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PostPosted: 04/20/17 10:34 pm    ::: The latest pic of Shoni (suprising!) Reply Reply with quote



From the past few weeks...she's kept a low profile. As always, angles can be deceiving, but I must say from her cheeks and lack of a gut in this pic, she looks good! Deserves it's own thread? Wink


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PostPosted: 04/21/17 1:29 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I saw this too. I mean, it doesn't look like she is down to her rookie weight but it does look like an improvement from last season. Ive learned not to get my hopes up with Shoni tho.


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PostPosted: 04/21/17 5:05 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I saw this too. I mean, it doesn't look like she is down to her rookie weight but it does look like an improvement from last season. Ive learned not to get my hopes up with Shoni tho.


She has her chance to earn it...we know what she's capable of from her rookie year...if she beats out Boyd and earns rotation minutes...she's welcome....but she has to earn a role and fill that role every game just like anyone else on this ballclub



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PostPosted: 04/21/17 6:37 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I remember seeing her in the Dream training camp as a rookie, and she really looked quite good at the time and she is not quite there, but certainly better than last year.. Fitness and weight are only part of the question. Also important is whether she has been working on her game over the off-season. She probably should have been playing in puck up games against men and working on her defense. I'd still like to see her succeed (if only because that might mean Boyd would become available), but I'm with AAOK423.


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I remember seeing her in the Dream training camp as a rookie, and she really looked quite good at the time and she is not quite there, but certainly better than last year.. Fitness and weight are only part of the question. Also important is whether she has been working on her game over the off-season. She probably should have been playing in puck up games against men and working on her defense. I'd still like to see her succeed (if only because that might mean Boyd would become available), but I'm with AAOK423.


THIS I think what Set Bill off at the Holiday Party and sets off most alarm bells is she didn't play overseas...couple this with JUDE playing overseas in Spain (Nice college player but no W prospect IMHO) just makes you go wtf...and yes she needs to hone her game especially on D...her coming out as ASGMVP Shoni only makes her a bad fit (tho one I'd keep if only to build trade value) she needs to evolve from that performance to truly stick and be a part of this very defensive, fundamental based system...this was reflected in the time she DID play. She was Shoni on offense but on D she looked completely out of place...but the fitness was the more pressing issue...I wish her luck...will give her the fairest of shakes during preseason but she has quite the hill to climb



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What's the problem with taking a season off from competing? Personally I still believe that's the best way to work on your game. Much easier to do it than if you're playing and training with a team. The only down side is the lack of income. The upside is it's far easier to look after your body and spend time improving your skills.
I don't know what Shoni actually got up to, but unless someone here does, I don't think it's right to assume that the answer is nothing just because she wasn't with a pro team.



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PostPosted: 04/21/17 12:50 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I saw this too. I mean, it doesn't look like she is down to her rookie weight but it does look like an improvement from last season. Ive learned not to get my hopes up with Shoni tho.


She has her chance to earn it...we know what she's capable of from her rookie year...if she beats out Boyd and earns rotation minutes...she's welcome....but she has to earn a role and fill that role every game just like anyone else on this ballclub


Absolutely. No one is handing her anything anymore because her name or reputation. There are too many talented kids coming into the league (especially next year) for her not to be at her best....and if she is not at her best I don't see her sticking on any team for very long.


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PostPosted: 04/22/17 8:49 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The realm of possibilities for Shoni are huge. She could do anything from getting cut the first day at camp (if she even shows) to making the team and being voted an All Star again and anything in between including being waived or traded. If it weren't for the Plum drama Shoni might just be the "Most Interesting Player in the W" over the coming days. Sadly I'm expecting an unhappy ending to this story.


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PostPosted: 04/22/17 9:02 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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What's the problem with taking a season off from competing? Personally I still believe that's the best way to work on your game. Much easier to do it than if you're playing and training with a team. The only down side is the lack of income. The upside is it's far easier to look after your body and spend time improving your skills.
I don't know what Shoni actually got up to, but unless someone here does, I don't think it's right to assume that the answer is nothing just because she wasn't with a pro team.

Based on how she showed up in camp the last 2 years, I don't think it's right to assume she is doing something.



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PostPosted: 04/22/17 9:30 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

We'll see. Boyd I think is safe because her defense and speed are so much better than Shoni's, even if she is in shape. Hartley I think is safe because you know she is in outstanding shape and you can count on decent backup numbers from her. And she is gritty on the defensive end even if occasionally overmatched from a size standpoint.

