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Kelsey Plum, a bust or too early?
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PostPosted: 06/18/17 9:44 pm    ::: Kelsey Plum Reply Reply with quote

11 games in, is she a bust? Or is she still not 100%? Or would she be better on a different team?



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PostPosted: 06/18/17 9:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 06/18/17 11:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think she's a rookie point guard coming into a system unlike anything she's ever played in before. Most point guards need at least 3 seasons to acclimate to the WNBA.


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PostPosted: 06/19/17 12:19 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Give her to the Storm and then we will see how much of a bust see is Laughing Idea



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PostPosted: 06/19/17 3:47 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Seattle's first round pick in 18 for Plum.

I know it is a big risk for Seattle Plum is struggling ATM but Plum being mentored by Bird would be the perfect situation for her, eventually becoming the future PG of the Storm. If she isn't a bust and her shot starts falling Plum is a great compliment to the young core of Loyd and Stewart. Seattle is one of the more popular teams in the league and Plum could even increase their box office. 2018 is deep but Seattle is probably going to be in the top 5 this year so the pick is 8-12 there will be some good player still available even if the likes of Collier and Stevens don't declare but if Seattle thinks Plum is still far from her potential than maybe they roll the dice. They've been looking for the heir apparent to Bird for a while and until she got to SA Plum was looking like the player they have been waiting for. And if worst came to worst and the move blew up in the Storms face they still have a great duo and a good team that could attract free agents for their Championship push that is probably coming in the next few seasons. One wasted draft pick won't derail them too much.

It might be dangerous for SA to move on so quickly form a #1 pick that might even be hurt, (the last thing SA would need is to have Plum coming to SA in 2019 with Loyd and Stewart and be killing it as a integral part of one of the top teams in the league) but a second first round pick even in the late half of a deep draft to pair ideally with their #1 pick could be a good move (Imagine they have #1 and #8 and add say Wilson and Nurse or Wilson and Billings, or Wilson and Nared, or Wilson and Russell, or Wilson and L. Brown or Vivians. Wouldn't that be a more well balance team that what they have now?) If not they need to figure out some way to make the Jefferson, Plum and McBride combo work which probably still entails trading someone down the road.


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PostPosted: 06/19/17 9:17 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Plum for Clark & 18' 1st rounder



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PostPosted: 06/19/17 12:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I voted "too soon to tell" because I think she's playing hurt.


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PostPosted: 06/19/17 12:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
Plum for Clark & 18' 1st rounder

But Lysh is super important to their team IMO. She's a great defender that can create her shot in the post and will always hustle. She does the dirty work for their team. I think that she's the type of player Seattle will need for a deep playoff run and if they want to win a championship.



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PostPosted: 06/19/17 12:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

She should have gone to a college where she would have learned how to actually play the PG position and how to defend, i.e.,Saniya Chong. Plum is definitely not WNBA ready but she may become so, i.e., Becky Hammon.

Although, VJ is starting Plum to give her the best experience she can give her, there's no way she's anywhere near Jefferson - but she's getting the opportunity to learn and grow.

My hat's off to VJ and Moriah for working together in trying to get Plum ready.



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PostPosted: 06/19/17 12:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

BoredyMcbored wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Plum for Clark & 18' 1st rounder

But Lysh is super important to their team IMO. She's a great defender that can create her shot in the post and will always hustle. She does the dirty work for their team. I think that she's the type of player Seattle will need for a deep playoff run and if they want to win a championship.



Would it be more beneficial with the position she plays that she Creates her shot in the post or learn how to create her shot off the dribble ? Ijs Embarassed



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PostPosted: 06/19/17 2:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
BoredyMcbored wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Plum for Clark & 18' 1st rounder

But Lysh is super important to their team IMO. She's a great defender that can create her shot in the post and will always hustle. She does the dirty work for their team. I think that she's the type of player Seattle will need for a deep playoff run and if they want to win a championship.



Would it be more beneficial with the position she plays that she Creates her shot in the post or learn how to create her shot off the dribble ? Ijs Embarassed


Lmao I mean, you're not wrong.

But considering all that she does for the team, she's a keeper. A swiss army knife and their best defender. I'd honestly be more willing to get rid of Lang than Lysh. Her skill set is more replaceable.



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PostPosted: 06/19/17 2:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'm always amazed at how quick some fans are to declare someone "a bust." She's played all of 11 WNBA games. Do we need to list lots of examples of players that took time to develop?

