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PostPosted: 06/14/17 3:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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It makes EDD less of a threat than she could be (which is saying something, considering how scary she is anyway). Teams know how ridiculously unlikely she is to pass, so they can slide across into the lane or double her with impunity, because she gets about one assist per night. Which is freaking ridiculous. If she wasn't so damn good anyway, we'd say she's never grown out of the college mindset where her team's only real option was her scoring.

For a player who draws so much attention, which should create open teammates all over the floor, it's crazy how ittle she creates for others.


I agree. Partly it comes from her college choice and being so richly rewarded for shooting vs passing. Partly is comes from her WNBA coaches not forcing her to pass the ball. The other part is on EDD herself - as smart as she is, she has not yet figured out how important it is to continue developing her game. She and Mike T should TOGETHER be figuring out how she can pass out of the double/triple teams. Like I said above, her Mystics teammates act differently when she has the ball than they do any other time. It's a fixable issue but requires strong intervention on EDD and the team. Mike T is fully capable of doing this. Failure to take this on in Chicago falls on Pokey AND EDD.

EDD needs to watch film on CP3 and see how she changed the way she plays that turned LA into a winner - she's now a triple/double threat almost every game. EDD's teams will not achieve all that they should until she commits to this.



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Parker was a pretty gifted passer from the day she came into the League, long before Agler arrived and asked her to be even more of a distributor. She's always had the superstar mentality on top, but she has a vision that's probably 'unteachable' on a certain level.

But at the same time it shouldn't be impossibly hard to make EDD realise that when she's guarded by three opponents, a couple of her teammates are guarded by no one. I've never felt she was just a 'greedy' player like some (Tulsa-era Riquna Williams, old school Matee Ajavon, every day of Andrea Riley's life, etc.). She just seems to get tunnel vision, where she's going to shoot and little short of an earthquake could stop it. The 'pass' option needs to last in her head a little longer sometimes.



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But at the same time it shouldn't be impossibly hard to make EDD realise that when she's guarded by three opponents, a couple of her teammates are guarded by no one. I've never felt she was just a 'greedy' player like some (Tulsa-era Riquna Williams, old school Matee Ajavon, every day of Andrea Riley's life, etc.). She just seems to get tunnel vision, where she's going to shoot and little short of an earthquake could stop it. The 'pass' option needs to last in her head a little longer sometimes.


It's hard to think passing is a good option when your shots don't even have to go in to be counted



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One of the things we try to tell our players, even at the high school level, is "know who's on the floor."

Or, "If your contested shot has a better chance to go in than Sarah's wideopen shot, shoot the contested shot."

EDD shoots 49.6% from the field and most are contested, I'd guess, in one way or another. Tayler Hill, the worst shooter in the league for the last few years, is at 37.4%; TRP is at 32.1%. Emma is at 40% and Cloud is even worse.

So what's the percentage in kicking the ball to the perimeter, especially since even Toliver is barely above 40%?



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Richyyy wrote:
But at the same time it shouldn't be impossibly hard to make EDD realise that when she's guarded by three opponents, a couple of her teammates are guarded by no one. I've never felt she was just a 'greedy' player like some (Tulsa-era Riquna Williams, old school Matee Ajavon, every day of Andrea Riley's life, etc.). She just seems to get tunnel vision, where she's going to shoot and little short of an earthquake could stop it. The 'pass' option needs to last in her head a little longer sometimes.


It's hard to think passing is a good option when your shots don't even have to go in to be counted


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pilight wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
But at the same time it shouldn't be impossibly hard to make EDD realise that when she's guarded by three opponents, a couple of her teammates are guarded by no one. I've never felt she was just a 'greedy' player like some (Tulsa-era Riquna Williams, old school Matee Ajavon, every day of Andrea Riley's life, etc.). She just seems to get tunnel vision, where she's going to shoot and little short of an earthquake could stop it. The 'pass' option needs to last in her head a little longer sometimes.


It's hard to think passing is a good option when your shots don't even have to go in to be counted





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One of the things we try to tell our players, even at the high school level, is "know who's on the floor."

Or, "If your contested shot has a better chance to go in than Sarah's wideopen shot, shoot the contested shot."

