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PostPosted: 08/07/17 9:02 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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If you're looking for someone who can play PG at the pro level, Nurse is not your girl.


Could be starting at PG for UConn. It'll be interesting to see how they work out all the talent on their roster.


Trust me, when I say..she's not a point guard.

If New York fans don't like Bria at PG....they REALLY won't like Nurse at PG.

Geno likes "guards" that are interchangeable. And she can do that a bit. (And don't take this the wrong way, Nurse is one of my favorite players on the roster..she's just not a PG. )



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PostPosted: 08/07/17 9:29 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

mercfan3 wrote:
Shades wrote:
mercfan3 wrote:

If you're looking for someone who can play PG at the pro level, Nurse is not your girl.


Could be starting at PG for UConn. It'll be interesting to see how they work out all the talent on their roster.


Trust me, when I say..she's not a point guard.

If New York fans don't like Bria at PG....they REALLY won't like Nurse at PG.

Geno likes "guards" that are interchangeable. And she can do that a bit. (And don't take this the wrong way, Nurse is one of my favorite players on the roster..she's just not a PG. )


Nurse would best fit At 2 but she cant score so she could slide to the 3 in the W but she wont have the size to defend the likes of Maya , Angel ect...



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PostPosted: 08/07/17 10:47 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I thought UConn had a hot new Frosh PG this year? Is she not ready? Or not as hot as thought?



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PostPosted: 08/07/17 10:56 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I also would like to stay in the 5 to 7 range for the players I like.This is a deep draft. It is not as strong at the top but I think late 1st round and some second round will be rotation players.


Wilson, Deshields, Mitchell, Williams, Turner, Canada, Billings, Brown, Nared, Nurse, Vadeeva, that is 12 right there, Vivians, Thomas, Scaife, Greenwell, Mavunga, Harper, Atkins, Macarty, That is 20 and i am sure there is another decent 4 or 5 I am forgetting and that doesn't include any early entries add say Stevens and Mcgowan and the draft is deep with legit roster making player.


yeah its deep with solid Prospects players, i think Wilson and Mitchell are my 2 locks to be immediate impact. Gabby, Deshields and Canada can be impact if they are on the right team/fit

Gabby, Mitchell, Nared, Canada, Billings, and L. Brown, i'd be happy with in the 1st round

i watched some of the U23 trails of the Gold Medal game, Mitchell, Canada, Nared, Billings, Harper and Atkins caught my eye

and also keep an eye on Raigyne Moncrief from LSU this season coming up, great mid range game, great speed and great defense. she would be a nice sleeper pick in the 2nd or 3rd round


Of course, we never know, but ...

A'ja Wilson and Kelsey Mitchell seem like solid picks. Gabby Williams is likely to succeed if they can find her a position, and the same with Nurse, really.

I've never been that dazzled with Nared, and both she and Russell come from a program that doesn't prepare kids for the pros that well.

DeShields is a mystery. Canada can't shoot, Lexie Brown's A/TO is shaky, but one or all three could develop into solid WNBA players.

Is there any indication Vadeeva will play in the league?

I do think this draft is better than the last one, but being able to count on any pick past number four to contribute is wishful thinking. Could happen, of course, but for me, only Wilson and Mitchell look like anything close to sure things.



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PostPosted: 08/07/17 12:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Even if players have talent, we've seen how the right fit still matters. If Jefferson weren't injured, Plum might be buried on the bench right now. If Coates wasn't herself injured, she might've been stuck playing behind Dolson, Boyette, DeSouza, and Parker. Shatori Walker Kimbrough looks great on paper. She has good height for her position, good speed and athleticism, was a very good college defender, and can flat out shoot the ball. Nonetheless, she has seen very limited minutes in DC. I know SWK got an emergency start the other day, but by now her confidence must be somewhat shaken.

The veterans ahead of you, system, role, coaching style are all major factors in a player's success. I seriously doubt that all 12 first round picks are going to end up in favorable situations. No matter how talented they are, not everyone is going to find significant playing time in her rookie season.



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PostPosted: 08/07/17 1:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
LibFan25 wrote:
J-Spoon wrote:
I also would like to stay in the 5 to 7 range for the players I like.This is a deep draft. It is not as strong at the top but I think late 1st round and some second round will be rotation players.


