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Who should win MVP
Tina Charles
8%
 8%  [ 4 ]
Elena Delle Donne
2%
 2%  [ 1 ]
Sylvia Fowles
61%
 61%  [ 30 ]
Brittney Griner
10%
 10%  [ 5 ]
Nneka Ogwumike
6%
 6%  [ 3 ]
someone else
12%
 12%  [ 6 ]
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PostPosted: 08/07/17 7:19 am    ::: MVP Reply Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 08/07/17 9:36 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

After Fowles' terrible performance yesterday cost her team a game, I might as well vote for Nneka Ogwumike.


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Candace Parker has been coming on strong since the all star break, I would't count her out just yet.
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Parker? She isn't even the leading scorer on her team.



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PostPosted: 08/07/17 11:01 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Voted for Jonquel Jones this time. She's still averaging a double double, still the highest scorer on her team and still the leading rebounder in the league and her team is 3rd in the standings.

She won't win MVP but she is the obvious choice for MIP.


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PostPosted: 08/07/17 11:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Once again, an inadequate list of nominees, although I doubt Fowles loses MVP because she was over aggressive on defense and got into early foul trouble in a couple of games. The media panel doesn't choose MVP based on random simple algorithms. Some of their picks can be out of left field, like Catchings in 2011, therefore we should be given some left field options.



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PostPosted: 08/07/17 11:44 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Should be Stewart, hands down. Without her the Storm would be in last place.


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Shades wrote:
Once again, an inadequate list of nominees, although I doubt Fowles loses MVP because she was over aggressive on defense and got into early foul trouble in a couple of games. The media panel doesn't choose MVP based on random simple algorithms. Some of their picks can be out of left field, like Catchings in 2011, therefore we should be given some left field options.


If they were on the list then they wouldn't be out of left field



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PostPosted: 08/07/17 12:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Angus24 wrote:
Should be Stewart, hands down. Without her the Storm would be in last place.

With that argument, Vandersloot should be in the running.



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UK1996 wrote:
Angus24 wrote:
Should be Stewart, hands down. Without her the Storm would be in last place.

With that argument, Vandersloot should be in the running.


So Should Skylar !



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PostPosted: 08/07/17 1:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
UK1996 wrote:
Angus24 wrote:
Should be Stewart, hands down. Without her the Storm would be in last place.

With that argument, Vandersloot should be in the running.


So Should Skylar !


MVP isn't just best player on mediocre team—it takes more to go from being a good team to an elite/super elite team than it does to go from bad to mediocre. I'm sure, for example, the Stars would be at least mediocre if Fowles had the same season she's having this year on the Stars.


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SpaceJunkie wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
UK1996 wrote:
Angus24 wrote:
Should be Stewart, hands down. Without her the Storm would be in last place.

With that argument, Vandersloot should be in the running.


So Should Skylar !


MVP isn't just best player on mediocre team—it takes more to go from being a good team to an elite/super elite team than it does to go from bad to mediocre. I'm sure, for example, the Stars would be at least mediocre if Fowles had the same season she's having this year on the Stars.


But ROY can just be one individual doing well on a poor team though right ?



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PostPosted: 08/07/17 1:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
But ROY can just be one individual doing well on a poor team though right ?


Sure, it can be whoever they think is best?


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UK1996 wrote:
Angus24 wrote:
Should be Stewart, hands down. Without her the Storm would be in last place.

With that argument, Vandersloot should be in the running.


She should get at least some consideration if Sky make the playoffs. First half of the season hurts her case a lot though.


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PostPosted: 08/07/17 1:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I voted for godsylla. It will make the Lynx fans wonder what I'm up to.


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I voted for godsylla. It will make the Lynx fans wonder what I'm up to.


I'm watching you, Randy!



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SpaceJunkie wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
But ROY can just be one individual doing well on a poor team though right ?


Sure, it can be whoever they think is best?


So if they think is doing best for MVP happens to be on the worse team on the league do they still deserve the MVP award ?



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PostPosted: 08/07/17 2:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
SpaceJunkie wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
But ROY can just be one individual doing well on a poor team though right ?


Sure, it can be whoever they think is best?


So if they think is doing best for MVP happens to be on the worse team on the league do they still deserve the MVP award ?


I don't think it's possible for the worst team in the league to have the best player in the league in basketball, as it is right now. Smile

I didn't follow the WNBA back then, but it looks like the great Laruen Jackson still won MVP in 2003 when the Storm missed the playoffs, and another MVP in 2007 when the Storm were only .500.


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PostPosted: 08/07/17 3:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Also, they don't call it Most Valuable Rookie.



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Should be Stewart, hands down. Without her the Storm would be in last place.


