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PostPosted: 06/14/17 10:45 am    ::: 2018 Draft Watch Update.... Reply Reply with quote

So Far Here are the teams with the best Odds for the lottery up to date as of 6/14/17. Will try and track as the season goes along.

1. San Antonio 7-36
2 . Dallas Wings 15-30
3. Connecticut Sun 17-25
4. Chicago Sky 20-23
5. Styx 20-24
6. Indiana Fever 21-23
7. Seattle Storm 21-23
8. Phx 21-22
9. Atlanta 22-21
10. NYL 27-16
11. LA 32-11
12. Lynx 37-6



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PostPosted: 06/14/17 11:20 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Looks like nobody can catch the falling Stars now. It is a bit hard to believe Atlanta's w/l over the past season+9/34 is 4th best. Problem for the Stars is they can't get any better chance than 44% or so.

Tanks for doing this.


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PostPosted: 06/14/17 11:41 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Randy wrote:
Looks like nobody can catch the falling Stars now. It is a bit hard to believe Atlanta's w/l over the past season+9/34 is 4th best. Problem for the Stars is they can't get any better chance than 44% or so.

Tanks for doing this.


No problem , hopefully i can have updates by ASG break . If San Antonio gets the #1 pick 2 years in a row id be highly upset but it would be understood. Didnt realize how bad they have been , Crossing my fingers for my Dallas wings though getting that #1 pick . Lord knows we could use Aja Wilson



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Randy wrote:
Looks like nobody can catch the falling Stars now. It is a bit hard to believe Atlanta's w/l over the past season+9/34 is 4th best. Problem for the Stars is they can't get any better chance than 44% or so.

Tanks for doing this.


Just noticed your Tanks Cool Idea



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PostPosted: 06/14/17 12:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It took the shipwreck of the Mystics' luck for this system to come into place? Well luckily Thibault has righted the ship with development and FA's. Congrats Stars, you are new Tulsa Shock of the early 2010 decade. Remember in 2014 when they were young and was looking forward to the future? Well...


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PostPosted: 06/14/17 12:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Yeah, I'd pencil this in already "with the first pick in the 2018 draft, the San Antonio Stars select Aja Wilson from South Carolina".



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PostPosted: 06/14/17 12:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'll be very disappointed if SAS win the top pick again. The accumulation of talent on a small number of teams is a bad thing for the league.

I would like to see a rule that the lottery team that most recently won the No. 1 pick is ineligible to get it again. Each year, only three of four lottery teams would be eligible for No. 1.


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PostPosted: 06/14/17 12:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

There is a 56 percent chance they don't win the lottery. That's kind of what screwed Tulsa/Dallas -all those lottery picks but they never won it.


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PostPosted: 06/14/17 12:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

PUmatty wrote:
I'll be very disappointed if SAS win the top pick again. The accumulation of talent on a small number of teams is a bad thing for the league.

I would like to see a rule that the lottery team that most recently won the No. 1 pick is ineligible to get it again. Each year, only three of four lottery teams would be eligible for No. 1.


Well it would end up looking somewhat like this

Last 4 Drafts
18' - San Antonio #1 Pick
17' - San Antonio # 1 Pick
16'- Seattle #1 Pick
15 ' - Seattle # 1 Pick

Idk if im against the new rule or for it , but it does seem to favor the less stronger teams but maybe a bit too much .



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PUmatty wrote:
I'll be very disappointed if SAS win the top pick again. The accumulation of talent on a small number of teams is a bad thing for the league.

I would like to see a rule that the lottery team that most recently won the No. 1 pick is ineligible to get it again. Each year, only three of four lottery teams would be eligible for No. 1.


I really don't think you have to worry that these San Antonio Stars will wind up with too much talent.


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PostPosted: 06/14/17 12:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

calbearman76 wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
I'll be very disappointed if SAS win the top pick again. The accumulation of talent on a small number of teams is a bad thing for the league.

I would like to see a rule that the lottery team that most recently won the No. 1 pick is ineligible to get it again. Each year, only three of four lottery teams would be eligible for No. 1.


I really don't think you have to worry that these San Antonio Stars will wind up with too much talent.