EDD shoots 49.6% from the field and most are contested, I'd guess, in one way or another. Tayler Hill, the worst shooter in the league for the last few years, is at 37.4%; TRP is at 32.1%. Emma is at 40% and Cloud is even worse.

So what's the percentage in kicking the ball to the perimeter, especially since even Toliver is barely above 40%?


Good points Clay. But I think the rest of the team is shooting worse than usual. They certainly look like statues when EDD has the ball. Intervention is needed for this team to compete for the top of the league. The only player exceeding all expectations is Krystal Thomas who should be the #1 recipient of EDD passes - or anybody making a cut into the paint.

Seriously. Run drills with all the possible defenses of EDD, who's doubling, defensive rotations, etc and show players where to move in each case. Train EDD where to look for the moving player. I understand tunnel vision - I get it at work and miss opportunities. But, when shown where to look, it's WAY easy. Mike T and the whole team can make this happen. Getting easy layups will WAY up the shooting percentages.



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PostPosted: 06/14/17 11:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
One of the things we try to tell our players, even at the high school level, is "know who's on the floor."

Or, "If your contested shot has a better chance to go in than Sarah's wideopen shot, shoot the contested shot."

EDD shoots 49.6% from the field and most are contested, I'd guess, in one way or another. Tayler Hill, the worst shooter in the league for the last few years, is at 37.4%; TRP is at 32.1%. Emma is at 40% and Cloud is even worse.

So what's the percentage in kicking the ball to the perimeter, especially since even Toliver is barely above 40%?

If a player can't hit a wide open shot at a good clip then why are any of these players in the WNBA?



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ClayK wrote:
One of the things we try to tell our players, even at the high school level, is "know who's on the floor."

Or, "If your contested shot has a better chance to go in than Sarah's wideopen shot, shoot the contested shot."

EDD shoots 49.6% from the field and most are contested, I'd guess, in one way or another. Tayler Hill, the worst shooter in the league for the last few years, is at 37.4%; TRP is at 32.1%. Emma is at 40% and Cloud is even worse.

So what's the percentage in kicking the ball to the perimeter, especially since even Toliver is barely above 40%?

If a player can't hit a wide open shot at a good clip then why are any of these players in the WNBA?


Because shooting is way undervalued at the youth level. The minimum standard of athleticism required to play in the WNBA is so high that anyone who has that much athleticism can pretty much get to the rim whenever she wants throughout middle school, club and high school basketball.

Since parents are focused on winning meaningless seventh grade tournaments, they don't want their daughters missing jump shots (which is how you learn to make them) when they can drive every time and win lots of games. If coaches want to coach good players, they have to win, otherwise the parents take them to other coaches who are less concerned with player development.

So you have athletic and skilled perimeter players in both the men's and women's game who can do everything but shoot ...



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PostPosted: 06/15/17 10:21 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
ClayK wrote:
One of the things we try to tell our players, even at the high school level, is "know who's on the floor."

Or, "If your contested shot has a better chance to go in than Sarah's wideopen shot, shoot the contested shot."

EDD shoots 49.6% from the field and most are contested, I'd guess, in one way or another. Tayler Hill, the worst shooter in the league for the last few years, is at 37.4%; TRP is at 32.1%. Emma is at 40% and Cloud is even worse.

So what's the percentage in kicking the ball to the perimeter, especially since even Toliver is barely above 40%?

If a player can't hit a wide open shot at a good clip then why are any of these players in the WNBA?


Because shooting is way undervalued at the youth level. The minimum standard of athleticism required to play in the WNBA is so high that anyone who has that much athleticism can pretty much get to the rim whenever she wants throughout middle school, club and high school basketball.

Since parents are focused on winning meaningless seventh grade tournaments, they don't want their daughters missing jump shots (which is how you learn to make them) when they can drive every time and win lots of games. If coaches want to coach good players, they have to win, otherwise the parents take them to other coaches who are less concerned with player development.

So you have athletic and skilled perimeter players in both the men's and women's game who can do everything but shoot ...



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PostPosted: 06/15/17 12:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
Jet Jaguar wrote:
ClayK wrote:
One of the things we try to tell our players, even at the high school level, is "know who's on the floor."