Wilson, Deshields, Mitchell, Williams, Turner, Canada, Billings, Brown, Nared, Nurse, Vadeeva, that is 12 right there, Vivians, Thomas, Scaife, Greenwell, Mavunga, Harper, Atkins, Macarty, That is 20 and i am sure there is another decent 4 or 5 I am forgetting and that doesn't include any early entries add say Stevens and Mcgowan and the draft is deep with legit roster making player.


yeah its deep with solid Prospects players, i think Wilson and Mitchell are my 2 locks to be immediate impact. Gabby, Deshields and Canada can be impact if they are on the right team/fit

Gabby, Mitchell, Nared, Canada, Billings, and L. Brown, i'd be happy with in the 1st round

i watched some of the U23 trails of the Gold Medal game, Mitchell, Canada, Nared, Billings, Harper and Atkins caught my eye

and also keep an eye on Raigyne Moncrief from LSU this season coming up, great mid range game, great speed and great defense. she would be a nice sleeper pick in the 2nd or 3rd round


Of course, we never know, but ...

A'ja Wilson and Kelsey Mitchell seem like solid picks. Gabby Williams is likely to succeed if they can find her a position, and the same with Nurse, really.

I've never been that dazzled with Nared, and both she and Russell come from a program that doesn't prepare kids for the pros that well.

DeShields is a mystery. Canada can't shoot, Lexie Brown's A/TO is shaky, but one or all three could develop into solid WNBA players.

Is there any indication Vadeeva will play in the league?

I do think this draft is better than the last one, but being able to count on any pick past number four to contribute is wishful thinking. Could happen, of course, but for me, only Wilson and Mitchell look like anything close to sure things.


I think Gabby will be fine, she's so athletic and gifted she will help a team whether it's starting or coming off the bench

Nurse, again she's that rock hard nose player not flashy but gets the job done. Very good defender just like most of the UCONN players under Geno

I am in love with Nared's game, 6'2 long can run the floor and shoot the 3. Just put on the tape against Texas, Miss St and SC last year. Texas game is my favorite she put that Lady Vol team on her back to make it a game. Almost won but fouled out on a questionable call in the end. She is good. Believe that

Deshields we all know that she got all-star talent ability, but will she be locked in and focus? We'll see

Canada we can agree to disagree on this one, if you ever played spades before, Well she's the Ace trumping it, Relentless aggressive point guard that can pass breakdown the D and ferocious Defender 1# PG in 2018 no doubt. Only knock I see is her height but she can't control that so we'll see how the future holds.

Brown Great shooter, good defender. Good in my book

Vadeeva I never seen her play but heard she's very talent.

Listen ofcourse we don't know how all these prospects gonna be in the W, this league is tough. The speed, the strength, and experience.

We'll see


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PostPosted: 08/07/17 1:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

root_thing wrote:
Even if players have talent, we've seen how the right fit still matters. If Jefferson weren't injured, Plum might be buried on the bench right now. If Coates wasn't herself injured, she might've been stuck playing behind Dolson, Boyette, DeSouza, and Parker. Shatori Walker Kimbrough looks great on paper. She has good height for her position, good speed and athleticism, was a very good college defender, and can flat out shoot the ball. Nonetheless, she has seen very limited minutes in DC. I know SWK got an emergency start the other day, but by now her confidence must be somewhat shaken.

The veterans ahead of you, system, role, coaching style are all major factors in a player's success. I seriously doubt that all 12 first round picks are going to end up in favorable situations. No matter how talented they are, not everyone is going to find significant playing time in her rookie season.


This is so true and so often overlooked. I'd just add one thing: talented professional athletes aren't sports machines. An individual's personal strengths and weaknesses are a big part of their success or failure as athletes. Some, given the most favorable situation imaginable, will react badly to a teammate, a coach, or a city, and it all goes wrong. Some, even in an unfavorable situation, have the flexibility and determination to make it work anyway. As fans, there's a hell of a lot we don't know about players that affects their performance and a team's success.



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PostPosted: 08/07/17 3:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

myrtle wrote:
I thought UConn had a hot new Frosh PG this year? Is she not ready? Or not as hot as thought?

They had one last year in Crystal Dangerfield, who hopefully will be healthier this year and continue to improve. No idea if there's another one in the incoming class.



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PostPosted: 08/07/17 3:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
myrtle wrote:
I thought UConn had a hot new Frosh PG this year? Is she not ready? Or not as hot as thought?

They had one last year in Crystal Dangerfield, who hopefully will be healthier this year and continue to improve. No idea if there's another one in the incoming class.


She is pretty hot, but she gets no respect.


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PostPosted: 08/07/17 3:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
myrtle wrote:
I thought UConn had a hot new Frosh PG this year? Is she not ready? Or not as hot as thought?

They had one last year in Crystal Dangerfield, who hopefully will be healthier this year and continue to improve. No idea if there's another one in the incoming class.


UConn is bringing in four players ranging from 5-10 to 6-1. They sound like SF/SG types.



