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PostPosted: 07/06/17 7:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA Transaction: Atlanta waives Meighan Simmons


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WNBA Transaction: Atlanta waives Meighan Simmons


hmm wonder if theyre bringing in someone else noy really a suprise kind of slowed down since last season


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Vision for 2018

Clarendon
Hayes/Sykes
McCoughtry/Holmes
Lyttle/Dantas
Williams/


That's a nice Core 8. No new starters needed. Keep additional 2 or 3 reserves from current squad (or look for upgrades in free agency). Keep 1 or 2 from 2018 draft.

Ajavon: Overdue for an upgrade, but I could see her as a favorite of Cooper's.

Hooper: Probably would run through a wall at this point to keep a job. Might consider keeping her depending on how draft goes. Not a true post player.

Morello: Has been on WNBA welfare the past two seasons. Do you keep her because of the investment in her or cut your losses? Consider kicking her to the curb if first round pick is a big.

Morris: Never understood the appeal. Has best agent in league.

#7 pick (projected)
Front court: Russell, Billings
Back court: Canada, Lexie Brown

#31 pick (projected)
Front court: Mavunga, Alexa Hart
Back court: Morgan William, Ariel Atkins



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Cooper has not been using Hooper as a post player despite the lack of depth there. He uses Holmes at the four whenever only one of Williams, Lyttle, or Dantas is on the floor.

Assuming Dantas takes off for the Olympics next year, the Dream will desperately need another post. Even with Dantas another big would be useful.



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Cooper has not been using Hooper as a post player despite the lack of depth there. He uses Holmes at the four whenever only one of Williams, Lyttle, or Dantas is on the floor.

Assuming Dantas takes off for the Olympics next year, the Dream will desperately need another post. Even with Dantas another big would be useful.


The Olympics aren't until 2020. If you meant the Worlds, Dantas played 30 games in 2014 for the Minnesota Lynx.



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If the schedule is done accordingly, the WNBA season(including playoffs) will be completed before the Worlds start(end of September).



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If the schedule is done accordingly, the WNBA season(including playoffs) will be completed before the Worlds start(end of September).


Yeah, but she may want to practice with her team before it starts



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Maybe if we are lucky Brazil will not have paid their FIBA dues, and this time won't have the Olympic card to give them a free pass.

Assuming we don't hit the lottery, we mainly need a backup PG or a 4/5 who might develop into Sancho's replacement or at least Williams backup. I'm tired of hearing about Russell. If she was any good she would have come out this year. At best she would give Morello someone about her size to talk to on the bench. I've seen too many LV games where she was a non-entity to get excited about her.

If Angel does come back then they should draft best player available that isn't a wing and look at making a deal to flip one of their wings for a backup PG or 4/5. Or flip Angel for a lottery pick or rising young star.


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I'm tired of hearing about Russell. If she was any good she would have come out this year.


Most players don't leave early. Mitchell and DeShields aren't any good?

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I've seen too many LV games where she was a non-entity to get excited about her.


People still get excited about DeShields. Could be the problem is the coach in Tennessee. Could be? Most likely. Russell is worth a shot, especially considering the combination of height and solid build like hers doesn't come around that often. You like Billings better, or haven't seen enough? Maybe reach for Vadeeva since McCoughtry has played with her? Hmmm..

I'm surprised you're interested in Boyette considering she had the opportunity to start but has fallen flat. Most of the players that have been given opportunities to step up have done so.



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Shades - you can have Russell at 12. Haven't seen Billings or don't remember her. Guess I will have some games to watch come November.

As for Vadeeva - Angel doesn't even think it's worth it to play for Atlanta herself, so I don't see her recruiting anyone.


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Maybe if we are lucky Brazil will not have paid their FIBA dues, and this time won't have the Olympic card to give them a free pass.

For what it's worth, Brazil are now listed among the entrants on the official website for the Americup in 25 days time: http://www.fiba.com/womensamericup/2017/ . Both Dantas and Erika were named in the Brazilian preliminary squad for the tournament (their training camp starts this Thursday).



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Randy wrote:
Maybe if we are lucky Brazil will not have paid their FIBA dues, and this time won't have the Olympic card to give them a free pass.