Or, "If your contested shot has a better chance to go in than Sarah's wideopen shot, shoot the contested shot."

EDD shoots 49.6% from the field and most are contested, I'd guess, in one way or another. Tayler Hill, the worst shooter in the league for the last few years, is at 37.4%; TRP is at 32.1%. Emma is at 40% and Cloud is even worse.

So what's the percentage in kicking the ball to the perimeter, especially since even Toliver is barely above 40%?

If a player can't hit a wide open shot at a good clip then why are any of these players in the WNBA?


Because shooting is way undervalued at the youth level. The minimum standard of athleticism required to play in the WNBA is so high that anyone who has that much athleticism can pretty much get to the rim whenever she wants throughout middle school, club and high school basketball.

Since parents are focused on winning meaningless seventh grade tournaments, they don't want their daughters missing jump shots (which is how you learn to make them) when they can drive every time and win lots of games. If coaches want to coach good players, they have to win, otherwise the parents take them to other coaches who are less concerned with player development.

So you have athletic and skilled perimeter players in both the men's and women's game who can do everything but shoot ...

It's been notable with this current NBA draft class that everybody seems to love - the analysts go through all the players they like and 'must improve his shooting' and 'needs to work on jump shot' is repeated for virtually everybody. It's a matter of projecting who might be able to develop a shot, rather than seeing who can already shoot.



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PostPosted: 06/19/17 12:49 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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ClayK wrote:
One of the things we try to tell our players, even at the high school level, is "know who's on the floor."

Or, "If your contested shot has a better chance to go in than Sarah's wideopen shot, shoot the contested shot."

EDD shoots 49.6% from the field and most are contested, I'd guess, in one way or another. Tayler Hill, the worst shooter in the league for the last few years, is at 37.4%; TRP is at 32.1%. Emma is at 40% and Cloud is even worse.

So what's the percentage in kicking the ball to the perimeter, especially since even Toliver is barely above 40%?


Good points Clay. But I think the rest of the team is shooting worse than usual. They certainly look like statues when EDD has the ball. Intervention is needed for this team to compete for the top of the league. The only player exceeding all expectations is Krystal Thomas who should be the #1 recipient of EDD passes - or anybody making a cut into the paint.

Seriously. Run drills with all the possible defenses of EDD, who's doubling, defensive rotations, etc and show players where to move in each case. Train EDD where to look for the moving player. I understand tunnel vision - I get it at work and miss opportunities. But, when shown where to look, it's WAY easy. Mike T and the whole team can make this happen. Getting easy layups will WAY up the shooting percentages.


Update after 6/18 game vs Wings:

It looked to me like Mike T did EXACTLY what I suggested as the team looked a LOT better when EDD had the ball. And EDD was looking for the pass a lot more instead of forcing shots with three defenders hanging on her. The downside was EDD did not score as much and the team lost so back to the drawing board.

Then there's Toliver. KTO has greatly underachieved so far this season based on her years with LA under multiple different coaches. My thought on this is that she hasn't yet earned the green light with Mike T and/or the ball isn't coming back out to her later in the shot clock, where she excels at taking "the shot that isn't there." She isn't a spot up shooter like Tayler Hill. She shoots off the dribble when she appears to be covered by a defender and other defenders are busy covering her pass options. Is there something about Mike T's offense that disrupts KTO's timing? Or does she not have the green light to take the shots she's been making for several years at a very good clip?

On the other hand, LA looks to be better without her, as Chelsea Gray (being taller) is not the same defensive liability that Toliver always has been. Gray has shown herself to be capable of scoring well, but doesn't usually take as many shots, being a pass first PG. This is why Agler needs another outside scorer on the floor (Riquna or Odyssey), both of whom are better defenders than Kristi. And, while Kristi did make clear contributions to the LA Championship run, she was 5th or even 6th in terms of the strength of her contributions, only possibly beating out Essence Carson among the starters and even behind former bench player Chelsea Gray.

Basically, if KTO fails to provide more scoring, it might be time to move her to the bench in favor of a player who is not a defensive liability.