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Even with Aja do you see this team as a playoff contender without making some additional trades ? Aja / Mcbride & either or Plum/Jefferson could be a solid core team to build around but Plum or Mo Jeff would have to go elsewhere to make it work imo . Although with Dallas i see a major swing in power , Diggins-Smith / Gray / Christmas / Glory / Aja / Powers / Davis & Maybe even Liz Cambage could be an immediate contender for sure.



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calbearman76 wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
I'll be very disappointed if SAS win the top pick again. The accumulation of talent on a small number of teams is a bad thing for the league.

I would like to see a rule that the lottery team that most recently won the No. 1 pick is ineligible to get it again. Each year, only three of four lottery teams would be eligible for No. 1.


I really don't think you have to worry that these San Antonio Stars will wind up with too much talent.


These things need to spread around.


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Dallas and Connecticut need to win more games this year.



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PostPosted: 06/14/17 2:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Dallas and Connecticut need to win more games this year.



Or Maybe San Antonio can go on a 25 game win streak ? Rolling Eyes



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PostPosted: 06/14/17 3:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

With Dallas being so deep at the Wing they might have to gamble and take Monique Billings, she could be the best of the bigs after Wilson, unless you prefer Russell or Turner.
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in case anyone wondered , heres a list of the players to choose from next year and how they were evaluated from high school entering college...of course there will be a few *early declarers and 5th yr seniors in this draft also so keep that in mind...

*Mercedes Russell
* Diamond DeShields
* Taya Reimer
* Linnae Harper
* Tyler Scaife
*Lexie Brown
* Ieshia Small
*Stephanie Mavunga
*Imani Wright
* Rebecca Greenwell



https://www.prospectsnation.com/players/all/2014



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#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
With Dallas being so deep at the Wing they might have to gamble and take Monique Billings, she could be the best of the bigs after Wilson, unless you prefer Russell or Turner.


Id rather have Russell or Turner , Billings most likely has the highest cieling of any player in this draft , but we already have too many projects this year. We need a big that can move , preferably turner if she can return pre-injury form this year hopefully.



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WNBA 09 wrote:
in case anyone wondered , heres a list of the players to choose from next year and how they were evaluated from high school entering college...of course there will be a few *early declarers and 5th yr seniors in this draft also so keep that in mind...

*Mercedes Russell
* Diamond DeShields
* Taya Reimer
* Linnae Harper
* Tyler Scaife
*Lexie Brown
* Ieshia Small
*Stephanie Mavunga
*Imani Wright
* Rebecca Greenwell



https://www.prospectsnation.com/players/all/2014


Napheesa Collier, Teaira McCowan, and Beatrice Mompremier should all be draft eligible.
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#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
in case anyone wondered , heres a list of the players to choose from next year and how they were evaluated from high school entering college...of course there will be a few *early declarers and 5th yr seniors in this draft also so keep that in mind...

*Mercedes Russell
* Diamond DeShields
* Taya Reimer
* Linnae Harper
* Tyler Scaife
*Lexie Brown
* Ieshia Small
*Stephanie Mavunga
*Imani Wright
* Rebecca Greenwell
* Napheesa Collier
* Teaira McCowan


https://www.prospectsnation.com/players/all/2014


Napheesa Collier, Teaira McCowan, and Beatrice Mompremier should all be draft eligible.


I dont think beatrice will declare next year , she will most likely have to sit out a year before she can play for Miami . McCowan & Napheesa i will add though .



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PostPosted: 06/14/17 8:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
in case anyone wondered , heres a list of the players to choose from next year and how they were evaluated from high school entering college...of course there will be a few *early declarers and 5th yr seniors in this draft also so keep that in mind...

*Mercedes Russell
* Diamond DeShields
* Taya Reimer
* Linnae Harper
* Tyler Scaife
*Lexie Brown
* Ieshia Small
*Stephanie Mavunga
*Imani Wright
* Rebecca Greenwell



https://www.prospectsnation.com/players/all/2014



I watched alot of Maryland games this past year, that girl Ieshia Small got alot of talent, she will be a 2nd or 3rd round sleeper. but i think she won't fly under the radar next year due to all the transfers and Grads leaving so she can definitely up her stock.

on another note on the 2018, keep a eye on Raigyne Moncrief from LSU. great speed, great mid range game and plays great defense. SEC Defensive Player of the Year. im hopin my Libs can pick her up in the 2nd or 3rd round


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PostPosted: 06/14/17 10:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Also just a reminder (even though I'm sure everyone knows this) you have to be out of the playoffs to be in the lottery, so it is quite possible a team that gets the 7th or 8th spot in the playoffs could have a worse two year record than a team or two that end up in the lottery. This will almost certainly happen if Dallas or Conn gets into the playoffs this year because of how poorly they did last year.