Could Kelsey Plum prove to be a bust? Of course. But I find the posing of this question so soon--whether for Plum or any other player--to be useless.



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PostPosted: 06/19/17 2:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

J-Spoon wrote:
Seattle's first round pick in 18 for Plum.

I know it is a big risk for Seattle Plum is struggling ATM but Plum being mentored by Bird would be the perfect situation for her, eventually becoming the future PG of the Storm. If she isn't a bust and her shot starts falling Plum is a great compliment to the young core of Loyd and Stewart. Seattle is one of the more popular teams in the league and Plum could even increase their box office. 2018 is deep but Seattle is probably going to be in the top 5 this year so the pick is 8-12 there will be some good player still available even if the likes of Collier and Stevens don't declare but if Seattle thinks Plum is still far from her potential than maybe they roll the dice. They've been looking for the heir apparent to Bird for a while and until she got to SA Plum was looking like the player they have been waiting for. And if worst came to worst and the move blew up in the Storms face they still have a great duo and a good team that could attract free agents for their Championship push that is probably coming in the next few seasons. One wasted draft pick won't derail them too much.

It might be dangerous for SA to move on so quickly form a #1 pick that might even be hurt, (the last thing SA would need is to have Plum coming to SA in 2019 with Loyd and Stewart and be killing it as a integral part of one of the top teams in the league) but a second first round pick even in the late half of a deep draft to pair ideally with their #1 pick could be a good move (Imagine they have #1 and #8 and add say Wilson and Nurse or Wilson and Billings, or Wilson and Nared, or Wilson and Russell, or Wilson and L. Brown or Vivians. Wouldn't that be a more well balance team that what they have now?) If not they need to figure out some way to make the Jefferson, Plum and McBride combo work which probably still entails trading someone down the road.


A combo of Wilson and Billings would be pretty nice, or draft the top SF Deshields wit the #1 pick and Billings. Billings is 6'4 super athletic like Gabby Williams.


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PostPosted: 06/19/17 3:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Who would ever consider a 5'7" non-true point guard a bust? Wink Lady Plum works hard and for whatever reason, players can be short and lazy on defense (ala Schimmel & Kaleena) and be super effective in college, but the WNBA is way too good for that. Will Kelsey Mitchell get the hype when she breaks the all time scoring record next season? She's the opposite of what the WNBA loves to market, she ain't your 'All-American' girl if you get what I mean..oops did I say that Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: 06/19/17 3:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Bob Lamm wrote:
Could Kelsey Plum prove to be a bust? Of course. But I find the posing of this question so soon--whether for Plum or any other player--to be useless.


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PostPosted: 06/19/17 4:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Vandersloot is listed at 5'8 and so is Plum. But on a picture of them standing next to each other you can clearly see that Plum is taller..

https://www.google.nl/search?q=kelsey+plum+and+vandersloot&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi369Lm7srUAhUJb1AKHWdsCV0Q_AUIBigB&biw=1366&bih=662#imgrc=zl4iKYWRpr3OWM:



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PostPosted: 06/19/17 4:46 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Michelle89 wrote:
Vandersloot is listed at 5'8 and so is Plum. But on a picture of them standing next to each other you can clearly see that Plum is taller..

https://www.google.nl/search?q=kelsey+plum+and+vandersloot&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi369Lm7srUAhUJb1AKHWdsCV0Q_AUIBigB&biw=1366&bih=662#imgrc=zl4iKYWRpr3OWM:


How does that picture tell you that? Vandersloot is slouching to the side while Plum is standing straight up. I am always dubious of this kind of height investigation, but if anything that picture shows that Vandersloot is taller.


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You guys still haven't learned how to post a picture?

Plum has bigger feet and thicker limbs.

If Plum works as hard as Sloot or Diggins did after their disappointing rookie seasons, she should be alright. She seems resilient and a hard worker. Seattle should work out a deal for her before Bird retires. Bird would be a good mentor for Plum. Peterson is not the future.



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Michelle89 wrote:
Vandersloot is listed at 5'8 and so is Plum. But on a picture of them standing next to each other you can clearly see that Plum is taller..





And Vandersloot looks the same height or taller than the 5'9" Pondexter:





and the 5'9" Prince:


So Plum is 5'10". Although she did look noticeably smaller than the 5'10" listed Sami Whitcomb. Which means that Whitcomb is at least 6 feet tall. Very Happy

They really should have official measurements of reach and wingspan (height can be misleading) so we can accurately compare sizes. It looks like when someone is short for their position that their height can be boosted an extra inch or two You would think that the WNBA would want to have accurate measurements so GMs aren't thinking that Zahui B. is actually 6'4" (listed 6'5")


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threadkiller1201 wrote:
I voted "too soon to tell" because I think she's playing hurt.