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Washington has played so slow, so academically, that Wings were able to shut down all shooters. Only penetrators like Hill and TRP felt good. Have shooters - move the ball! And Mystics were spending 10 seconds just to settle all players in offense. Terrible game. Tolliver had 17 points in run and gun win over Wings 2 weeks earlier. What has happened? I think, pace wasn't favorable for her and the team overall.


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Washington has played so slow, so academically, that Wings were able to shut down all shooters. Only penetrators like Hill and TRP felt good. Have shooters - move the ball! And Mystics were spending 10 seconds just to settle all players in offense. Terrible game. Tolliver had 17 points in run and gun win over Wings 2 weeks earlier. What has happened? I think, pace wasn't favorable for her and the team overall.


Yes, they've been one of the slower teams in the league, and the constant ball reversal makes them somewhat predictable to defend. EDD said earlier that the team has no quick hitters, which I find odd for a roster built like this. 3-point shooting is one thing but this offense isn't a very modern one.



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Mike and Eric Thibault will miss Friday's game against Minnesota due to the death of their father/grandfather.


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Mike and Eric Thibault will miss Friday's game against Minnesota due to the death of their father/grandfather.


That leaves Marianne Stanley in charge with no assistance? That should be interesting.



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readyAIMfire53 wrote:
ClayK wrote:
One of the things we try to tell our players, even at the high school level, is "know who's on the floor."

Or, "If your contested shot has a better chance to go in than Sarah's wideopen shot, shoot the contested shot."

EDD shoots 49.6% from the field and most are contested, I'd guess, in one way or another. Tayler Hill, the worst shooter in the league for the last few years, is at 37.4%; TRP is at 32.1%. Emma is at 40% and Cloud is even worse.

So what's the percentage in kicking the ball to the perimeter, especially since even Toliver is barely above 40%?



Update after 6/18 game vs Wings:

It looked to me like Mike T did EXACTLY what I suggested as the team looked a LOT better when EDD had the ball. And EDD was looking for the pass a lot more instead of forcing shots with three defenders hanging on her. The downside was EDD did not score as much and the team lost so back to the drawing board.

Then there's Toliver. KTO has greatly underachieved so far this season based on her years with LA under multiple different coaches. My thought on this is that she hasn't yet earned the green light with Mike T and/or the ball isn't coming back out to her later in the shot clock, where she excels at taking "the shot that isn't there." She isn't a spot up shooter like Tayler Hill. She shoots off the dribble when she appears to be covered by a defender and other defenders are busy covering her pass options. Is there something about Mike T's offense that disrupts KTO's timing? Or does she not have the green light to take the shots she's been making for several years at a very good clip?

On the other hand, LA looks to be better without her, as Chelsea Gray (being taller) is not the same defensive liability that Toliver always has been. Gray has shown herself to be capable of scoring well, but doesn't usually take as many shots, being a pass first PG. This is why Agler needs another outside scorer on the floor (Riquna or Odyssey), both of whom are better defenders than Kristi. And, while Kristi did make clear contributions to the LA Championship run, she was 5th or even 6th in terms of the strength of her contributions, only possibly beating out Essence Carson among the starters and even behind former bench player Chelsea Gray.

Basically, if KTO fails to provide more scoring, it might be time to move her to the bench in favor of a player who is not a defensive liability.



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Shades wrote:
lynxmania wrote:
Mike and Eric Thibault will miss Friday's game against Minnesota due to the death of their father/grandfather.


That leaves Marianne Stanley in charge with no assistance? That should be interesting.


She did a great job coaching the team back in the early 2000s before she was fired.


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...and had the highest net plus-minus on the team, with only the MVP close.


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wnbafan wrote:
Shades wrote:
lynxmania wrote:
Mike and Eric Thibault will miss Friday's game against Minnesota due to the death of their father/grandfather.


That leaves Marianne Stanley in charge with no assistance? That should be interesting.


She did a great job coaching the team back in the early 2000s before she was fired.


She had one decent year, in which the Mystics went 17-15 and had the one and only playoff series win in franchise history. The next season the team fell to 9-25 and she was unsurprisingly canned.

Now that I think about it, that is pretty great by Mystics standards. 17-15 is the second best regular season record in team history.