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LibFan25 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
in case anyone wondered , heres a list of the players to choose from next year and how they were evaluated from high school entering college...of course there will be a few *early declarers and 5th yr seniors in this draft also so keep that in mind...

*Mercedes Russell
* Diamond DeShields
* Taya Reimer
* Linnae Harper
* Tyler Scaife
*Lexie Brown
* Ieshia Small
*Stephanie Mavunga
*Imani Wright
* Rebecca Greenwell



https://www.prospectsnation.com/players/all/2014



I watched alot of Maryland games this past year, that girl Ieshia Small got alot of talent, she will be a 2nd or 3rd round sleeper. but i think she won't fly under the radar next year due to all the transfers and Grads leaving so she can definitely up her stock.

on another note on the 2018, keep a eye on Raigyne Moncrief from LSU. great speed, great mid range game and plays great defense. SEC Defensive Player of the Year. im hopin my Libs can pick her up in the 2nd or 3rd round


Also out of the SEC a player to watch as an intriguing draft pick maybe late 1st round possibly Khaalia Hillsman out of A&M !



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Macy Miller from South Dakota State will be draft eligible..a big guard who can get down very low on defense. People may recall when she and the Jacks almost upset Stanford in the 2016 NCAA's..could be a draft pick, not sure where at. Needs to work on outside shot for a realistic chance at the W


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Just as long as we end up with Diamond DeShields . . . Candace Parker (2008), Nneka Ogwumike (2012)---we need another impact player!



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PostPosted: 06/15/17 12:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Just as long as we end up with Diamond DeShields . . . Candace Parker (2008), Nneka Ogwumike (2012)---we need another impact player!


That would be fitting , but unless some weird trades unfold like CT trading that #1 pick to LA again i dont see it happening. Gray / Odyssey / Diamond / Nneka / Candace would be one hell of a team .



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LibFan25 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
in case anyone wondered , heres a list of the players to choose from next year and how they were evaluated from high school entering college...of course there will be a few *early declarers and 5th yr seniors in this draft also so keep that in mind...

*Mercedes Russell
* Diamond DeShields
* Taya Reimer
* Linnae Harper
* Tyler Scaife
*Lexie Brown
* Ieshia Small
*Stephanie Mavunga
*Imani Wright
* Rebecca Greenwell



https://www.prospectsnation.com/players/all/2014



I watched alot of Maryland games this past year, that girl Ieshia Small got alot of talent, she will be a 2nd or 3rd round sleeper. but i think she won't fly under the radar next year due to all the transfers and Grads leaving so she can definitely up her stock.

on another note on the 2018, keep a eye on Raigyne Moncrief from LSU. great speed, great mid range game and plays great defense. SEC Defensive Player of the Year. im hopin my Libs can pick her up in the 2nd or 3rd round


Also out of the SEC a player to watch as an intriguing draft pick maybe late 1st round possibly Khaalia Hillsman out of A&M !



Oh i love her game she's a beast! She set the Texas A&M single season record with a 62.4 field goal percentage. The PG Knox for A&M lead the country in a 8.9 assists a game lol i was a lil surprise why nobody atleast sign her to a training camp? she was a good PG

the SEC...man its a deep deep conference...i'm curious to see how Alexis Jennings plays in SC next year from transferring out of Kentucky, she was a solid player for the Lady WildCats


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LibFan25 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
LibFan25 wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
in case anyone wondered , heres a list of the players to choose from next year and how they were evaluated from high school entering college...of course there will be a few *early declarers and 5th yr seniors in this draft also so keep that in mind...