For what it's worth, Brazil are now listed among the entrants on the official website for the Americup in 25 days time: http://www.fiba.com/womensamericup/2017/ . Both Dantas and Erika were named in the Brazilian preliminary squad for the tournament (their training camp starts this Thursday).


So we may not even have Dantas for the last half of this season. Sad

Maybe that's why Burdick was hanging out at the last game.


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Vadeeva is almost 19. When can teams draft her Richyyy? She is a big talent and wouldnt mind if the Storm went after her.



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Vadeeva is almost 19. When can teams draft her Richyyy? She is a big talent and wouldnt mind if the Storm went after her.

She's eligible for next year's draft. It's going to be interesting to see how high she goes, in a draft that's already deep with American prospects (who teams will be a lot more confident in actually showing up).



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Meanwhile back to 2017. My guess at how the rest of the season goes - just for fun.

Dream are 8-8 now, have 18 games left. The schedule so far has been pretty easy, The remaining games are tougher.

7 games against Lynx, Merc and Sparks. 11 games total against team 500 or better.

7 games against teams that now have losing records.

9 home and 9 away.

I put the Lynx as 3 games they will lose, and figure they will probably lose at least 5 of the 8 against winner. So that would mean only 3 wins against the 500 or better.

To get to 500 they would need to win 6 of the 7 games against losing teams. I don't think that happens. Probably they win 4-5 at best. So that leaves the record at 15-19 or so.

They might beat LA and Mercury during the last week of the season since those teams may be locked into their playoff positions. If they are still fighting for position if may be a lot harder.

Best case scenario - 17 wins, worst case probably around 14.

Now we just need to play the games.... Razz


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Brittney Sykes emerges in the WNBA: 'I didn't waste any time'

http://www.syracuse.com/orangewomen/index.ssf/2017/07/brittney_sykes_makes_her_way_in_the_wnba_i_didnt_waste_any_time.html

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"I'm good at nicknames,'' he said. "That's one of my favorites.''

For instance, one of the first times he saw 5-foot-9, 146-pound rookie guard Brittney Sykes, he just knew she had to be "Slim.''

"She loves it and rolls by it,'' Cooper said.


I wonder if pilight is going to be able to remember that.

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In one of their first meetings, Cooper told Sykes she could be the WNBA's rookie of the year. And Sykes has made quick work proving her new coach prophetic there, too. She's taken over a starting spot in the Dream backcourt and ranks second among WNBA rookies in points per game (10.1) and is third in rebounds (3.6) and averaged minutes played (19.Cool.

"Her progression is definitely ahead of schedule,'' Cooper said. "And she's only going to get better. I think she has jumped up and opened people's eyes.''


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Cooper's rookie of the year prediction actually came after an exhibition game against Minnesota in which Sykes took 19 shots (hitting just three). Cooper was stunned by the volume and liked Sykes' aggressiveness. Sykes said she responded, hey, if the shots are there I'm going to take them.


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"It's just something, you set a goal for yourself,'' she said. "I didn't waste any time. I know I deserved to be in the WNBA. Now that I'm here, I want to reap the benefits.

"It just fuels me. People still doubt. There are doubters, there are supporters. Getting the rookie of the year would be a shut-up factor, a husher.''


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Dallas forward Glory Johnson swatted away her shot like she was spiking a volleyball, hammering Sykes in the mouth along the way.

A foul? You must be new here.

"It's never a foul. Especially for rookies,'' Sykes said.


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For much of the season, Sykes was the only rookie on Atlanta. That left her alone to do the work of cleaning up after practice, picking up tape and towels and gathering all the balls.


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Peterson, Sykes' backcourt running mate at Syracuse, did not play in that game. Sykes said she wanted to hug Peterson before the game but said she couldn't because she'd get in trouble with Cooper.


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Peterson is s averaging two points and 5.8 minutes played per game as a rookie.

"She's good. I check in on her. She's working hard. She's grinding,'' Sykes said. "When an opportunity (to play more) presents itself, she'll seize it."