She is. She is not yet fully recovered from the high ankle sprain sustained during preseason.

After Sunday's game, Elise Woodward asked her about playing on the injury/playing in pain--and Woodward told the crowd about how Plum played most of her sophomore year at UW with a serious knee injury (a torn meniscus that she put off surgery for until the offseason).

Plum didn't go into details about her current injury. She said, "Healthy or not healthy, it is a difficult transition," and "I trust the San Antonio team doctors."

tfan wrote:
So Plum is 5'10". Although she did look noticeably smaller than the 5'10" listed Sami Whitcomb. Which means that Whitcomb is at least 6 feet tall. Very Happy


LOL UW had Plum listed at 5'9" when she was a freshman. The next year she admitted to being closer to 5'7", and UW "settled on" listing her at 5'8".

I think the listed player heights are mostly relative. Aren't most players, especially the guards, fudging an inch or two?


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I dont want to be the Lady Plum killer but how long will this injury be the reason for her less than stellar rookie season ? If its that bad then maybe she should just shut it down ? After ASG break will this still be a factor if she continues to struggle ? Ijs Embarassed



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PostPosted: 06/21/17 8:43 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
I dont want to be the Lady Plum killer but how long will this injury be the reason for her less than stellar rookie season ? If its that bad then maybe she should just shut it down ? After ASG break will this still be a factor if she continues to struggle ? Ijs Embarassed


Why is it such a big problem. SHe is helping them get the number 1 pick in next years draft. This team wasnt going anywhere anyway..
So just play your number 1 pick and help her get comfortable for next season. But it might be a good start your other best players aswell. They should just play Jefferson, Plum, McBride together



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Seattle does need to start thinking about who'll replace Bird in the next few years. Why not make a move to bring in Plum? Unless the Storm want to transition Loyd into a PG?



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WNBA 09 wrote:
I dont want to be the Lady Plum killer but how long will this injury be the reason for her less than stellar rookie season ? If its that bad then maybe she should just shut it down ? After ASG break will this still be a factor if she continues to struggle ? Ijs Embarassed


I tend to agreee. If they aren't winning any games with their #1 pick playing, and if this injury is so bad, shut her down and get her healthy and not risk further (or long term) damage.


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bcdawg04 wrote:
threadkiller1201 wrote:
I voted "too soon to tell" because I think she's playing hurt.


She is. She is not yet fully recovered from the high ankle sprain sustained during preseason.

After Sunday's game, Elise Woodward asked her about playing on the injury/playing in pain--and Woodward told the crowd about how Plum played most of her sophomore year at UW with a serious knee injury (a torn meniscus that she put off surgery for until the offseason).

Plum didn't go into details about her current injury. She said, "Healthy or not healthy, it is a difficult transition," and "I trust the San Antonio team doctors."

tfan wrote:
So Plum is 5'10". Although she did look noticeably smaller than the 5'10" listed Sami Whitcomb. Which means that Whitcomb is at least 6 feet tall. Very Happy


LOL UW had Plum listed at 5'9" when she was a freshman. The next year she admitted to being closer to 5'7", and UW "settled on" listing her at 5'8".

I think the listed player heights are mostly relative. Aren't most players, especially the guards, fudging an inch or two?


My favorite height story (told here before but it's been a while): Kara Lawson was always listed as 5-8, and then late in her career, she suddenly jumped to 5-10 on the Monarchs' roster. That same year Yolanda Griffith and DeMya Walker both "shrunk" from 6-5 to 6-4. Apparently they donated the excess inches to Lawson ...



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Michelle89 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
I dont want to be the Lady Plum killer but how long will this injury be the reason for her less than stellar rookie season ? If its that bad then maybe she should just shut it down ? After ASG break will this still be a factor if she continues to struggle ? Ijs Embarassed


Why is it such a big problem. SHe is helping them get the number 1 pick in next years draft. This team wasnt going anywhere anyway..
So just play your number 1 pick and help her get comfortable for next season. But it might be a good start your other best players aswell. They should just play Jefferson, Plum, McBride together



She could also help them by just taking care of this injury issue and im sure they will still end up the worse team either way so shut it down and still get the # 1 pick . Btw tbh shes not helping them do ANYTHING besides turn the ball over .