And WITH her, they're currently not in a playoff spot. Rolling Eyes


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Ay Mate wrote:
Angus24 wrote:
Should be Stewart, hands down. Without her the Storm would be in last place.


And WITH her, they're currently not in a playoff spot. Rolling Eyes


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I think all the talk about being MVP has gone to Fowles head. The Lynx have won how many Championships without her on the team, so they don't need her to win games. How does that make her MVP?


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I think all the talk about being MVP has gone to Fowles head. The Lynx have won how many Championships without her on the team, so they don't need her to win games. How does that make her MVP?


Lynx wouldn't have won in 2015, wouldn't have won as many games last year, and especially this year without her. They didn't need her back when the Sparks were an inconsitent team before hiring Agler, and before Griner started playing like a superstar. Back then the Lynx could be undersized at center with the league's lack of elite centers of height.


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Once again, an inadequate list of nominees

If anything the list of options is unnecessarily long.
It could have just Syl and "other" and still wouldn't be close this season. One terrible week (she only averaged 15 & 10!) doesn't change that.



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Pilight can you start a who should be runner-up poll? Wink


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If only Griner didn't get injured...


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yes, Fowles is the clear MVP, but I'm still upset that Jonquel Jones continues to be left off the poll.



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toad455 wrote:
yes, Fowles is the clear MVP, but I'm still upset that Jonquel Jones continues to be left off the poll.


Because if, for example, Jones has 14 points and 14 rebounds in a win and Jasmine Thomas scores 15 points, Thomas gets pilight's MVP point for the game, because leading your team in scoring is all that matters, not rebounds, etc.


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SpaceJunkie wrote:
toad455 wrote:
yes, Fowles is the clear MVP, but I'm still upset that Jonquel Jones continues to be left off the poll.


Because if, for example, Jones has 14 points and 14 rebounds in a win and Jasmine Thomas scores 15 points, Thomas gets pilight's MVP point for the game, because leading your team in scoring is all that matters, not rebounds, etc.


That's generally what MVP voters respond to. Jones' 15.7 PPG would be the second lowest ever for an MVP. Only Catchings' career achievement award in 2011 would be lower.



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SpaceJunkie wrote:
toad455 wrote:
yes, Fowles is the clear MVP, but I'm still upset that Jonquel Jones continues to be left off the poll.


Because if, for example, Jones has 14 points and 14 rebounds in a win and Jasmine Thomas scores 15 points, Thomas gets pilight's MVP point for the game, because leading your team in scoring is all that matters, not rebounds, etc.


Meanwhile Alyssa is sitting quietly in the corner with her 14/6/5 averages.


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Luuuc wrote:
Shades wrote:
Once again, an inadequate list of nominees

If anything the list of options is unnecessarily long.
It could have just Syl and "other" and still wouldn't be close this season. One terrible week (she only averaged 15 & 10!) doesn't change that.


THIS!!!

I am not a Lynx fan but this award is Sylvia's to lose. Even if BG had stayed healthy, it is still Fowles award. As much as you might wish otherwise, the dominance by Fowles herself and her team says it all.


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pilight wrote:
SpaceJunkie wrote:
toad455 wrote:
yes, Fowles is the clear MVP, but I'm still upset that Jonquel Jones continues to be left off the poll.


Because if, for example, Jones has 14 points and 14 rebounds in a win and Jasmine Thomas scores 15 points, Thomas gets pilight's MVP point for the game, because leading your team in scoring is all that matters, not rebounds, etc.


That's generally what MVP voters respond to. Jones' 15.7 PPG would be the second lowest ever for an MVP. Only Catchings' career achievement award in 2011 would be lower.


Isn't "generally" what happens most often? I took the time to do the research to find that only twice in the last 9 years did the highest scoring ppg win the MVP.

http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?t=92110&start=25



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Shades wrote:
pilight wrote:
SpaceJunkie wrote:
toad455 wrote:
yes, Fowles is the clear MVP, but I'm still upset that Jonquel Jones continues to be left off the poll.


Because if, for example, Jones has 14 points and 14 rebounds in a win and Jasmine Thomas scores 15 points, Thomas gets pilight's MVP point for the game, because leading your team in scoring is all that matters, not rebounds, etc.


That's generally what MVP voters respond to. Jones' 15.7 PPG would be the second lowest ever for an MVP. Only Catchings' career achievement award in 2011 would be lower.


Isn't "generally" what happens most often? I took the time to do the research to find that only twice in the last 9 years did the highest scoring ppg win the MVP.

http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?t=92110&start=25


The MVP is generally higher than 15th in scoring



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The MVP is generally higher than 15th in scoring


What about for the 2nd-5th place finishers in MVP? Smile


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SpaceJunkie wrote:
toad455 wrote:
yes, Fowles is the clear MVP, but I'm still upset that Jonquel Jones continues to be left off the poll.


