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Who should win MVP |
Tina Charles |
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8% |
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Elena Delle Donne |
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2% |
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Sylvia Fowles |
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61% |
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Brittney Griner |
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10% |
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Nneka Ogwumike |
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6% |
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someone else |
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12% |
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Aladyyn
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Posted: 08/07/17 7:14 pm ::: |
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If only Griner didn't get injured...
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toad455
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Posted: 08/07/17 7:30 pm ::: |
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yes, Fowles is the clear MVP, but I'm still upset that Jonquel Jones continues to be left off the poll.
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SpaceJunkie
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Posted: 08/07/17 8:00 pm ::: |
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toad455 wrote: |
yes, Fowles is the clear MVP, but I'm still upset that Jonquel Jones continues to be left off the poll. |
Because if, for example, Jones has 14 points and 14 rebounds in a win and Jasmine Thomas scores 15 points, Thomas gets pilight's MVP point for the game, because leading your team in scoring is all that matters, not rebounds, etc.
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pilight
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Posted: 08/07/17 8:05 pm ::: |
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SpaceJunkie wrote: |
toad455 wrote: |
yes, Fowles is the clear MVP, but I'm still upset that Jonquel Jones continues to be left off the poll. |
Because if, for example, Jones has 14 points and 14 rebounds in a win and Jasmine Thomas scores 15 points, Thomas gets pilight's MVP point for the game, because leading your team in scoring is all that matters, not rebounds, etc. |
That's generally what MVP voters respond to. Jones' 15.7 PPG would be the second lowest ever for an MVP. Only Catchings' career achievement award in 2011 would be lower.
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Aladyyn
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Posted: 08/07/17 8:06 pm ::: |
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SpaceJunkie wrote: |
toad455 wrote: |
yes, Fowles is the clear MVP, but I'm still upset that Jonquel Jones continues to be left off the poll. |
Because if, for example, Jones has 14 points and 14 rebounds in a win and Jasmine Thomas scores 15 points, Thomas gets pilight's MVP point for the game, because leading your team in scoring is all that matters, not rebounds, etc. |
Meanwhile Alyssa is sitting quietly in the corner with her 14/6/5 averages.
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sportsfan48
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Posted: 08/07/17 8:42 pm ::: |
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Luuuc wrote: |
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Once again, an inadequate list of nominees |
If anything the list of options is unnecessarily long.
It could have just Syl and "other" and still wouldn't be close this season. One terrible week (she only averaged 15 & 10!) doesn't change that. |
THIS!!!
I am not a Lynx fan but this award is Sylvia's to lose. Even if BG had stayed healthy, it is still Fowles award. As much as you might wish otherwise, the dominance by Fowles herself and her team says it all.
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Shades
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Posted: 08/07/17 9:09 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
SpaceJunkie wrote: |
toad455 wrote: |
yes, Fowles is the clear MVP, but I'm still upset that Jonquel Jones continues to be left off the poll. |
Because if, for example, Jones has 14 points and 14 rebounds in a win and Jasmine Thomas scores 15 points, Thomas gets pilight's MVP point for the game, because leading your team in scoring is all that matters, not rebounds, etc. |
That's generally what MVP voters respond to. Jones' 15.7 PPG would be the second lowest ever for an MVP. Only Catchings' career achievement award in 2011 would be lower. |
Isn't "generally" what happens most often? I took the time to do the research to find that only twice in the last 9 years did the highest scoring ppg win the MVP.
http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?t=92110&start=25
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pilight
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Posted: 08/07/17 9:12 pm ::: |
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Shades wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
SpaceJunkie wrote: |
toad455 wrote: |
yes, Fowles is the clear MVP, but I'm still upset that Jonquel Jones continues to be left off the poll. |
Because if, for example, Jones has 14 points and 14 rebounds in a win and Jasmine Thomas scores 15 points, Thomas gets pilight's MVP point for the game, because leading your team in scoring is all that matters, not rebounds, etc. |
That's generally what MVP voters respond to. Jones' 15.7 PPG would be the second lowest ever for an MVP. Only Catchings' career achievement award in 2011 would be lower. |
Isn't "generally" what happens most often? I took the time to do the research to find that only twice in the last 9 years did the highest scoring ppg win the MVP.
http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?t=92110&start=25 |
The MVP is generally higher than 15th in scoring
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Michelle89
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Posted: 08/08/17 3:11 am ::: |
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SpaceJunkie wrote: |
toad455 wrote: |
yes, Fowles is the clear MVP, but I'm still upset that Jonquel Jones continues to be left off the poll. |
Because if, for example, Jones has 14 points and 14 rebounds in a win and Jasmine Thomas scores 15 points, Thomas gets pilight's MVP point for the game, because leading your team in scoring is all that matters, not rebounds, etc. |
Tbh Jasmine Thomas makes a case for being the best player on her team. It's certainly close between her and JJ (and even A Thomas).