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miller40 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
I dont want to be the Lady Plum killer but how long will this injury be the reason for her less than stellar rookie season ? If its that bad then maybe she should just shut it down ? After ASG break will this still be a factor if she continues to struggle ? Ijs Embarassed


I tend to agreee. If they aren't winning any games with their #1 pick playing, and if this injury is so bad, shut her down and get her healthy and not risk further (or long term) damage.



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miller40 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
I dont want to be the Lady Plum killer but how long will this injury be the reason for her less than stellar rookie season ? If its that bad then maybe she should just shut it down ? After ASG break will this still be a factor if she continues to struggle ? Ijs Embarassed


I tend to agreee. If they aren't winning any games with their #1 pick playing, and if this injury is so bad, shut her down and get her healthy and not risk further (or long term) damage.


When Woodward asked Plum about returning at less than 100%, Plum said, "I trust the San Antonio team doctors. I trust that they have my best interests in mind." So she trusts that her doctors believe she is not risking long term damage by playing while still rehabbing.

Just like at UW, when she played on a torn meniscus for half of her sophomore year--team doctors said then that she wasn't risking further injury and she could wait until the offseason to have surgery. That worked out all right.

Granted, these are different doctors now, but there is so much going on behind the scenes in San Antonio that I just don't know about. I'm not going to diagnose her from here. If she trusts the San Antonio doctors, then I do too. She always knew it would be a challenging transition. It's unfortunate that she got injured on top of coming in to the least talented team in the league, at that team's position of strength, with a first year head coach (plus Jefferson's injury). I am confident, however, that all of this will just drive her to work harder.


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VJ if you read this; DONT GIVE INTO PRESSURE AND PLAY PLUM JUST BECAUSE IDIOTS SAY SO! Plum can't score for a winless team but the Pluminatirs seem to think she's the next Bird in waiting for Seattle. Waste of floor space if you ask me smh


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SDHoops wrote:
VJ if you read this; DONT GIVE INTO PRESSURE AND PLAY PLUM JUST BECAUSE IDIOTS SAY SO! Plum can't score for a winless team but the Pluminatirs seem to think she's the next Bird in waiting for Seattle. Waste of floor space if you ask me smh


This is hard to not agree with , Embarassed Im running out of optimistic comments for the gal . Injuries , coach's fault , transition . All have been exhausted . Shes starting and getting more minutes but no increase in production.



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In this 57 point game where she set the scoring record she scored on:

13 foul shots
3 open threes from a pass
3 threes from dribble, stop, shoot
2 short jumpers
1 floater
3 driving right-handed layups wth defender
5 driving left-handed layups with defender
1 uncovered right-hand layup
1 long lefty layup-ish shot in the paint with defender

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So is it too early to say Washington Huskie PG and No. 1 Pick Markelle Fulz is a bust?

Has it ever happened before that two players from the same school went No. 1 in the NBA and WNBA draft?


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Assuming the Fenerbahce rumors are true, Kelsey is certainly not taking a break in the fall. There may be no higher pressure team to play for out there. As if her social media does not already get bombarded enough.
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Randy wrote:
Has it ever happened before that two players from the same school went No. 1 in the NBA and WNBA draft?


No. They have never even come from the same conference.

Washington Becomes First School Produce Top Pick In NBA And WNBA Drafts

Fultz may have been a one-and-done on one of the worst teams in school history and Plum is struggling as a pro now, but while at UW, they were nothing but class. They will be remembered as true Dawgs.


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Has it ever happened before that two players from the same school went No. 1 in the NBA and WNBA draft?


Not in the same year. Duke, Louisville, LSU, Minnesota, and Notre Dame have had #1 picks in both the NBA and WNBA drafts in different years.



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[spoiler alert]

I missed Tina Thompson, but I got the rest.

Kelsey gets a bonus point for the speed with which she answered #4, but she should lose a point for calling it "Pike's". Razz


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Michelle89 wrote:
Hmm there have been a lot of pointguards that struggle in their first couple of seasons before they turn it around. Its just not Hammon. A lot of people say it takes pointguards about 3 years to really come into their own. I think Vandersloot is a pretty good example of that. There was a lot of hype about her but it took her a while


And I don't think Plum played point guard for at least half of her college career (she is referred to as a high school point guard by one Hoopgurlz article). For her freshman and sophomore years, I believe Jazmine Davis was the point guard. For her junior year I think Alexus Atchley may have technically been considered the point guard, at least bringing the ball up, with Plum as a ball-dominant two. Last year Aarion McDonald may have been a partial point guard for the 24mpg she was in, again as far as bringing the ball up (with Plum still ball-dominant) Maybe a Husky fan can confirm or correct that. Plum's A/TO ratio got a lot better her senior year, so I think she'd be a lot farther along if she had been a true point guard for 4 years of college.