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Good article - thanks for posting. What is also good to see is that last year's rookie, Bria Holmes is still finding a lot of minutes and playing well much of the time despite Sykes getting some of her minutes. Holmes seem to play 2,3 and 4 depending on what's going on. Though she is pretty small for 4. Cooper seems to be going for small ball a lot.

I have been wondering how Sykes fell to 7. Perhaps her injury history worried some teams. I have to admit she wasn't really on my radar, because I kept looking for players in other positions.


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Cooper seems to be going for small ball a lot.


He doesn't have much choice. With Morello out we only have three post players, and Dantas isn't a paint banger.



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pilight wrote:
Randy wrote:
Cooper seems to be going for small ball a lot.


He doesn't have much choice. With Morello out we only have three post players, and Dantas isn't a paint banger.


Dantas is 12-57 from 3 - 3.35 attempts per games at 21%. I don't quite see why she is shooting so many 3's. She's almost 50% from 2.


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Randy wrote:
pilight wrote:
Randy wrote:
Cooper seems to be going for small ball a lot.


He doesn't have much choice. With Morello out we only have three post players, and Dantas isn't a paint banger.


Dantas is 12-57 from 3 - 3.35 attempts per games at 21%. I don't quite see why she is shooting so many 3's. She's almost 50% from 2.


Part of it is Cooper. He gives everyone the green light. In LA he had arguably the greatest post player of All Time and she took 30-60 threes every season despite being a 32% shooter from there.



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And my god does Dantas take that green light and run with it. Seems to basically shoot the ball every damn time she touches it.



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I wonder if a permanent green light was a promise made to get her to come back this season. If she could really hit a 3 30% of the time she would be much more effective.


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Most of them are pretty much wide open as well, because they come off pick-and-pops or ball rotation after the big guarding her has faded into the lane. I actually really liked the new confidence she came into this season with, but all her advanced numbers - PER, True Shooting %, eFG% etc. - are actually at career lows in the WNBA, due to all those bricked threes.



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Dream waive Darxia Morris. Sign Chelsea Hopkins


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Dream waive Darxia Morris. Sign Chelsea Hopkins


wonder what theyre trying to do already had 11 players


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Dream waive Darxia Morris. Sign Chelsea Hopkins


ring around the rosie...



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lynxmania wrote:
Dream waive Darxia Morris. Sign Chelsea Hopkins


wonder what theyre trying to do already had 11 players


Probably to get rid of Morris more than anything. I don't recall what Hopkins has ever done in the WNBA, but might as well give her a look.

I see she is 1-17 in her 58 WNBA minutes. Hopefully she does not have the green light.


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Randy wrote:
animals31089 wrote:
lynxmania wrote:
Dream waive Darxia Morris. Sign Chelsea Hopkins


wonder what theyre trying to do already had 11 players


Probably to get rid of Morris more than anything. I don't recall what Hopkins has ever done in the WNBA, but might as well give her a look.

I see she is 1-17 in her 58 WNBA minutes. Hopefully she does not have the green light.

Hell if she is shooting only 1-17 for her career she doesn't need any light. She needs to sit down in a pitch black room. Laughing



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The good news is she's 25% from 3. (Her basket was a 3.)

I can see why we signed her. Her Offensive Rating is 106.7, Defensive 93.5, for a net rating of 13.1. Sounds like she can kick ass for us.


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Dream waive Darxia Morris. Sign Chelsea Hopkins


Good move. Now let's see what she can do.



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Rock Hard wrote:
Randy wrote:
animals31089 wrote:
lynxmania wrote:
Dream waive Darxia Morris. Sign Chelsea Hopkins


wonder what theyre trying to do already had 11 players


Probably to get rid of Morris more than anything. I don't recall what Hopkins has ever done in the WNBA, but might as well give her a look.

I see she is 1-17 in her 58 WNBA minutes. Hopefully she does not have the green light.

Hell if she is shooting only 1-17 for her career she doesn't need any light. She needs to sit down in a pitch black room. Laughing


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Think of it like this...she's due!