Because if, for example, Jones has 14 points and 14 rebounds in a win and Jasmine Thomas scores 15 points, Thomas gets pilight's MVP point for the game, because leading your team in scoring is all that matters, not rebounds, etc.


Tbh Jasmine Thomas makes a case for being the best player on her team. It's certainly close between her and JJ (and even A Thomas).



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SpaceJunkie wrote:
pilight wrote:
The MVP is generally higher than 15th in scoring


What about for the 2nd-5th place finishers in MVP? Smile


Here are the 2-5th place MVP finishers from the last five years along with their scoring rank:

2016
Tina Charles 1st
Maya Moore 5th
Elena Delle Donne 2nd
Candace Parker 11th

2015
Maya Moore 2nd
Tina Charles 6th
Brittney Griner 13th
Candace Parker 4th

2014
Diana Taurasi 9th
Angel McCoughtry 4th
Candace Parker 3rd
Brittney Griner 12th

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Maya Moore 3rd
Elena Delle Donne 4th
Sylvia Fowles 11th
Angel McCoughtry 1st

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Candace Parker 6th
Tamika Catchings 7th
Maya Moore 3rd
Seimone Augustus 10th


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Aladyyn wrote:
SpaceJunkie wrote:
toad455 wrote:
yes, Fowles is the clear MVP, but I'm still upset that Jonquel Jones continues to be left off the poll.


Because if, for example, Jones has 14 points and 14 rebounds in a win and Jasmine Thomas scores 15 points, Thomas gets pilight's MVP point for the game, because leading your team in scoring is all that matters, not rebounds, etc.


Meanwhile Alyssa is sitting quietly in the corner with her 14/6/5 averages.


And also leading the league in Turnovers Embarassed



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To me MVP means player most crucial to the success of their team. That player needs to stand out as the crucial cog on their tea. On a well balanced team it is hard to identify a MVP. Are Fowles or Griner as crucial to the success of their teams as Stewart is to hers? Not even close in my opinion.


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To me MVP means player most crucial to the success of their team. That player needs to stand out as the crucial cog on their tea. On a well balanced team it is hard to identify a MVP. Are Fowles or Griner as crucial to the success of their teams as Stewart is to hers? Not even close in my opinion.


Is Stewart's play leading to success of her team? Not even close.


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To me MVP means player most crucial to the success of their team. That player needs to stand out as the crucial cog on their tea. On a well balanced team it is hard to identify a MVP. Are Fowles or Griner as crucial to the success of their teams as Stewart is to hers? Not even close in my opinion.


The flip side is that Seattle hasn't had much success this year. The Mercury are 2-5 since Griner went out, so she appears to be pretty crucial to their success.



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Every team has an MVP although on some teams that are really well balanced that player may be hard to identify. My argument is that Stewart stands out from the rest of her team more than any other team MPV and this is not a function of the success of the team. I am not a Storm fan in case anybody thinks I am promoting Stewart for that reason. Strict definition of the league MVP can be a bit fuzzy I think.


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Every team has an MVP although on some teams that are really well balanced that player may be hard to identify. My argument is that Stewart stands out from the rest of her team more than any other team MPV and this is not a function of the success of the team. I am not a Storm fan in case anybody thinks I am promoting Stewart for that reason. Strict definition of the league MVP can be a bit fuzzy I think.


Im a Storm fan and i dont think Stewart is the MVP. She is putting up fantastic numbers though but it doesnt lead to success yet and that is what valueable means. Getting wins for your team. Tbh its not her fault. I blame the coach and the GM for the construction of this team. The balance around Stewie just isnt there



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Angus24 wrote:
Every team has an MVP although on some teams that are really well balanced that player may be hard to identify. My argument is that Stewart stands out from the rest of her team more than any other team MPV and this is not a function of the success of the team. I am not a Storm fan in case anybody thinks I am promoting Stewart for that reason. Strict definition of the league MVP can be a bit fuzzy I think.


Im a Storm fan and i dont think Stewart is the MVP. She is putting up fantastic numbers though but it doesnt lead to success yet and that is what valueable means. Getting wins for your team. Tbh its not her fault. I blame the coach and the GM for the construction of this team. The balance around Stewie just isnt there


How long you think before stewie recognizes that and pulls an EDD ? Demanding a Trade to NY to play with Tina Cool



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Michelle89 wrote:
Angus24 wrote:
Every team has an MVP although on some teams that are really well balanced that player may be hard to identify. My argument is that Stewart stands out from the rest of her team more than any other team MPV and this is not a function of the success of the team. I am not a Storm fan in case anybody thinks I am promoting Stewart for that reason. Strict definition of the league MVP can be a bit fuzzy I think.