*Mercedes Russell
* Diamond DeShields
* Taya Reimer
* Linnae Harper
* Tyler Scaife
*Lexie Brown
* Ieshia Small
*Stephanie Mavunga
*Imani Wright
* Rebecca Greenwell



https://www.prospectsnation.com/players/all/2014



I watched alot of Maryland games this past year, that girl Ieshia Small got alot of talent, she will be a 2nd or 3rd round sleeper. but i think she won't fly under the radar next year due to all the transfers and Grads leaving so she can definitely up her stock.

on another note on the 2018, keep a eye on Raigyne Moncrief from LSU. great speed, great mid range game and plays great defense. SEC Defensive Player of the Year. im hopin my Libs can pick her up in the 2nd or 3rd round


Also out of the SEC a player to watch as an intriguing draft pick maybe late 1st round possibly Khaalia Hillsman out of A&M !



Oh i love her game she's a beast! She set the Texas A&M single season record with a 62.4 field goal percentage. The PG Knox for A&M lead the country in a 8.9 assists a game lol i was a lil surprise why nobody atleast sign her to a training camp? she was a good PG

the SEC...man its a deep deep conference...i'm curious to see how Alexis Jennings plays in SC next year from transferring out of Kentucky, she was a solid player for the Lady WildCats



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Yeah, I'd pencil this in already "with the first pick in the 2018 draft, the San Antonio Stars select Aja Wilson from South Carolina".


Naw. Knowing them they'll sign another PG that they never needed in the first place. This team would be good right now had they kept Danielle Robinson along with Moriah Jefferson.


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Ay Mate wrote:
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Yeah, I'd pencil this in already "with the first pick in the 2018 draft, the San Antonio Stars select Aja Wilson from South Carolina".


Naw. Knowing them they'll sign another PG that they never needed in the first place. This team would be good right now had they kept Danielle Robinson along with Moriah Jefferson.


Agreed , If they would have kept D-Rob & Moriah along with Coates possibly , this team would be alot different !!!



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My mock draft if the season was over today....

1. San Antonio (Aja Wilson)
2. Chicago (Diamond DeShields)
3. Dallas (Teaira McCowan)
4. Atlanta (Mercedes Russell)
5. Connecticut (Kelsey Mitchell)
6. Indiana (Gabby Williams)
7. Phoenix (Briana Turner)
8. Seattle (Jordin Canada)
9. New York (Shakayla Thomas)
10. Washington (Monique Billings)
11. Los Angeles (Victoria Vivians)
12. Minnesota (Lexie Brown)


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basketballologist wrote:
My mock draft if the season was over today....

1. San Antonio (Aja Wilson)
2. Chicago (Diamond DeShields)
3. Dallas (Teaira McCowan)
4. Atlanta (Mercedes Russell)
5. Connecticut (Kelsey Mitchell)
6. Indiana (Gabby Williams)
7. Phoenix (Briana Turner)
8. Seattle (Jordin Canada)
9. New York (Shakayla Thomas)
10. Washington (Monique Billings)
11. Los Angeles (Victoria Vivians)
12. Minnesota (Lexie Brown)


I don't see Russell as a lottery pick. Nor do I see Vivians as a first round pick.



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basketballologist wrote:
My mock draft if the season was over today....

1. San Antonio (Aja Wilson)
2. Chicago (Diamond DeShields)
3. Dallas (Teaira McCowan)
4. Atlanta (Mercedes Russell)
5. Connecticut (Kelsey Mitchell)
6. Indiana (Gabby Williams)
7. Phoenix (Briana Turner)
8. Seattle (Jordin Canada)
9. New York (Shakayla Thomas)
10. Washington (Monique Billings)
11. Los Angeles (Victoria Vivians)
12. Minnesota (Lexie Brown)


I don't think it's very likely that Connecticut passes on Gabby Williams.


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Ay Mate wrote:
basketballologist wrote:
My mock draft if the season was over today....

1. San Antonio (Aja Wilson)
2. Chicago (Diamond DeShields)
3. Dallas (Teaira McCowan)
4. Atlanta (Mercedes Russell)
5. Connecticut (Kelsey Mitchell)
6. Indiana (Gabby Williams)
7. Phoenix (Briana Turner)
8. Seattle (Jordin Canada)
9. New York (Shakayla Thomas)
10. Washington (Monique Billings)
11. Los Angeles (Victoria Vivians)
12. Minnesota (Lexie Brown)


I don't think it's very likely that Connecticut passes on Gabby Williams.