Plum's assists took a jump after Davis graduated at the end of her sophomore year but her assist stats in college pale to Vandersloots WCC stats so she seems to have a bigger hill to climb than Vandersloot with regard to becoming a good point guard:

Code:

Kelsey Plum
Year         ast   to    Apg    A/TO
2013-14       93   98    2.74   0.95
2014-15      108   91    3.27   1.19
2015-16      154   159   4.16   0.97
2016-17      168   88    4.80   1.91
Total        523   436   3.76   1.20



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Courney Vandersloot
Year      ast   to    APG    A/TO
2007-08   191   103   5.62   1.85
2008-09   239   120   7.47   1.99
2009-10   321   145   9.44   2.21
2010-11   367   119   10.19  3.08
Total    1118   487   8.22   2.30
 


One thing I noticed in looking at Plum's college stats is that she never missed a game and started every game. And her average minutes per game were 37.38. Good foundation for setting an all-time record.




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PostPosted: 06/26/17 6:55 am    ::: Re: Kelsey Plum Reply Reply with quote

tfan wrote:
Michelle89 wrote:
Hmm there have been a lot of pointguards that struggle in their first couple of seasons before they turn it around. Its just not Hammon. A lot of people say it takes pointguards about 3 years to really come into their own. I think Vandersloot is a pretty good example of that. There was a lot of hype about her but it took her a while


And I don't think Plum played point guard for at least half of her college career (she is referred to as a high school point guard by one Hoopgurlz article). For her freshman and sophomore years, I believe Jazmine Davis was the point guard. For her junior year I think Alexus Atchley may have technically been considered the point guard, with Plum as a ball-dominant two. Last year Aarion McDonald seemed to be more of the point guard for the 24mpg she was in, at least as far as bringing the ball up (with Plum still ball-dominant) Maybe a Husky fan can confirm or correct that. Plum's A/TO ratio got a lot better her senior year, so maybe she was more an actual point guard last season.

Plum's assists took a jump after Davis graduated at the end of her sophomore year but her assist stats in college pale to Vandersloots WCC stats so she seems to have a bigger hill to climb than Vandersloot with regard to becoming a good point guard:

Code:

Kelsey Plum
Year         ast   to    Apg    A/TO
2013-14       93   98    2.74   0.95
2014-15      108   91    3.27   1.19
2015-16      154   159   4.16   0.97
2016-17      168   88    4.80   1.91
Total        523   436   3.76   1.20



Code:
Courney Vandersloot
Year      ast   to    APG    A/TO
2007-08   191   103   5.62   1.85
2008-09   239   120   7.47   1.99
2009-10   321   145   9.44   2.21
2010-11   367   119   10.19  3.08
Total    1118   487   8.22   2.30
 


One thing I noticed in looking at Plum's college stats is that she never missed a game and started every game. And her average minutes per game were 37.38. Good foundation for setting an all-time record.


Your post proves even more that she needs time to grow and adjust to playing the pointguard position in the WNBA. That is why i think the Stars should play Jefferson and Plum together more. They can both spot up and shoot so let them take turns bringing the ball up



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PostPosted: 06/26/17 10:10 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I feel for Kelsey. Really hope she can turn this around. I remember Nicole Powell having a horrible first year after being considered one of the big 3 in her 2004 draft class, then after a trade to Sacramento she really turned it up.


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PostPosted: 06/26/17 7:14 pm    ::: Re: Kelsey Plum Reply Reply with quote

tfan wrote:
And I don't think Plum played point guard for at least half of her college career (she is referred to as a high school point guard by one Hoopgurlz article). For her freshman and sophomore years, I believe Jazmine Davis was the point guard. For her junior year I think Alexus Atchley may have technically been considered the point guard, at least bringing the ball up, with Plum as a ball-dominant two. Last year Aarion McDonald may have been a partial point guard for the 24mpg she was in, again as far as bringing the ball up (with Plum still ball-dominant) Maybe a Husky fan can confirm or correct that.


