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Poor Tiff Mitchell. Could have been her first All-Star, but with the Shoni Schimmel Rule in effect, finishes 7th in the backcourt.
Griner's lack of fan popularity/support ultimately cost her a starting spot. While Parker's fan support gave her the nod over Nneka. |
Yep, guess since Parker didn't get on the Olympic team her fans made sure she was a starter on the All Star game. BG is the leagues highest scorer and she is not a starter? Popularity votes, not based on performance. DT should be a starter as should BG! Parker should not be. Nor should Moore or EDD be starters cause they haven't played well thus far this season. The coach of the Sun should be coach for the East over Bill L. |
Parker is starting at pf which means Fowles is starting at center for the west team. As good as BG has been playing she hasn't be better than Fowles. CP has always been voted as a starter in the AllStars gm so saying that her fans made sure to vote for her because of the Olympics snub is foolish. Before the two bad performances Parker has been averaging a double double in LA 8 straight wins. |
It's three 'frontcourt' players, so Fowles and Griner could've been in the starting lineup together. |
Thats the thing you can play CP with Fowles or BG but you can't play them together. Anyway BG will likely be a reserve.
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| Posted: 07/12/17 12:57 pm ::: |
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Poor Tiff Mitchell. Could have been her first All-Star, but with the Shoni Schimmel Rule in effect, finishes 7th in the backcourt.
Griner's lack of fan popularity/support ultimately cost her a starting spot. While Parker's fan support gave her the nod over Nneka. |
Yep, guess since Parker didn't get on the Olympic team her fans made sure she was a starter on the All Star game. BG is the leagues highest scorer and she is not a starter? Popularity votes, not based on performance. DT should be a starter as should BG! Parker should not be. Nor should Moore or EDD be starters cause they haven't played well thus far this season. The coach of the Sun should be coach for the East over Bill L. |
Parker is starting at pf which means Fowles is starting at center for the west team. As good as BG has been playing she hasn't be better than Fowles. CP has always been voted as a starter in the AllStars gm so saying that her fans made sure to vote for her because of the Olympics snub is foolish. Before the two bad performances Parker has been averaging a double double in LA 8 straight wins. |
It's three 'frontcourt' players, so Fowles and Griner could've been in the starting lineup together. |
Thats the thing you can play CP with Fowles or BG but you can't play them together. Anyway BG will likely be a reserve. |
That doesnt matter in the allstargame though. Bird or Taurasi will get them the ball anyway
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| Posted: 07/12/17 1:45 pm ::: |
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| I'm still surprised Bird is starting over Diggins-smith |
1) it's in Seattle.
2) they're making a big deal of her tying the record for most appearances.
I'm not surprised at all she's starting. There's more than one "lifetime achievement award" among those starting slots.
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| Posted: 07/12/17 1:54 pm ::: |
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| Might Mo Jeff get in over McBride? |
That would be the right call |
In what bizarro universe? |
The one where McBride continues to pile up counting stats via the method of 'taking a crapload of shots'? Jefferson has had the injury issues and played a few fewer games, but she's not just more efficient than McBride, she's wildly more efficient than McBride. Pretty much every advanced stat is in Jefferson's favour as well, if you like those sorts of things.
Although personally, I don't think either should make it in a West that has enough good options not to have the unspoken 'token player from every team however shit they are' rule implemented. |
McBride takes a lot of shots because the coach wanrs her to bevause if she didn't the team would barely score at all. So you're thinking the guard who got benched in favor of a mediocre underperforming rookie should be an all star? |
Jefferson being benched for a clearly inferior player is evidence of what, exactly? Other than the general dysfunction in San Antonio, and the attempt to get their draft pick to show something?
And yes, McBride takes lots of shots partly because there aren't many other options, and because Johnson's offense is a trainwreck. That doesn't mean she's doing it well. If the coach's offensive scheme involves handing the ball to the opposition on every possession, the point guard isn't an all-star because of her outstanding 9000-1 turnover-to-assist ratio. |
So the Stars won their second game today without Jefferson ever stepping onto the court. But they didn't win it without McBride being high scorer and getting 18 points, six assists, six rebounds, three steals, with only one turnover and one foul. There's no question who the best and most valuable player is on the Stars, and it's not Jefferson. It's not even close.