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pilight wrote:
wnbafan wrote:
Shades wrote:
lynxmania wrote:
Mike and Eric Thibault will miss Friday's game against Minnesota due to the death of their father/grandfather.


That leaves Marianne Stanley in charge with no assistance? That should be interesting.


She did a great job coaching the team back in the early 2000s before she was fired.


She had one decent year, in which the Mystics went 17-15 and had the one and only playoff series win in franchise history. The next season the team fell to 9-25 and she was unsurprisingly canned.

Now that I think about it, that is pretty great by Mystics standards. 17-15 is the second best regular season record in team history.


Hmm. Well, to my knowledge, Anne Donovan isn't doing anything hoops-related right now...



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Any thoughts?
http://www.marieclaire.com/culture/q-and-a/a27815/elena-delle-donne-ted-leonsis-mystics-wnba/?src=socialflowTW[url][/url]



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But there are 20 games a year with playoffs, and for 17 of those games we have about 3,000 people in the building. When you have 3,000 or 4,000 people in a 20,000 seat building, you look unsuccessful. On Sunday, we had a good crowd of about 5,000. The entire upper deck of Verizon Center was empty. And I mean, not a soul!


so he's basically admitting to lying about the attendance numbers they report. Their last game was reported at over 7,000.

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This is new...

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those three time a year where there's Camp Days, the Mystics will still play at the Verizon Center!



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This is new...

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Gotta boost their overall average somehow.



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What a fraud. He talks about how lack of TV exposure holds back the league, but he is one of the very most restrictive in blacking out games that are on the NBA network or even road games on League Pass so that he can sell his Monumental Sports streaming subscriptions. You're right Ted. It's hard to see the Mystics on TV because YOU block people from watching the Mystics on TV.

And then you babble about what a great place Ward 8 is going be and just happen to "forget" to mention that the reason the Mystics are moving there is so you can have a free Wizards practice facility. "And, and so I view it as a really, really positive thing for the WNBA, and the team, we're spending a lot of money on it, and I, I believe in it." No, no, Ted, the City is spending a lot of money on it, and what you believe in is having someone else pay for your building.


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Any thoughts?
http://www.marieclaire.com/culture/q-and-a/a27815/elena-delle-donne-ted-leonsis-mystics-wnba/?src=socialflowTW[url][/url]


Biggest bunch of BS I've seen in awhile.

Sheila Johnson is the worst thing that ever happened to the Mystics. She, together with Leonsis destroyed a once thriving fanbase by going cheap and disrespecting the angry fans. Most of those fans will not return.

Before Sheila, the Mystics didn't inflate attendance and the big arena was rocking and pulling in the most powerful women in DC who wanted to be seen at the games. Sheila has done nothing but market herself every chance she gets. It's my new resort this and my new resort that. It's like her only purpose in being with the ownership group is to market her resorts. Her PR skills with respect to the Mystics suck donkey dicks.

Leonsis puts on a show that he cares about the Mystics but that's all it is: show. Just like he pretended to do all the jobs in the arena including cleaning toilets to show he was "one of the people." If he cared one iota about the Mystics, he would have pulled Sheila out as soon as her PR idiocy became apparent. Oh, and letting Trudi Lacey destroy the product on the floor for three full seasons - there is no excuse for that. Cheap. Cheap. Cheap. That's all it was.

Elena is playing her part. She wanted to move closer to home and she wanted to play for Mike T. But let's not pretend they had a track record of good management as it's pretty much the opposite. Moving to a small arena is nothing but admitting they crapped the pooch at the phone booth and now they've got to live with it.

Trying to pretend this is part of a plan to increase the success of the Mystics is deluded. If, by chance, they start filling the tiny arena, there is no plan to move to accommodate the fans. They have simply put a ceiling on future growth. Because, no matter what, the Styx are staying in that tiny God forsaken little place.

I support the team Mike T built. But there is no love lost on the ownership group.



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Because shooting is way undervalued at the youth level. The minimum standard of athleticism required to play in the WNBA is so high that anyone who has that much athleticism can pretty much get to the rim whenever she wants throughout middle school, club and high school basketball.