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PostPosted: 08/07/17 3:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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root_thing wrote:
Even if players have talent, we've seen how the right fit still matters. If Jefferson weren't injured, Plum might be buried on the bench right now. If Coates wasn't herself injured, she might've been stuck playing behind Dolson, Boyette, DeSouza, and Parker. Shatori Walker Kimbrough looks great on paper. She has good height for her position, good speed and athleticism, was a very good college defender, and can flat out shoot the ball. Nonetheless, she has seen very limited minutes in DC. I know SWK got an emergency start the other day, but by now her confidence must be somewhat shaken.

The veterans ahead of you, system, role, coaching style are all major factors in a player's success. I seriously doubt that all 12 first round picks are going to end up in favorable situations. No matter how talented they are, not everyone is going to find significant playing time in her rookie season.


This is so true and so often overlooked. I'd just add one thing: talented professional athletes aren't sports machines. An individual's personal strengths and weaknesses are a big part of their success or failure as athletes. Some, given the most favorable situation imaginable, will react badly to a teammate, a coach, or a city, and it all goes wrong. Some, even in an unfavorable situation, have the flexibility and determination to make it work anyway. As fans, there's a hell of a lot we don't know about players that affects their performance and a team's success.


An example would be Toni Young. Reading her tweets and a couple of interviews, it didn't sound like she ever wanted to leave Oklahoma. She thought New York was unfriendly, the streets of the Turkish town where she was playing was smelly, etc. Also, Young tweeted a comment about people not understanding that professional basketball players need to be away from home a lot. I got the sense that it was a reference to her "wife" and the woman's children. A lot of players are greatly affected by their personal lives. As we've seen in all sports, one main reason athletes change teams is to be closer to home.

Not that you're likely to know this stuff before drafting someone. As in any kind of interview, players will say the "right" or safe thing to keep people at ease.



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PostPosted: 08/07/17 3:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

root_thing wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
root_thing wrote:
Even if players have talent, we've seen how the right fit still matters. If Jefferson weren't injured, Plum might be buried on the bench right now. If Coates wasn't herself injured, she might've been stuck playing behind Dolson, Boyette, DeSouza, and Parker. Shatori Walker Kimbrough looks great on paper. She has good height for her position, good speed and athleticism, was a very good college defender, and can flat out shoot the ball. Nonetheless, she has seen very limited minutes in DC. I know SWK got an emergency start the other day, but by now her confidence must be somewhat shaken.

The veterans ahead of you, system, role, coaching style are all major factors in a player's success. I seriously doubt that all 12 first round picks are going to end up in favorable situations. No matter how talented they are, not everyone is going to find significant playing time in her rookie season.


This is so true and so often overlooked. I'd just add one thing: talented professional athletes aren't sports machines. An individual's personal strengths and weaknesses are a big part of their success or failure as athletes. Some, given the most favorable situation imaginable, will react badly to a teammate, a coach, or a city, and it all goes wrong. Some, even in an unfavorable situation, have the flexibility and determination to make it work anyway. As fans, there's a hell of a lot we don't know about players that affects their performance and a team's success.


An example would be Toni Young. Reading her tweets and a couple of interviews, it didn't sound like she ever wanted to leave Oklahoma. She thought New York was unfriendly, the streets of the Turkish town where she was playing was smelly, etc. Also, Young tweeted a comment about people not understanding that professional basketball players need to be away from home a lot. I got the sense that it was a reference to her "wife" and the woman's children. A lot of players are greatly affected by their personal lives. As we've seen in all sports, one main reason athletes change teams is to be closer to home.

Not that you're likely to know this stuff before drafting someone. As in any kind of interview, players will say the "right" or safe thing to keep people at ease.


This is an excellent example of what I was trying to raise. Fans sometimes write very decisive things about a player's personality or character based solely on on-court performance or very fragmentary information about how the player interacts with teammates, coaches, the media, or fans. But there's so much we can never know about any professional athlete.

And you're certainly right that professional teams mainly don't know all that much about a player's life when making draft decisions. Surely there are cases when they make inquiries--just as many non-sports organizations make inquiries before hiring someone--but still there's a great deal you can't find out or learn in interviews.



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PostPosted: 08/07/17 4:51 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Semi-related. Wondering if maybe the lengthy road trip is a little more excusable than I first thought. LA and PHX really haven't had all of theirs yet, till now. And CT still goes to PHX and LA at the end of the season. If we can't capitalize on what is a favorable schedule travel-wise now though, it doesn't really matter. But maybe that will play into our favor how the team responds if they're fresher.



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PostPosted: 08/13/17 5:37 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

One of the things that really struck me about Kiah Stokes as a rookie was that she did a great job on defense yet didn't foul much. But here are her career statistics, rounded off slightly:

2015 24 minutes per game, 2.1 fouls per game

2016 24 minutes per game, 2.9 fouls per game

2017 20 minutes per game, 2.9 fouls per game


For whatever the reason, she is now significantly more likely to commit personal fouls--and to get into foul trouble--than she was as a rookie.



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