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| Posted: 07/12/17 10:37 pm ::: |
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| Might Mo Jeff get in over McBride? |
That would be the right call |
In what bizarro universe? |
The one where McBride continues to pile up counting stats via the method of 'taking a crapload of shots'? Jefferson has had the injury issues and played a few fewer games, but she's not just more efficient than McBride, she's wildly more efficient than McBride. Pretty much every advanced stat is in Jefferson's favour as well, if you like those sorts of things.
Although personally, I don't think either should make it in a West that has enough good options not to have the unspoken 'token player from every team however shit they are' rule implemented. |
McBride takes a lot of shots because the coach wanrs her to bevause if she didn't the team would barely score at all. So you're thinking the guard who got benched in favor of a mediocre underperforming rookie should be an all star? |
Jefferson being benched for a clearly inferior player is evidence of what, exactly? Other than the general dysfunction in San Antonio, and the attempt to get their draft pick to show something?
And yes, McBride takes lots of shots partly because there aren't many other options, and because Johnson's offense is a trainwreck. That doesn't mean she's doing it well. If the coach's offensive scheme involves handing the ball to the opposition on every possession, the point guard isn't an all-star because of her outstanding 9000-1 turnover-to-assist ratio. |
So the Stars won their second game today without Jefferson ever stepping onto the court. But they didn't win it without McBride being high scorer and getting 18 points, six assists, six rebounds, three steals, with only one turnover and one foul. There's no question who the best and most valuable player is on the Stars, and it's not Jefferson. It's not even close. |
So when the Stars won their first game, McBride shot a sterling 4-11 and in 32+ mins. also contributed 0 rebounds, 2 As, 1 TO and 1 stl. Meanwhile, in 20 less seconds MJ was 6-8 inc. an equal number of 3s made in 3 less attempts, 1 rebound, 8 As/2TOs and 1 stl.
For the year MJ is a much better shooter, especially from 3 (44-32%). Naturally, MJ's A/TO ratio dwarfs KM's.
At least KM out-rebounds her in those 7+ more MPG though.
Closer than you realize.
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| Posted: 07/13/17 8:13 am ::: |
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| Might Mo Jeff get in over McBride? |
That would be the right call |
In what bizarro universe? |
The one where McBride continues to pile up counting stats via the method of 'taking a crapload of shots'? Jefferson has had the injury issues and played a few fewer games, but she's not just more efficient than McBride, she's wildly more efficient than McBride. Pretty much every advanced stat is in Jefferson's favour as well, if you like those sorts of things.
Although personally, I don't think either should make it in a West that has enough good options not to have the unspoken 'token player from every team however shit they are' rule implemented. |
McBride takes a lot of shots because the coach wanrs her to bevause if she didn't the team would barely score at all. So you're thinking the guard who got benched in favor of a mediocre underperforming rookie should be an all star? |
Jefferson being benched for a clearly inferior player is evidence of what, exactly? Other than the general dysfunction in San Antonio, and the attempt to get their draft pick to show something?
And yes, McBride takes lots of shots partly because there aren't many other options, and because Johnson's offense is a trainwreck. That doesn't mean she's doing it well. If the coach's offensive scheme involves handing the ball to the opposition on every possession, the point guard isn't an all-star because of her outstanding 9000-1 turnover-to-assist ratio. |
So the Stars won their second game today without Jefferson ever stepping onto the court. But they didn't win it without McBride being high scorer and getting 18 points, six assists, six rebounds, three steals, with only one turnover and one foul. There's no question who the best and most valuable player is on the Stars, and it's not Jefferson. It's not even close. |
So when the Stars won their first game, McBride shot a sterling 4-11 and in 32+ mins. also contributed 0 rebounds, 2 As, 1 TO and 1 stl. Meanwhile, in 20 less seconds MJ was 6-8 inc. an equal number of 3s made in 3 less attempts, 1 rebound, 8 As/2TOs and 1 stl.