Since parents are focused on winning meaningless seventh grade tournaments, they don't want their daughters missing jump shots (which is how you learn to make them) when they can drive every time and win lots of games. If coaches want to coach good players, they have to win, otherwise the parents take them to other coaches who are less concerned with player development.

So you have athletic and skilled perimeter players in both the men's and women's game who can do everything but shoot ...


Exhibit A tonight:

De'Aaron Fox, 1-and-done PG out of Kentucky, drafted #5 by the Kings. Bilas is raving about him being the second highest transition scorer in college and about having elite speed, but then says he needs to work on his shooting because he only shot 24% from the arc.

Sounds just like what you've been talking about with the women. But this guy's about to make $20million without being able to shoot a lick.

BTW, the NBA draft started off with seven straight freshmen being drafted, followed by a 18 year old PG from France who turned pro when he was 15.


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She had one decent year, in which the Mystics went 17-15 and had the one and only playoff series win in franchise history.


And she has the most playoff wins in Mystics history. She is the Mystics most successful coach.


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Mysticsfan12 wrote:
Any thoughts?
http://www.marieclaire.com/culture/q-and-a/a27815/elena-delle-donne-ted-leonsis-mystics-wnba/?src=socialflowTW[url][/url]


Biggest bunch of BS I've seen in awhile.


I agree with most of your comments, except where you wrote:

"Moving to a small arena is nothing but admitting they crapped the pooch at the phone booth and now they've got to live with it."


That suggests the move had anything to do with Mystics. I don't think Mystics success, failure, or attendance had anything to do with it. It was simply "So Mayor, if we throw in the Mystics as part of the deal, you'll pay for our Wizards practice facility and for the Mystics arena? Say no more. Consider it done." But what, you ask, about the effect on the Mystics and their fans? Who cares. Not relevant to anything.


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pilight wrote:

She had one decent year, in which the Mystics went 17-15 and had the one and only playoff series win in franchise history.


And she has the most playoff wins in Mystics history. She is the Mystics most successful coach.


Which is like bragging about owning the fastest Yugo on your block



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ArtBest23 wrote:
readyAIMfire53 wrote:
Mysticsfan12 wrote:
Any thoughts?
http://www.marieclaire.com/culture/q-and-a/a27815/elena-delle-donne-ted-leonsis-mystics-wnba/?src=socialflowTW[url][/url]


Biggest bunch of BS I've seen in awhile.


I agree with most of your comments, except where you wrote:

"Moving to a small arena is nothing but admitting they crapped the pooch at the phone booth and now they've got to live with it."


That suggests the move had anything to do with Mystics. I don't think Mystics success, failure, or attendance had anything to do with it. It was simply "So Mayor, if we throw in the Mystics as part of the deal, you'll pay for our Wizards practice facility and for the Mystics arena? Say no more. Consider it done." But what, you ask, about the effect on the Mystics and their fans? Who cares. Not relevant to anything.


I agree with this. I was addressing his statements about how this was such a win-win for the Mystics and that area of town. It was always about his own bottom line. What Leonsis does with his business had absolutely nothing to do with the Mystics. He and Sheila already destroyed the best fanbase in the league and now lament the lack of fan support. They screwed the pooch.



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I will say that watching them on league pass and some of the Youtube videos put up you do see better attendance than any recent year. How many I'm not sure, but a careful count of Verizon shows roughly 7500 seats in the lower level. The ends are usually fairly empty and the cameras generally speaking only focus on one side but that side looks fairly full. Moving to the Wizards practice facility next season will probably be a disaster, both in terms of team morale and attendance/bottom line. For one it is very condescending and insulting to the athletes and it is going to be tough to attract free agents there. Also Ward 8 is certainly not the most tourist/business friendly in DC. I am not super familiar with DC (I live in almost the complete antithesis of DC) but I heard parking and public transportation (important in any big city out East) could be problematic. I don't think the Wizard's ownership shows this team much respect. I think they used the Mystics to get the Wizards a new practice facility.
On a similar note does anyone else see a real serious chasm between the well managed teams in the WNBA and ones that seem to languish in general?


