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justintyme
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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/16/opinion/sunday/sanders-corbyn-socialsts.html
This discusses just how popular the progressive movements are amongst the youth in both the US and UK. It gives a good outline as to why this isn't the typical "youthful fancy" that has occured in the past. The numbers are at unheard of levels.
As these people get to the age where they start to vote in force the country is going to face a major shift. And if the awfulness that is Trump helps to solidify this, perhaps the old "everything happens for a reason" BS might actually apply....
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tfan
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| Posted: 06/17/17 5:10 am ::: |
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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/16/opinion/sunday/sanders-corbyn-socialsts.html
This discusses just how popular the progressive movements are amongst the youth in both the US and UK. It gives a good outline as to why this isn't the typical "youthful fancy" that has occurred in the past. The numbers are at unheard of levels.
As these people get to the age where they start to vote in force the country is going to face a major shift. And if the awfulness that is Trump helps to solidify this, perhaps the old "everything happens for a reason" BS might actually apply.... |
What policies will be proposed/enacted by the progressive or socialist parties of the future?
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justintyme
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| Posted: 06/17/17 7:02 am ::: |
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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/16/opinion/sunday/sanders-corbyn-socialsts.html
This discusses just how popular the progressive movements are amongst the youth in both the US and UK. It gives a good outline as to why this isn't the typical "youthful fancy" that has occurred in the past. The numbers are at unheard of levels.
As these people get to the age where they start to vote in force the country is going to face a major shift. And if the awfulness that is Trump helps to solidify this, perhaps the old "everything happens for a reason" BS might actually apply.... |
What policies will be proposed/enacted by the progressive or socialist parties of the future? |
My guess is that it will be a shift back to New Deal economics with a continued push for true social equality. Including an acceptance of openly atheistic leaders.
If I had to guess, some form of a single-payer Health Care system will be the first major change. Along with a restrengthening of worker collectives (Unions, etc).
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| Posted: 06/17/17 9:40 am ::: Re: The Sanders/Warren candidate got thumped in the VA Gov r |
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| And he's been quite exclusive towards the other part. |
Yeah, I love that bullshit narrative. It makes exactly zero sense since he has been a leading voice on these issues for years.
Just to note, young POC voted Sanders just like the rest of the under 40 crowd. |
He's repeatedly thrown POC and women under the bus, in a variety of ways.
- Southern votes shouldn't matter
- It's not necessary to be prochoice in order to be a liberal
- him and his supporters literally advocating for a primary system that would reduce the power of POC voters.
For starters.
I really don't have a problem with someone who focuses entirely on economic justice (although, he's quite narrow minded in that area), but I have a problem with a politician that demonizes every individual who doesn't value the same things he does. |
Bernie is the real Democrat, if there is such a thing anymore. Clinton is the product of Neo-Liberalism and the change of the Party from being funded by "working people" via unions to becoming puppets of Wall St. Obama is virtually the same product and governed the same centrist way.
Tim Caine is personally against abortion but doesn't let his personal beliefs
affect how he governs. The reference you make re being pro choice and being liberal is the same situation. A politician can simultaneously personally oppose abortion yet govern to support/uphold Wade.
Bernie himself may not be the future but his ideals will be, unless scum like the Koch bros., et al, continue to be allowed to buy politicians at will and fuck the 99% over.
Medicare for all and no-tuition college sound as bizarre today as abolition, women voting, and a non-white president have over the course of US history.
I'm glad Bernie stays out of the Dem Party, as long as it's Wall St.'s lapdog, generally speaking.
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| Posted: 06/17/17 2:19 pm ::: Re: The Sanders/Warren candidate got thumped in the VA Gov r |
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| I can't stand Bernie for a lot of reasons, and I think he's actually done a lot of damage. That being said, I really don't want to get too far into it. As was said about Hillary by cth, next to any Republican, I adore him. There's too many problems going on with Trump and Republicans to not put aside the differences between Progressives. It just needs to happen by both sides of the split...because I don't want to see the vitriol against whoever the party nominates in 2020.
