a lot in high school.


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WNBA 09 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
ClayK wrote:
As always, the question is really "When will each of these players stop improving?"

If Jones gets better each year for the next five years and then plateaus, and Stewart gets better each year for the next three years and then plateaus, then Jones is the choice.

And, of course, vice versa.

But no one knows when a player will stop improving, and there's really no way to tell

You pays yer money and you takes yer choice ...


But right now Jones is not at the same level scoring wise as Stewart not even close tbh so will Jones be able to average 20 pts per game next season or does it take her 2-3 more seasons to get there


Does she really need to ? With the system and support they have in Conn i dont think she needs to do that much . Can She ? Yes i believe she can , Could stewie average a double double for an entire season ???? hmmmmm


Stewart averaged 18,3 pts and 9,3 rebounds in her rookie season Laughing Laughing



But is that a double double for the "Entire" Season ?


If you get a double-double (for example 15pts and 10 rebounds in every) in every game or you average 10 rebounds per game (1 game 9 rebounds and the other 11 etc.) then i dont see why the one is so much better then the other. Yes no one has had a double double in EVERY game of the season and tbh i dont see that happening very soon.


Ok your changing my original question . I asked if she could "Average" a double double for an ENTIRE season . Your responses were answering a question that was never asked. But w/e there both great end of story


No you asked something like pretending she couldnt do that by saying hmmm. So me and Richyyy responded that she was already close (0,7 rebound off averaging a double double) in her rookie year so i dont see no reason why she couldnt do that in the future.



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Michelle89 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
ClayK wrote:
As always, the question is really "When will each of these players stop improving?"

If Jones gets better each year for the next five years and then plateaus, and Stewart gets better each year for the next three years and then plateaus, then Jones is the choice.

And, of course, vice versa.

But no one knows when a player will stop improving, and there's really no way to tell

You pays yer money and you takes yer choice ...


But right now Jones is not at the same level scoring wise as Stewart not even close tbh so will Jones be able to average 20 pts per game next season or does it take her 2-3 more seasons to get there


Does she really need to ? With the system and support they have in Conn i dont think she needs to do that much . Can She ? Yes i believe she can , Could stewie average a double double for an entire season ???? hmmmmm


Stewart averaged 18,3 pts and 9,3 rebounds in her rookie season Laughing Laughing



But is that a double double for the "Entire" Season ?


If you get a double-double (for example 15pts and 10 rebounds in every) in every game or you average 10 rebounds per game (1 game 9 rebounds and the other 11 etc.) then i dont see why the one is so much better then the other. Yes no one has had a double double in EVERY game of the season and tbh i dont see that happening very soon.


Ok your changing my original question . I asked if she could "Average" a double double for an ENTIRE season . Your responses were answering a question that was never asked. But w/e there both great end of story


No you asked something like pretending she couldnt do that by saying hmmm. So me and Richyyy responded that she was already close (0,7 rebound off averaging a double double) in her rookie year so i dont see no reason why she couldnt do that in the future.


And your still circling around answering the original question . I didnt ask if she had been close i asked if she could and you began this rant as if i said shes not capable. Get over yourself already ive stated both are great players dont try & turn this into something else please



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Jones is a legit Cruiserweight while Stewart is a puffed up Super Middleweight. It would be no contest.



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