I agree on that, Im excited to see Gabby's game grow to another level in her senior season, its gonna fun to watch. Heart, hustle, Speed, athletic ability off the charts, unselfish can pass, rebound...i mean who wouldn't want that? You know what you gonna get with UCONN players


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toad455 wrote:
basketballologist wrote:
My mock draft if the season was over today....

1. San Antonio (Aja Wilson)
2. Chicago (Diamond DeShields)
3. Dallas (Teaira McCowan)
4. Atlanta (Mercedes Russell)
5. Connecticut (Kelsey Mitchell)
6. Indiana (Gabby Williams)
7. Phoenix (Briana Turner)
8. Seattle (Jordin Canada)
9. New York (Shakayla Thomas)
10. Washington (Monique Billings)
11. Los Angeles (Victoria Vivians)
12. Minnesota (Lexie Brown)


I don't see Russell as a lottery pick. Nor do I see Vivians as a first round pick.


Thank you. I certainly hope she does not end up in Dream uniform.


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Randy wrote:
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basketballologist wrote:
My mock draft if the season was over today....

1. San Antonio (Aja Wilson)
2. Chicago (Diamond DeShields)
3. Dallas (Teaira McCowan)
4. Atlanta (Mercedes Russell)
5. Connecticut (Kelsey Mitchell)
6. Indiana (Gabby Williams)
7. Phoenix (Briana Turner)
8. Seattle (Jordin Canada)
9. New York (Shakayla Thomas)
10. Washington (Monique Billings)
11. Los Angeles (Victoria Vivians)
12. Minnesota (Lexie Brown)


I don't see Russell as a lottery pick. Nor do I see Vivians as a first round pick.


Thank you. I certainly hope she does not end up in Dream uniform.


I see russell at 6-10 . All those teams could use her at the 4 or 5 . I especially love the T. McCowan to Dallas Pick #Prayers



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basketballologist wrote:
My mock draft if the season was over today....

1. San Antonio (Aja Wilson)
2. Chicago (Diamond DeShields)
3. Dallas (Teaira McCowan)
4. Atlanta (Mercedes Russell)
5. Connecticut (Kelsey Mitchell)
6. Indiana (Gabby Williams)
7. Phoenix (Briana Turner)
8. Seattle (Jordin Canada)
9. New York (Shakayla Thomas)
10. Washington (Monique Billings)
11. Los Angeles (Victoria Vivians)
12. Minnesota (Lexie Brown)


Because 5'11" power forwards with no 3-point range have been drafted to highly in the past. Cough...Nina Davis. Replace with Kia Nurse and we're in complete agreement over the top 12 at this point, though, well done.

I'd like to add another name to the list of possible 1st rounders...Cecelia Zandalasini, a 21-year old Italian wing that has been the best player in EuroBasket so far. She has a big body and craftiness and jumper that reminds me a lot of Penny Taylor. I think she could be a legit player in the W if a team could get her to come over regularly.


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Russell is tall but seems lacking in skills and consistency. Dream don't really need another Holivay or Henry.


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PostPosted: 06/20/17 3:22 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Russell is tall but seems lacking in skills and consistency. Dream don't really need another Holivay or Henry.


Id give russell the edge over both of those players on the offensive end . Her offensive skills have proven themselves. Its her aggressiveness on the defensive & rebounding ends that worry me. Her offense is what will make her a top 10 pick.



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PostPosted: 06/20/17 3:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Russell has decent skills. The question with her is motivation, but that seems to be an issue with a lot of recent Tennessee players. Some would argue the problem is really coaching.

I agree with Nurse over Shakayla Thomas, especially if you're talking about New York. The Liberty like both defense and UConn players. I think Nared and Muldrow go before Thomas, and probably before Vivians.



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PostPosted: 06/20/17 5:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

i can see Indiana drafting Jordin Canada if January decides to retire at the end of the season


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PostPosted: 06/20/17 6:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Russell has decent skills. The question with her is motivation, but that seems to be an issue with a lot of recent Tennessee players. Some would argue the problem is really coaching.

I agree with Nurse over Shakayla Thomas, especially if you're talking about New York. The Liberty like both defense and UConn players. I think Nared and Muldrow go before Thomas, and probably before Vivians.


If she can't find it in the "rah-rah" atmosphere of LV Basketball, I don't think she will find it in the WNBA.