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pilight wrote:
tfan wrote:
pilight wrote:

She had one decent year, in which the Mystics went 17-15 and had the one and only playoff series win in franchise history.


And she has the most playoff wins in Mystics history. She is the Mystics most successful coach.


Which is like bragging about owning the fastest Yugo on your block


I think that means Thibault currently has the second fastest Yugo on the block.


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Honestly I found that article offensive. I like ted to a point but this is beyond lies...Most politicians would blush at some of these Pants on Fire lies.

Namely the Piss in my ear and tell me its raining about that "WNBA specific" arena when its really a practice court for the Wizards.

I am actually FOR smaller facilities...but 8-10...NOT 4.5...this hurts everyone in the league as it deflates attendance numbers for all. His camp day comments have SOME merit but don't add up across the whole season.

My other issue is theres a law of diminishing returns...we see it At Mohegan...You've seen it at UIC Pavillion and am seeing it at Dallas...no one wants to be in the last row...so attendance suffers...those close are loyal.

THEN

The comment about NBA owners.

If he means Expansion...fine...that makes some logic...but saying independent owners can't swing it.

WANNA TELL THAT TO Glider or Karen Bryant.

WANNA TELL THAT TO THE TRIBE? Who helped the league keep its prestige (even if it became boring for fans) through the great recession...when the league was in peril. Who have done nothing but give and give to this league and often have had much taken because of location?

Sure you've had your Hilton Koches (who IMHO was set up to fail anyway)

But if Independent owners are so bad explain Gordon gund, Alexander, etc...who invest nothing and then got pissed and walked away when they didn't get profitability normally at a FRACTION of the losses the men's teams took...

That got my goat...BIG TIME...YES you have Glen Taylor who has dedicated himself to growing WBB even when the lynx and their attendance was bad, YES you have the Pacers and Spurs who do get behind their clubs

But what about Maloof...or Miami, or Orlando ETC ETC ETC...

This is just so beyond wrong...

As for some attendances...Lib attendances have been pretty much as advertised each game...its down, and that's alarming but we will see how it goes...but Yeah you think games are dull at NBA arenas never been to MSG...Or the casino...so I suggest those fanbases start the trolling now...

CAN...YOU...HEAR...US?!?!?!?!



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I see your frustration boiling over. It's too bad but entirely justifiable.
Everybody hates being lied to. I think we can all agree on that. One of the reasons I don't care for Lisa Borders.


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josephkramer44 wrote:
I see your frustration boiling over. It's too bad but entirely justifiable.
Everybody hates being lied to. I think we can all agree on that. One of the reasons I don't care for Lisa Borders.


And I'm A lib fan...Mystics fan have been pretty much pissed on...im sure they'll give you the long and horrid history...they had a solid fanbase...they ferretted it away and then blamed the fans for not showing up...Sad as hell...at least he stuck with it...will give him credit for that of course Smile



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Happycappie25 wrote:

Namely the Piss in my ear and tell me its raining about that "WNBA specific" arena when its really a practice court for the Wizards.


Not exactly. The practice complex and the arena are both part of the same facility, but are separate. The Wizards get a dedicated practice facility. In addition there is a 4200 seat arena in which the Mystics will be one of the tenants supposedly along with concerts and other activities.

You're right about the 8-10,000 being a good size. 4,200 is a joke.

Promising the Mystics as something to help utilize the arena was part of the bargain for the city paying most of the cost of both the arena and the Wizards facility.

Mayor Bowsher didn't want to be embarrassed by having this place sit completely vacant.

BTW, a private developer and concert promoter are building a dedicated 6,000 seat state of the art concert venue in a billion dollar office, condo, restaurant, and entertainment development along the Potomac waterfront in DC. The Foo Fighters will be the grand opening concert in November. Not sure how this Ward 8 arena is supposed to compete with that for mid-size concerts.


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ArtBest23 wrote:
Happycappie25 wrote:

Namely the Piss in my ear and tell me its raining about that "WNBA specific" arena when its really a practice court for the Wizards.


You're right about the 8-10,000 being a good size. 4,200 is a joke.