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Angus24
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Posted: 08/08/17 11:24 am ::: |
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To me MVP means player most crucial to the success of their team. That player needs to stand out as the crucial cog on their tea. On a well balanced team it is hard to identify a MVP. Are Fowles or Griner as crucial to the success of their teams as Stewart is to hers? Not even close in my opinion.
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PUmatty
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Posted: 08/08/17 11:31 am ::: |
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Angus24 wrote: |
To me MVP means player most crucial to the success of their team. That player needs to stand out as the crucial cog on their tea. On a well balanced team it is hard to identify a MVP. Are Fowles or Griner as crucial to the success of their teams as Stewart is to hers? Not even close in my opinion. |
Is Stewart's play leading to success of her team? Not even close.
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pilight
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Posted: 08/08/17 11:35 am ::: |
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Angus24 wrote: |
To me MVP means player most crucial to the success of their team. That player needs to stand out as the crucial cog on their tea. On a well balanced team it is hard to identify a MVP. Are Fowles or Griner as crucial to the success of their teams as Stewart is to hers? Not even close in my opinion. |
The flip side is that Seattle hasn't had much success this year. The Mercury are 2-5 since Griner went out, so she appears to be pretty crucial to their success.
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Posted: 08/08/17 12:16 pm ::: |
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Every team has an MVP although on some teams that are really well balanced that player may be hard to identify. My argument is that Stewart stands out from the rest of her team more than any other team MPV and this is not a function of the success of the team. I am not a Storm fan in case anybody thinks I am promoting Stewart for that reason. Strict definition of the league MVP can be a bit fuzzy I think.
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Michelle89
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Posted: 08/08/17 1:25 pm ::: |
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Angus24 wrote: |
Every team has an MVP although on some teams that are really well balanced that player may be hard to identify. My argument is that Stewart stands out from the rest of her team more than any other team MPV and this is not a function of the success of the team. I am not a Storm fan in case anybody thinks I am promoting Stewart for that reason. Strict definition of the league MVP can be a bit fuzzy I think. |
Im a Storm fan and i dont think Stewart is the MVP. She is putting up fantastic numbers though but it doesnt lead to success yet and that is what valueable means. Getting wins for your team. Tbh its not her fault. I blame the coach and the GM for the construction of this team. The balance around Stewie just isnt there
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adamj95
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Posted: 08/08/17 10:01 pm ::: |
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Still not sure why Fowles is being put in the same light as Charles or EDD. Fowles put in 7 years in Chicago and after that she wanted out when she was a free agent.
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Ay Mate
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Posted: 08/08/17 10:09 pm ::: |
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adamj95 wrote: |
Still not sure why Fowles is being put in the same light as Charles or EDD. Fowles put in 7 years in Chicago and after that she wanted out when she was a free agent. |
She's been put in the same light becasue like Charles and EDD, she threatened the Sky to either trade her to the Lynx and no one else or else she was sitting out. Essentially holding her team hostage. I have no use for players that do that.
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Posted: 08/08/17 10:17 pm ::: |
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Ay Mate wrote: |
adamj95 wrote: |
Still not sure why Fowles is being put in the same light as Charles or EDD. Fowles put in 7 years in Chicago and after that she wanted out when she was a free agent. |
She's been put in the same light becasue like Charles and EDD, she threatened the Sky to either trade her to the Lynx and no one else or else she was sitting out. Essentially holding her team hostage. I have no use for players that do that. |
They could have chosen not to core her. Chicago singled out an unhappy player who wanted to become an UFA like every other non-cored player and choose her new home.
While it was Chicago's right to do that under the CBA, it was just as much her right to refuse to sign that contract and leave the league if they refused to trade her rights. Let's not pretend that Chicago was blindsided by this. They cored her because they wanted to get something in return for her instead of losing her for free. She used her leverage to get to the team she had been planning on signing with. So she held her team hostage just as much as they were tryibg to hold her hostage. She put in her time with Chicago.
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