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Congrats to Elizabeth and Layshia who are joining Tiffany on the East All Star team! Very Happy


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A Way to Extend Her W.N.B.A. Career? Opening an Ice Cream Parlor

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/21/sports/basketball/angel-mccoughtry-wnba-ice-cream-atlanta.html

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She will report to Russia for her final international season in October and plans to return to the Dream to play in the W.N.B.A. at least until the 2020 Summer Olympics in Tokyo.



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Assuming she does come back to the Dream, I wonder if they ask her to play more at the 4. Sykes is starting to look good enough that they may want to find ways to get Hayes, McCoughtry and her on the court at the same time.



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Assuming she does come back to the Dream, I wonder if they ask her to play more at the 4. Sykes is starting to look good enough that they may want to find ways to get Hayes, McCoughtry and her on the court at the same time.




Yeah i was thinking this would be there best backcourt line up but how do you manage to push out All star Layshia ? Angel plays the 4 ? no bueno



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Cooper does seem to be enjoying playing the small ball. Probably not winning enough with it though.

Clarendon/
Sykes/
Hayes/Holmes
McCoughtry/Lyttle(bench or retire)
Williams/Dantas

Expendables from current roster
Ajavon
Hooper
Hopkins
Morello

That means your emphasis would be guards in a draft with quality forwards. Although you could probably mine a few gems in the later rounds. Oh wait, ATL gave up their 2nd round pick for Hooper. Genius. Maybe Lexie Brown or Canada in the first round depending on how well they finish the season. Maybe Mitchell if they collapse?

Clarendon
Hayes/Sykes
McCoughtry/Holmes
Lyttle(still got a couple years in the tank)/Dantas
Williams

Same expendables as above.
I like the symmetry better in this second depth chart, plus you can definitely draft a forward in the first round and maybe find a gem guard in the third round.


With ATL going with 11 players even with a cheap roster, it does seem like they're holding out hope at McCoughtry returns, but there was no hint of her returning this season in that NYTimes article. With Morello on WNBA welfare for the second year in a row, the Dream have been getting by on 10 players... especially load on the post players.



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I guess if nothing else this appears to seal the deal that Angel won't be back this season. Interesting question is whether she will be cored next year. It seems like if she wanted to go elsewhere she would have demanded that by now. They may need the core option for Tip pretty soon - so do you core Angel (who may not leave) or Tip (who might.)

As for Sykes, we have seen a lot of comets in the WNBA - players that shine briefly and then disappear so it's kind of early to tell how Sykes end up - but she looks great so far. They played Angel at the 4 some last year and Sancho is not getting any younger so there is some logic to moving her to the 4 position.

Because Williams is also an undersized 5 it seems to me they either need to get a big, powerful 4 or embrace small ball. The Angel/Hayes/Clarendon/Sykes/Williams lineup could be extreme small ball and might work. The question is whether they can live with the loss of rebounding/defense and whether Angel's return will dissolve chemistry of the current team. It is not a coincidence that Hayes and Clarendon are having their career best seasons. My preferred plan is the make the best deal possible in trading Angel to a contender, hopefully for a big 4 or 5. However, Angel may have ruined her trade value as well - who wants to give up much for a player that might not show up regularly. Who knows she could probably start an Ice Cream store in any WNBA city who might trade for her.


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Shades - I like Hooper. I think she fills a need so I don't see much reason to get rid of her. It would have been nice to pick her up on waivers from Dallas but sneaky Miller grabbed her just so he could demand a pick from us. She's likely better than anyone we'd get in the second round anyway and one rookie making the team is probably all that will happen.


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Just because I put somebody in the expendable list doesn't mean they have to be gone. They're just good candidates to be upgraded. I doubt that they'd upgrade them all at once. Cooper is using Hooper as a stretch 4, and I don't even like Maya as a stretch 4 in anything other than emergency situations. Hooper is a SF and that spot is full in either system above.



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McCoughtry's played a fair bit of 4 before due to Lyttle's various injuries; it's a lineup that can work. I doubt they start with it - which is why I suggested a little while ago that Sykes seems a good very early shout for 2018 6th Woman - but I could definitely see them using it quite a bit. Holmes is already basically the backup 4 this season, and Angel can fill that role at least as well.