Nurse will be missing games fairly often, I would think, for the Canadian NT. Same for J. Canada. (Not saying anything about Thomas v. Nurse, however, since they play different positions.)


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PostPosted: 06/20/17 6:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Randy wrote:
root_thing wrote:
Russell has decent skills. The question with her is motivation, but that seems to be an issue with a lot of recent Tennessee players. Some would argue the problem is really coaching.

I agree with Nurse over Shakayla Thomas, especially if you're talking about New York. The Liberty like both defense and UConn players. I think Nared and Muldrow go before Thomas, and probably before Vivians.


If she can't find it in the "rah-rah" atmosphere of LV Basketball, I don't think she will find it in the WNBA.

Nurse will be missing games fairly often, I would think, for the Canadian NT. Same for J. Canada. (Not saying anything about Thomas v. Nurse, however, since they play different positions.)


You still want a player if she's really good. The Liberty traded for Prince even though they were well aware of her responsibilities to Russia. Besides, with so many Americans becoming "foreign", I don't know if you can safely say anyone isn't a risk for national team duty at some point.

Jordin Canada is an American. Unless California secedes from the US and becomes a separate country, she's not a risk at the moment. Wink



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PostPosted: 06/20/17 7:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

root_thing wrote:
Randy wrote:
root_thing wrote:
Russell has decent skills. The question with her is motivation, but that seems to be an issue with a lot of recent Tennessee players. Some would argue the problem is really coaching.

I agree with Nurse over Shakayla Thomas, especially if you're talking about New York. The Liberty like both defense and UConn players. I think Nared and Muldrow go before Thomas, and probably before Vivians.


If she can't find it in the "rah-rah" atmosphere of LV Basketball, I don't think she will find it in the WNBA.

Nurse will be missing games fairly often, I would think, for the Canadian NT. Same for J. Canada. (Not saying anything about Thomas v. Nurse, however, since they play different positions.)


You still want a player if she's really good. The Liberty traded for Prince even though they were well aware of her responsibilities to Russia. Besides, with so many Americans becoming "foreign", I don't know if you can safely say anyone isn't a risk for national team duty at some point.

Jordin Canada is an American. Unless California secedes from the US and becomes a separate country, she's not a risk at the moment. Wink


That's funny. I thought I read she was Canadian. I suppose the next thing you are going to say is that Joe Montana was not from Montana.


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PostPosted: 06/20/17 7:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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My mock draft if the season was over today....

1. San Antonio (Aja Wilson)
2. Chicago (Diamond DeShields)
3. Dallas (Teaira McCowan)
4. Atlanta (Mercedes Russell)
5. Connecticut (Kelsey Mitchell)
6. Indiana (Gabby Williams)
7. Phoenix (Briana Turner)
8. Seattle (Jordin Canada)
9. New York (Shakayla Thomas)
10. Washington (Monique Billings)
11. Los Angeles (Victoria Vivians)
12. Minnesota (Lexie Brown)


Because 5'11" power forwards with no 3-point range have been drafted to highly in the past. Cough...Nina Davis. Replace with Kia Nurse and we're in complete agreement over the top 12 at this point, though, well done.

I'd like to add another name to the list of possible 1st rounders...Cecelia Zandalasini, a 21-year old Italian wing that has been the best player in EuroBasket so far. She has a big body and craftiness and jumper that reminds me a lot of Penny Taylor. I think she could be a legit player in the W if a team could get her to come over regularly.


Agreed on Thomas, although I think her energy level could lead her to make it as a situational defensive specialist.

Unless the league mysteriously modified the rules, Zandalasini will not be eligible. It was somewhat surprising that she went undrafted last year and she can sign with anyone right now if they want her.

Again, it's interesting to try to rank Vadeeva on this list both as a prospect (assuming immediate availability and a desire to play when available) and to try to provide a reasonable discount factor knowing that she will likely not be here every season.
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PostPosted: 06/20/17 8:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

5'11 pf with no three point range doesn't that describe Gabby Williams?


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basketballologist wrote:
My mock draft if the season was over today....