Im a Storm fan and i dont think Stewart is the MVP. She is putting up fantastic numbers though but it doesnt lead to success yet and that is what valueable means. Getting wins for your team. Tbh its not her fault. I blame the coach and the GM for the construction of this team. The balance around Stewie just isnt there


How long you think before stewie recognizes that and pulls an EDD ? Demanding a Trade to NY to play with Tina Cool


I think she likes it in Seattle and she is good friends with her teammates so far i can see from her snapchat so i dont think she is going anywhere but the coach and GM are Laughing



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Michelle89 wrote:
Angus24 wrote:
Every team has an MVP although on some teams that are really well balanced that player may be hard to identify. My argument is that Stewart stands out from the rest of her team more than any other team MPV and this is not a function of the success of the team. I am not a Storm fan in case anybody thinks I am promoting Stewart for that reason. Strict definition of the league MVP can be a bit fuzzy I think.


Im a Storm fan and i dont think Stewart is the MVP. She is putting up fantastic numbers though but it doesnt lead to success yet and that is what valueable means. Getting wins for your team. Tbh its not her fault. I blame the coach and the GM for the construction of this team. The balance around Stewie just isnt there


How long you think before stewie recognizes that and pulls an EDD ? Demanding a Trade to NY to play with Tina Cool


I think she likes it in Seattle and she is good friends with her teammates so far i can see from her snapchat so i dont think she is going anywhere but the coach and GM are Laughing


Same was said about EDD Idea



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Michelle89 wrote:
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Every team has an MVP although on some teams that are really well balanced that player may be hard to identify. My argument is that Stewart stands out from the rest of her team more than any other team MPV and this is not a function of the success of the team. I am not a Storm fan in case anybody thinks I am promoting Stewart for that reason. Strict definition of the league MVP can be a bit fuzzy I think.


Im a Storm fan and i dont think Stewart is the MVP. She is putting up fantastic numbers though but it doesnt lead to success yet and that is what valueable means. Getting wins for your team. Tbh its not her fault. I blame the coach and the GM for the construction of this team. The balance around Stewie just isnt there


How long you think before stewie recognizes that and pulls an EDD ? Demanding a Trade to NY to play with Tina Cool


Won't happen. Stewart has class and would never demand a trade or threaten to sit out. Class is something Charles and EDD have none of. Same goes for Fowles.


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Still not sure why Fowles is being put in the same light as Charles or EDD. Fowles put in 7 years in Chicago and after that she wanted out when she was a free agent.



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Still not sure why Fowles is being put in the same light as Charles or EDD. Fowles put in 7 years in Chicago and after that she wanted out when she was a free agent.


She's been put in the same light becasue like Charles and EDD, she threatened the Sky to either trade her to the Lynx and no one else or else she was sitting out. Essentially holding her team hostage. I have no use for players that do that.


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PostPosted: 08/08/17 10:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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adamj95 wrote:
Still not sure why Fowles is being put in the same light as Charles or EDD. Fowles put in 7 years in Chicago and after that she wanted out when she was a free agent.


She's been put in the same light becasue like Charles and EDD, she threatened the Sky to either trade her to the Lynx and no one else or else she was sitting out. Essentially holding her team hostage. I have no use for players that do that.

They could have chosen not to core her. Chicago singled out an unhappy player who wanted to become an UFA like every other non-cored player and choose her new home.

While it was Chicago's right to do that under the CBA, it was just as much her right to refuse to sign that contract and leave the league if they refused to trade her rights. Let's not pretend that Chicago was blindsided by this. They cored her because they wanted to get something in return for her instead of losing her for free. She used her leverage to get to the team she had been planning on signing with. So she held her team hostage just as much as they were tryibg to hold her hostage. She put in her time with Chicago.



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PostPosted: 08/09/17 2:54 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Angus24 wrote:
Every team has an MVP although on some teams that are really well balanced that player may be hard to identify. My argument is that Stewart stands out from the rest of her team more than any other team MPV and this is not a function of the success of the team. I am not a Storm fan in case anybody thinks I am promoting Stewart for that reason. Strict definition of the league MVP can be a bit fuzzy I think.


Im a Storm fan and i dont think Stewart is the MVP. She is putting up fantastic numbers though but it doesnt lead to success yet and that is what valueable means. Getting wins for your team. Tbh its not her fault. I blame the coach and the GM for the construction of this team. The balance around Stewie just isnt there


How long you think before stewie recognizes that and pulls an EDD ? Demanding a Trade to NY to play with Tina Cool


I think she likes it in Seattle and she is good friends with her teammates so far i can see from her snapchat so i dont think she is going anywhere but the coach and GM are Laughing


Same was said about EDD Idea


I heard that EDD was not friends with her teammates outside of basketball.



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