For the year MJ is a much better shooter, especially from 3 (44-32%). Naturally, MJ's A/TO ratio dwarfs KM's.
At least KM out-rebounds her in those 7+ more MPG though.
Closer than you realize. |
Sorry to jump in  , But as for my observation of this season . Mo Jeff has become this teams best player. Most consistent and highest basketball IQ on the Team. I was a firm believer these past few seasons that KMac was the go to player and the player to take the team on her back , but ive noticed she just shoots alot and does not really trust her teammates on offense judged by her shot selection. This year has become Mo Jeffs team although thats not really saying much with a 2-Infinity win/loss record.
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| Posted: 07/18/17 8:29 pm ::: |
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All-Star Reserves
East
Layshia Clarendon, Atlanta
Stefanie Dolson, Chicago
Candice Dupree, Indiana
Allie Quigley, Chicago
Alyssa Thomas, Connecticut
Elizabeth Williams, Atlanta
West
Seimone Augustus, Minnesota
Skylar Diggins-Smith, Dallas
Chelsea Gray, Los Angeles
Brittney Griner, Phoenix
Nneka Ogwumike, Los Angeles
Breanna Stewart, Seattle
*President Borders will select replacements for Griner and Delle Donne at a later date
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| Posted: 07/18/17 8:37 pm ::: |
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No EDD... no Griner... Taurasi?
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EDD and Taurasi were selected to start. Griner was selected as a reserve.
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| Posted: 07/18/17 9:21 pm ::: |
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22 All Stars include 20 first round picks and two second rounders. 15 of the 22 were taken in the top five picks of their draft.
By draft class
1 2002
1 2004
2 2006
3 2008
1 2010
2 2011
2 2012
4 2013
3 2014
1 2015
2 2016
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| Posted: 07/18/17 9:24 pm ::: |
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| For those who doubt the importance of winning the lottery, only there are only two No. 1 picks currently playing who aren't on the teams. Of those, Loyd is the only Top 10 scorer not selected for the game.
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| Posted: 07/18/17 9:34 pm ::: |
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| Replacements: Harrison for Griner & Zellous for Delle Donne with A. Thomas starting.
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| Posted: 07/18/17 9:35 pm ::: |
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| Replacements: Harrison for Griner & Zellous for Delle Donne with A. Thomas starting. |
Glory < Harrison
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Brunson should replace Griner, or else fudge it and get Beard in there.
West has a few more that could/should be All-Stars, while half of the East team is quite a stretch. Time to just take the best 22 from whichever conference and sort out teams later?
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| Posted: 07/18/17 10:10 pm ::: |
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| Dupree and Williams are probably the only two that would not be All-Stars under that scenario.
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| Posted: 07/18/17 10:12 pm ::: |
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Brunson should replace Griner, or else fudge it and get Beard in there.
West has a few more that could/should be All-Stars, while half of the East team is quite a stretch. Time to just take the best 22 from whichever conference and sort out teams later? |
Replacements don't have to be the same position, so there'd be no fudging necessary to go with Beard. Those would be my picks as well, in the same order. You could argue either should be in the original teams, even though it's tough to fit people in in the West.
I find it easier cutting people out of the East roster than finding anyone extra to add. But given that she's already going, it's probably Rodgers. |
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| Posted: 07/18/17 11:03 pm ::: |
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| For those who doubt the importance of winning the lottery, only there are only two No. 1 picks currently playing who aren't on the teams. Of those, Loyd is the only Top 10 scorer not selected for the game. |
The drop off to #2 is significant. Only two of the nine #2 picks currently playing made it (in both cases the #1 pick from the same draft also made it).
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| Posted: 07/19/17 8:43 am ::: |
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| I have found that most broadcasters tend to live in the past. And that relates to all sports. They tend to evaluate players based on reputations and established sound bites rather than what they are actually doing. I found this especially true in the NFL. So this sort of thing is nothing new.
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