1. San Antonio (Aja Wilson)
2. Chicago (Diamond DeShields)
3. Dallas (Teaira McCowan)
4. Atlanta (Mercedes Russell)
5. Connecticut (Kelsey Mitchell)
6. Indiana (Gabby Williams)
7. Phoenix (Briana Turner)
8. Seattle (Jordin Canada)
9. New York (Shakayla Thomas)
10. Washington (Monique Billings)
11. Los Angeles (Victoria Vivians)
12. Minnesota (Lexie Brown)


Because 5'11" power forwards with no 3-point range have been drafted to highly in the past. Cough...Nina Davis. Replace with Kia Nurse and we're in complete agreement over the top 12 at this point, though, well done.

I'd like to add another name to the list of possible 1st rounders...Cecelia Zandalasini, a 21-year old Italian wing that has been the best player in EuroBasket so far. She has a big body and craftiness and jumper that reminds me a lot of Penny Taylor. I think she could be a legit player in the W if a team could get her to come over regularly.


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PostPosted: 06/20/17 8:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think Russell is going to have a break out season this year. She was starting to show really well at the end of last year. If she plays consistently decent all season long her size and skill set will have her right on the border of the lottery.

Billings is my way too early pick for the Liberty.


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PostPosted: 06/20/17 8:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

blaase22 wrote:
5'11 pf with no three point range doesn't that describe Gabby Williams?


PickledGinger wrote:
basketballologist wrote:
My mock draft if the season was over today....

1. San Antonio (Aja Wilson)
2. Chicago (Diamond DeShields)
3. Dallas (Teaira McCowan)
4. Atlanta (Mercedes Russell)
5. Connecticut (Kelsey Mitchell)
6. Indiana (Gabby Williams)
7. Phoenix (Briana Turner)
8. Seattle (Jordin Canada)
9. New York (Shakayla Thomas)
10. Washington (Monique Billings)
11. Los Angeles (Victoria Vivians)
12. Minnesota (Lexie Brown)


Because 5'11" power forwards with no 3-point range have been drafted to highly in the past. Cough...Nina Davis. Replace with Kia Nurse and we're in complete agreement over the top 12 at this point, though, well done.

I'd like to add another name to the list of possible 1st rounders...Cecelia Zandalasini, a 21-year old Italian wing that has been the best player in EuroBasket so far. She has a big body and craftiness and jumper that reminds me a lot of Penny Taylor. I think she could be a legit player in the W if a team could get her to come over regularly.


I thought Williams was an undersized 4, but if you look at her numbers she has the game of a versatile combo forward, she has also shown and had success vs bigger players, Gabby is like the female kawhi leonard.
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PostPosted: 06/20/17 9:49 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

McCowan would still need to declare early for the 2018 draft. Should make her a top 5 pick along with Wilson, DeShields, Mitchell & Williams. Collier declaring early would definitely shake things up.



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PostPosted: 06/20/17 10:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Gabby Williams arrived at UConn as a guard. She was converted to 4 because the team didn't have enough posts. Williams can clearly handle the ball and she is an excellent passer (5.1 apg). Except for points, where Thomas has a slight edge, Gabby has better numbers across the board. Obviously, Williams is also a superior defender. She shouldn't have any trouble transitioning to either wing position. Yes, it will help if she develops a 3Pt shot, but Gabby brings enough to the table right now to justify a 1st Round pick.

I view Thomas as a small Shayla Cooper without the shooting range.



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PostPosted: 06/20/17 11:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Just for fun if it was today no early entries

1. SA Wilson (SA just got better, but make the playoffs better?)
2. Chi Deshields (This should help in Chicago)
3. Dallas Russell (I realize this is crazy but will look better after Tenn gets to the FF and Russell contributes to their success)
4. Atl Turner (If she returns from her ACl this season)
5. Conn G. Williams (Does she start at the 2, or back up 2-4?)
6. Indy K. Mitchell (Pokey can't believe her luck, attack of the Mitchell's back-court in Indy)
7. PX Billings (PX needs a big)
8. Seattle Canada (is she the heir apparent to Bird?)
9. NY Nared (The not flashy do everything SF the Liberty fans have been waiting for?)
10. Was L. Brown (Instant offense off the bench, Lexie will basically be the new Latta)
11. LA Vadeeva (N. Ogwumike a teammate of hers in Russia convinces her to come over to LA for the summer)
12. Minn Nurse (A future back court of Nurse and A. Jones could be interesting)


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