The three of them at 2/3/4 with a point guard is likely to work better than 1/2/3 with two posts. They can do it to a certain extent, but none of them really want to be a distributor.



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I guess if nothing else this appears to seal the deal that Angel won't be back this season. Interesting question is whether she will be cored next year. It seems like if she wanted to go elsewhere she would have demanded that by now. They may need the core option for Tip pretty soon - so do you core Angel (who may not leave) or Tip (who might.)



Good point about coring. We might have to hire Russian hackers to find out how long of an extension Hayes got back in 2016.

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ATLANTA (Feb. 2, 2016) — The Atlanta Dream have announced the re-signing of restricted free agent Tiffany Hayes to a multi-year contract. Per team policy, terms of the contracts are not disclosed.

“It is terrific to be back with the team that believed in me from the start,” Hayes said. “I am honored and looking forward to joining the rest of my teammates again this summer for a successful season.”


If Hayes contract expires after this season, Cooper needs to work on getting her and/or McCoughtry another extension NOW. Don't fall in that trap Toler did which allowed Toliver to go without compensation.



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Dream sign Chelsea Hopkins to a 2nd 7-Day Contract


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PostPosted: 07/27/17 5:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Dream schedule in the coming days:
Yikes.......Lynx games require no analysis. Sky have beat us twice. Mystics will have Elena SpiderDonne and Liberty are usually tough on the Dream. Some winnable games here, but could see the losses pile up.

Friday, July 28
7:30 PM ET
Minnesota Lynx
McCamish Pavilion Atlanta, GA

Sunday, July 30
3:00 PM ET
Washington Mystics
McCamish Pavilion Atlanta, GA

Thursday, August 3
8:00 PM ET
Atlanta Dream
Minnesota Lynx
Xcel Energy Center St. Paul, MN

Saturday, August 5
8:00 PM ET
Atlanta Dream
Chicago Sky
Allstate Arena Rosemont, IL

Tuesday, August 8
7:00 PM ET
Minnesota Lynx
Atlanta Dream
McCamish Pavilion Atlanta, GA

Friday, August 11
7:30 PM ET
New York Liberty
Atlanta Dream
McCamish Pavilion Atlanta, GA

Saturday, August 12
8:00 PM ET
Atlanta Dream
San Antonio Stars
AT&T Center San Antonio, TX

Shocked


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PostPosted: 07/30/17 7:08 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

You should be more positive. I mean, you guys won two more games in July than I thought you were going to win, so you've got that going for you...

Granted, you could make the argument that you only won one of those because their best player couldn't walk but, still... 10-13 is a better record than your personnel indicates you ought to have: be more optimistic!



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PostPosted: 07/30/17 7:50 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Hard to be optimistic when 2 of the next 3 games are against the Lynx. I doubt that even SpaceJunkie thinks the Lynx will lose one of those games. However, I think we could beat the Sky, Liberty and Stars. So winning two or three of those games would be possible. This stretch will be important in the battle for 8th place.


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PostPosted: 07/30/17 8:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Randy wrote:

Saturday, August 12
8:00 PM ET
Atlanta Dream
San Antonio Stars
AT&T Center San Antonio, TX

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Are you trying to say just about every team is better than yours, including those mighty Stars?



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PostPosted: 07/30/17 8:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

No. I just put in the next batch of games. The Stars are the first one I put us down as a favorite to win.

I ran my tips out to the end of the season. I have Atlanta and Seattle both winning 2 more games, setting up a tie for 8th place. I think we beat the Storm though and therefore hold the tie breaker.

Along the way, we could beat the Sky, Liberty and maybe a few others, especially the final week of the season, but I don't put us down as favorites in most of our remaining games. I'd really like us to get to 17-17 to prove Angel is unecessary to finish 500.


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PostPosted: 07/30/17 9:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

You guys aren't going to get to .500. In fact, if you don't beat Chicago, it's not out of the question that you lose ten in a row.



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PostPosted: 07/30/17 9:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Silky Johnson wrote:
You guys aren't going to get to .500. In fact, if you don't beat Chicago, it's not out of the question that you lose ten in a row.


Most Dream fans wrote the season off as soon as Angel declared she was taking the summer off.



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