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| Posted: 06/17/17 5:56 pm ::: |
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What policies will be proposed/enacted by the progressive or socialist parties of the future? |
My guess is that it will be a shift back to New Deal economics with a continued push for true social equality. Including an acceptance of openly atheistic leaders.
If I had to guess, some form of a single-payer Health Care system will be the first major change. Along with a restrengthening of worker collectives (Unions, etc). |
Hopefully they try and determine what is making things worse for millenials than they were for their parents (or creating that perception).
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| Posted: 06/17/17 9:15 pm ::: Re: The Sanders/Warren candidate got thumped in the VA Gov r |
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| I can't stand Bernie for a lot of reasons, and I think he's actually done a lot of damage. That being said, I really don't want to get too far into it. As was said about Hillary by cth, next to any Republican, I adore him. There's too many problems going on with Trump and Republicans to not put aside the differences between Progressives. It just needs to happen by both sides of the split...because I don't want to see the vitriol against whoever the party nominates in 2020. |
screw 2020.
Eyes on the Prize: 2018!
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| Posted: 06/18/17 2:44 am ::: Re: The Sanders/Warren candidate got thumped in the VA Gov r |
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| Heck, he's not even a Democrat. |
This this this this this. If you're going to try to reshape a political party, shouldn't you, y'know, be affiliated with it? |
No, no, no, and NO. When the party has moved so far away from what it was, and yet there remains but two voting options for the American people, then someone, anyone, has to fight like bloody hell against the money and the power of places like California to reestablish the spirit of what the Democratic Party has been in America up till the last couple of decades. That would be the party of the underdog, the working class, the unions, blacks, etc.
Let's not forget a few things here. One is that when Tim Kaine was announced as Hillary's running mate he was speaking to the 1% at the marina in Newport. CNN was covering the announcement live and the cameras showed exactly who was trickling out of that event. The bored, white, khaki-clad denizens of the most high elite circles of the Eastern establishment.
Second is that in the weeks following Hillary's historic loss the New York Times ran more than one article reporting that the powers that be in the Democratic Party were meeting to decide whether to once and for all abandon the American working class.
Imagine that. Honestly. It's no wonder we might be entering an era of more political violence and just as in this last incident it is not surprising how much of it is going to be coming from the left.
So you have the Republican Party, representing Wall ST and the banks, large corporate interests, big energy, big agriculture, insurance companies and pharmaceuticals, and every other element of commerce they have traditionally represented. And now you would have the Democratic Party, with friends on Wall ST as well, but wholly representing the incredibly affluent who fund their party and their candidates. Liberals, yes. But social liberals who don't give a flying FUCKING shit about the people out in fly-over country. Who happen to be the very people who fight the wars and who used to represent the industrial heart of America.
I've lived among these California Democrats for 30 years and I can attest to what I've witnessed. They don't care in the slightest about people in the rest of this country. From the old to their spoiled rotten grandchildren. They HAVE sold the average American in states like Ohio and Pennsylvania and Indiana and Missouri OUT for their own interests and for the interests of those who serve their interests. It's all they really care about. Themselves. These are people who don't even really care all that much about America except in how they might shape and control it in the future.
And the unions? lol. Get the fuck out of here. The unions are as hated by the people who pay off the Democrats as they are by the people who pay off the Republicans. Working people? Hell, I would suggest that it's pretty clear to anyone paying attention to politics in 2017 that the average working class person in the US is MORE disdained and dismissed by the elites of the Democratic Party than they are by the Republicans.
So no, a thousand times. The Democratic Party, the people, and this country, need for someone to come along and reestablish a TRUE two-party system in this country, until the day should it ever come when we have multiple parties faithfully representing whatever constituency they purport to represent. Bernie Sanders is the heart and soul of the Democratic Party right now. Dismissing him as some kind of election year anomaly resulting from Hillary's unpopularity is just ludicrous and, by the way, simply parroting a narrative that Republicans seem to be very invested in.
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