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| Something tells me Liz will play for dallas in 2018,sign a big overseas contract,then skip the W for the next 2-3 years.Dallas' draft position in 2018 will determine whether I want cambage or not.If we miss the playoffs and lose the 2018 draft lottery,dallas should welcome Cambage back with open arms.But if we score the #1 pick,trading Cambage would be the best option. |
For me, I'd say "fuck off mate" and don't come to any games this year because you will only be a distraction.
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| Posted: 04/28/17 1:33 pm ::: |
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| Something tells me Liz will play for dallas in 2018,sign a big overseas contract,then skip the W for the next 2-3 years.Dallas' draft position in 2018 will determine whether I want cambage or not.If we miss the playoffs and lose the 2018 draft lottery,dallas should welcome Cambage back with open arms.But if we score the #1 pick,trading Cambage would be the best option. |
Playing overseas most of the year is not her thing. Big reason why China didnt work out for her either. Her signing with the Boomers and playing in the WNBL this season is connected with her decision to play in the WNBA again..
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| Posted: 04/28/17 1:36 pm ::: |
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| If Fred is still the coach, she might come and play. She seems to need a low pressure coach who won't demand much from her.
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| Posted: 04/28/17 1:47 pm ::: |
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| If Fred is still the coach, she might come and play. She seems to need a low pressure coach who won't demand much from her. |
A coach who only wants to run down the floor in transistion all the time might not be the way to go tbh. Although from what ive seen from her she looks in very good shape.
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| Posted: 04/28/17 6:12 pm ::: |
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The belief that including a UConn player on a team will having their "winning ways" rub off on the other players on the team is a ridiculous thought. How much has the presence of Tuck and Faris made the Sun a winning team? Why wasn't Seattle good when they had Montgomery? Why wasn't San Antonio good last season with Jefferson? Obviously it takes more than having a UConn player on your roster. Isn't there a UConn player on almost every WNBA roster? Really weird thing for him to write.
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| Posted: 04/28/17 6:27 pm ::: |
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| They also mentioned Gray and Davis and SC's National Title so I don't think it necessarily meant UConn only.
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| Posted: 04/28/17 8:34 pm ::: |
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| They also mentioned Gray and Davis and SC's National Title so I don't think it necessarily meant UConn only. |
It is equally weird to write that. I was not railing against UConn (clearly the most successful NCAA program), but rather the crazy idea that having someone from a winning team will somehow transform a different team. Is it possible that George Mason will now become competitive because they have UConn transfer Natalie Butler?
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| Posted: 04/28/17 8:43 pm ::: |
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| Yes. To a point. Uconn gets the the best HS players.
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| Posted: 04/28/17 8:46 pm ::: |
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| It can't hurt. Maya was transformative to the Lynx culture. Night and day difference.
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| Posted: 04/28/17 8:52 pm ::: |
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| It can't hurt. Maya was transformative to the Lynx culture. Night and day difference. |
I've heard that Charde Houston injected the Lynx with the UConn culture and got them spiritually and mentally on the UConn track before Moore did. She just added her athletic talent to the table that former UConn great Houston had already set.
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| Posted: 04/28/17 11:15 pm ::: |
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The belief that including a UConn player on a team will having their "winning ways" rub off on the other players on the team is a ridiculous thought. How much has the presence of Tuck and Faris made the Sun a winning team? Why wasn't Seattle good when they had Montgomery? Why wasn't San Antonio good last season with Jefferson? Obviously it takes more than having a UConn player on your roster. Isn't there a UConn player on almost every WNBA roster? Really weird thing for him to write. |
Playing team basketball has psychological and intellectual components. It's not all about physical skills and metrics.
There are such real things, although perhaps not measurable, as good and bad chemistry, morale and a winning attitude. It's not ridiculous to posit that players from from a winning culture can improve the chemistry, morale and attitudes of players who are psychologically stuck in a culture of losing.
Also, there are such intellectual things as basketball smarts and ingrained learnings as to how to work best with teammates and make them better. Players who were trained by highly successful college coaches may bring aspects of this intellectual learning to an unsuccessful team.
Whether any given player from a highly successful team has ever given such a psychological or intellectual boost to a WNBA team . . . well . . . I think the most honest thing to say is that such an effect can't be measured, rather than just dismissing the possibility as absurd.
In this case, I think the coach is expressing hope that at least three of the players can, collectively, bring these kinds of psychological strengths and basketball smarts to boost the other players, some of whom may never have experienced elite basketball success even though they are on a pro team. |
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| Posted: 04/29/17 9:43 am ::: |
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| Fighting Artichoke wrote: |
The belief that including a UConn player on a team will having their "winning ways" rub off on the other players on the team is a ridiculous thought. How much has the presence of Tuck and Faris made the Sun a winning team? Why wasn't Seattle good when they had Montgomery? Why wasn't San Antonio good last season with Jefferson? Obviously it takes more than having a UConn player on your roster. Isn't there a UConn player on almost every WNBA roster? Really weird thing for him to write. |
Playing team basketball has psychological and intellectual components. It's not all about physical skills and metrics.
There are such real things, although perhaps not measurable, as good and bad chemistry, morale and a winning attitude. It's not ridiculous to posit that players from from a winning culture can improve the chemistry, morale and attitudes of players who are psychologically stuck in a culture of losing.
Also, there are such intellectual things as basketball smarts and ingrained learnings as to how to work best with teammates and make them better. Players who were trained by highly successful college coaches may bring aspects of this intellectual learning to an unsuccessful team.
Whether any given player from a highly successful team has ever given such a psychological or intellectual boost to a WNBA team . . . well . . . I think the most honest thing to say is that such an effect can't be measured, rather than just dismissing the possibility as absurd.
In this case, I think the coach is expressing hope that at least three of the players can, collectively, bring these kinds of psychological strengths and basketball smarts to boost the other players, some of whom may never have experienced elite basketball success even though they are on a pro team. |
Point well taken, but the only players who can really influence other players are those who have the respect of those players -- and that comes from being one of the best players on the team, or having an Olympic-level history.
Bench players unfortunately can't really be leaders, except in the most unusual circumstances. Leadership comes from the people who get the job done on the floor, and if someone who is worse than a starter tries to tell the starter what to do, she is very unlikely to listen.
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| Posted: 04/29/17 7:26 pm ::: |
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Seems it was Thornton that was the 3D high scorer. Hoping she makes the team!
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| Posted: 04/29/17 8:01 pm ::: |
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It wasn't said that rookies can't influence a team (psychologically or emotionally), it was said that bench players can't do it.
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| Posted: 04/29/17 8:22 pm ::: |
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| Looks like their winning ways rubbed Davis, Gray and Chong really quickly. Now they just losers like the rest of the Wings.
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| Posted: 04/29/17 9:00 pm ::: |
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It wasn't said that rookies can't influence a team (psychologically or emotionally), it was said that bench players can't do it. |
The three rookies from Final Four teams not only came off the bench, but they significantly influenced the team realistically and statistically. The three scored 48% of the Wings' FG's, 44% of the points, 33% of the assists, and 26% of the rebounds from the guard position.
Perhaps the three never again do this, and perhaps some or all are cut, but never let it be gainsaid that . . . Coach Williams' three Fab Five rookies from Final Four programs come off the bench to significantly influence one WNBA game. |
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