Especially when the team used to draw more fans than could even fit in a 8-10K seat. 4,200 max is embarrassing for the team and league. If they had a fraction of an ounce of caring about this team, they would have done better.



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Especially when the team used to draw more fans than could even fit in a 8-10K seat.


I was an STH back then. Not only did the phone booth rock with Mystics fans but so did the Metro. The excitement started on the ride there and continued on the ride home.
Sad


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Back to the team. After tonight's victory over the Liberty, I'm seeing some separation between the Styx and everyone else in the standings. The biggest fight for the playoffs might be for 4th place. Can the Styx get over the hump this year and compete for 2nd or even 1st? I don't see it until Emma gets incorporated into this team. Certainly decisive losses to Minny make it seem unlikely for this season. But the future is VERY bright!

Encouraging signs:

EDD getting more assists and rebounds
Tayler contributing with assists and steals when her shot's not falling
Krystal Thomas! Her best WNBA season yet. Her scoring is gravy.
THawk backing up at Center - she can't defend the BIGS (Fowles,Griner) but she's doing fine against everyone else.
Latta - didn't know she had this left in the tank, but she's still a great spark



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readyAIMfire53 wrote:
Back to the team. After tonight's victory over the Liberty, I'm seeing some separation between the Styx and everyone else in the standings. The biggest fight for the playoffs might be for 4th place


There is only 1.5 games between No. 4 (Pho) and No. 10 (Atlanta)


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readyAIMfire53 wrote:
Back to the team. After tonight's victory over the Liberty, I'm seeing some separation between the Styx and everyone else in the standings. The biggest fight for the playoffs might be for 4th place


There is only 1.5 games between No. 4 (Pho) and No. 10 (Atlanta)


Exactly. And there's now a full 2.0 games between 3rd place Mystics and (tied for 4th) Liberty and Mercury. That's a little separation between the Mystics and the major clump below.

I'm making my prediction right now that the Sun end up in 4th place and are spared a first round game along with the Styx. Either team could fall to any of the teams ranked 5-8 (the clump).



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I'm just news-catching, and this is pretty amusing

Elena Delle Donne trolled Lonzo Ball and his $495 shoes on behalf of Nike

‎@De11eDonne
How great would it be if @ZO2_ blew out his shoe in his first summer league game? should have gone with @Nike

‎@De11eDonne
Did I just see a shoe malfunction?! I think sooooo!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2017/07/07/elena-delle-donne-trolled-lonzo-ball-and-his-495-shoes-on-behalf-of-nike/?utm_term=.e5fa89bc7268



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Natasha Cloud Thriving in WNBA

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2017/07/10/st-joes-product-natasha-cloud-wnba/

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“I’ve kind of fit into this role of coming off the bench a little bit easier than what I thought,” Cloud says. “I had been starting the previous two years, but acquiring a point guard of Kristi Toliver’s caliber, I kind of figured it was coming.



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Natasha Cloud Thriving in WNBA

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2017/07/10/st-joes-product-natasha-cloud-wnba/

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“I’ve kind of fit into this role of coming off the bench a little bit easier than what I thought,” Cloud says. “I had been starting the previous two years, but acquiring a point guard of Kristi Toliver’s caliber, I kind of figured it was coming.


IMHO Cloud has excelled at her role. I said last year the Mystics would not be competing for the top while she's in the starting lineup but she'd make a great contributor off the bench. She does a lot of things slightly above average but nothing well above average. The fact that she has decent size for a guard and that defense is probably her strongest skill/talent makes her an ideal utility player off the bench for 1-3. They haven't used her as much at the 3 since Emma returned and they started using the tall lineup, with EDD at the 3, Emma at 4 and K.Thomas at 5. When EDD or Emma comes out, TRP moves over to her normal spot at the 3



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so any word on EDD or Hill?



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so any word on EDD or Hill?


Both players are currently listed as questionable, but based on the early line (Washington favored by 2.5), it seems that the odds makers think EDD will play. I doubt Hill will play.


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myrtle wrote:
so any word on EDD or Hill?


Both players are currently listed as questionable, but based on the early line (Washington favored by 2.5), it seems that the odds makers think EDD will play. I doubt Hill will play.


Tayler Hill, ACL, out for the season.



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