For sure, during Plum's sophomore year, Jaz Davis was primarily the point guard. During Plum's freshman year, she and Davis played alongside true point guard Mercedes Wetmore. As for Plum's junior and senior years...I'm not sure it is so straight forward. Atchley, imo, mostly played the 2-guard, though they both handled the ball. Last year, the team's truest point guard (Kelli Kingma) suffered an injury in the second or third game of the year that ultimately turned out to be season-ending. McDonald missed the first month of the season with an injury, but once she came in, yes - she spent a fair amount of time at the 1. Neighbors will tell you that Natalie Romeo spent time at the 1 as well.

I think, particularly this past year, Neighbors ran a relatively unconventional offensive system. The Huskies primarily played a 3-guard lineup, which is not that unconventional for college (even if Plum was the tallest of the three). I call it unconventional because, for starters, I have never seen a system that gave a singular player as much freedom as Plum was given.

Plum joked in one award acceptance speech, "Some players are given the green light. I think I was given a highway."

The Huskies played with multiple ball handlers, but much of the offense was designed around her. The secret to UW's success, and to Plum's success, however, was that the offense was not built solely around her. The offense was very clearly designed to utilize both Plum's strengths and Chantel Osahor's strengths. I'm sure it seemed to many casual fans that UW was basically the Kelsey Plum show, but Kelsey operated with the kind of freedom she did because of how well she and Osahor complemented each other. Osahor, as a kind of point forward, was as critical to the offense as Plum. Neighbors said multiple times that when the offense struggled, often his message to the team would be to make sure Osahor got more touches.

I mean, Plum could scarcely ever dribble herself into trouble when she always had the option to toss the ball to Osahor. Defenses had to respect Osahor's outside shot. They had to respect her dribble-drive. And Osahor was the team's best passer and had a career 1.8 assist/turnover ratio.

Another unconventional aspect of the system was the fact that Neighbors gave the green light to every player who got into the game. Nobody was allowed to pass up an open three-point look. So for as much as the offense was designed for Plum and Osahor, the rest of the team was willing to do their part to make the defense work - to move without the ball and to make it difficult for the opposition to double team either Plum or Osahor. They trusted Plum's and Osahor's decision making, and they knew they were allowed to take any shot they wanted. The system allowed a fair amount of freedom for all of the players. And yes, Plum still took most of the shot attempts...but she actually didn't shoot any more than she had the previous year.

Think about that for a moment: as a senior she increased her average nearly 6 points per game from her junior year, while attempting the same number of field goals per game. That's partially a product of her own competitiveness and her focus on efficiency, but that is also a product of teamwork getting her better looks.

Whether San Antonio plays her at the 1 or the 2 (or rather, if they play her), she won't have the kind of freedom to operate offensively the way Neighbors' unique system allowed her. That kind of system is not going to work at this level. She is going to have to adjust. She'll be playing in a more restrictive system. She won't have the ball in her hands as much. She's not going to play the first 37 minutes of the game - she might actually come in and out of a game. The competitor in her wanted to go #1 so she did what she did, making it impossible to pass on her, and thus she ended up on the worst team. I'm not sure the Stars have much of an offensive system in place - they seem to rely mostly on Jefferson to make something happen. Even with Jefferson playing well, the team is just not very good. Still, Plum has to adjust and find a way to make an impact with fewer minutes and fewer touches.


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Harden also did not have an overwhelmingly impressive rookie season



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Humbling start for prized rookie Plum

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After a recent session, she stayed on the court for an extra hour to work out with Becky Hammon, a former Stars great who is an assistant coach for the Spurs.


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This is from a few weeks ago:



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Purple pen helps Plum blossom


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I've been in the wait-and-see category but it sure looks like Plum is simply not ready for the WNBA. That doesn't mean she won't be ready at some point, but from her play this summer, I wouldn't expect it next year.

She plays hard, has some skills and apparently does the things necessary to improve, but shooters have to make shots, and she's not doing that.

Too bad, really ... the league can always use more good players.



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ClayK wrote:
I've been in the wait-and-see category but it sure looks like Plum is simply not ready for the WNBA. That doesn't mean she won't be ready at some point, but from her play this summer, I wouldn't expect it next year.

She plays hard, has some skills and apparently does the things necessary to improve, but shooters have to make shots, and she's not doing that.

Too bad, really ... the league can always use more good players.

She's already improved dramatically from the start of her rookie season. That's a pretty good start.



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