That leaves Shoni and Lindsay Allen as far as Shoni making the NY roster. I don't see it for Shoni in NY but if she's in decent basketball shape she could easily hook on elsewhere. And I'd love to see Shoni succeed here. I love her offensive talent and I was impressed with how disciplined she was offensively last year in a more disciplined NY offensive system. Her basketball IQ is very, very high and her court vision just enhances her high-IQ play. I'd really like to see her make it here but this isn't a team that is going to let you play turnstile-like defense and stay on the floor.



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Shoni's 3 point shooting could save her. That was one thing the Liberty lacked big time last season. She definitely has talent and if she shows up 100%, I see her making the roster over someone like Hartley & Allen. I biggest problem is still at SF. Looks like we'll be stuck with Allen & Zellous at SF with Burdick sliding over when needed.

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PostPosted: 04/22/17 9:58 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'm just relieved she's resurfaced.



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PostPosted: 04/22/17 10:53 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The guessing will be over soon. Hopefully, we'll get some training camp video on Monday or maybe even tomorrow late in the day.



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PostPosted: 04/23/17 11:17 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Wow! She didn't even show up for camp ....I'm over it. I'm gonna find a new player to love


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PostPosted: 04/23/17 11:39 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Wow! She didn't even show up for camp ....I'm over it. I'm gonna find a new player to love


How do you know this?



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root_thing wrote:
SDHoops wrote:
Wow! She didn't even show up for camp ....I'm over it. I'm gonna find a new player to love


How do you know this?

On the Lib's Snapchat of camp..everyone (except the five overseas still) listed on the training camp roster is there but her. They don't even have a water bottle with her name on it. Maybe she went off the radar for a reason...that reason being she's stepping away from pro ball. I wish she would've released a statement or something!


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PostPosted: 04/23/17 12:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So maybe Shoni, Bone, and Monica Wright are forming a secret team. In all seriousness, sad to see a talent like hers not be playing. I think looking back on it, winning the ASG MVP may have been the worst thing to ever happen to her.


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PostPosted: 04/23/17 12:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Seems like she just doesn't care.



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PostPosted: 04/23/17 1:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Perhaps we are jumping to a conclusion. There are other explanations, such as a trade, excused absence, illness, etc. Probably find out soon.


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I think being drafted was the beginning of the end for Shoni's basketball career. Maybe every once in a while we will see that she played in a local tournament....maybe in five or ten years there will be a documentary about the rise and fall of Shoni Schimmel....maybe she will coach, who knows BUT even if she does come to camp late for whatever reason, I think she is very close to being done with the WNBA regardless.


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Considering she's still on a rookie contract, someone would pick her up just to sell tickets (Dallas? Phoenix?)



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toad455 wrote:
Seems like she just doesn't care.


Without any genuine information, these kinds of judgments are improper and unfair.



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toad455 wrote:
Seems like she just doesn't care.


Without any genuine information, these kinds of judgments are improper and unfair.

Given that she's not shown up to preseason in shape since college, I'd say it's not too far off. Now she's not showing up to preseason, period!!


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toad455 wrote:
Seems like she just doesn't care.


Without any genuine information, these kinds of judgments are improper and unfair.


I agree ive been one of the harshest on schimmel but it also seems shes been doing some seriously good work in the NA community both in the DAPL protests and in promoting ball to at risk youth on the reservations...neither I would consider not caring.

That said if shes a noshow that tells me she's not in the team's plans and however she is dealt with I would not expect her to be in a Lib uniform this year



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PostPosted: 04/23/17 4:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Maybe we'll hear something more official tomorrow.

If she has moved on I wish her the best.


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If she has other plans to not play basketball this year, the Liberty personal & Laimbeer should be told. Very disrespectful if she simply didn't show up today without notice.



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If she has other plans to not play basketball this year, the Liberty personal & Laimbeer should be told. Very disrespectful if she simply didn't show up today without notice.


This I agree...then again sometimes teams drag feet making announcements even if they know for months (normally to work out a deal) will keep ear to ground tho...

LFO...anything?



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If she has other plans to not play basketball this year, the Liberty personal & Laimbeer should be told. Very disrespectful if she simply didn't show up today without notice.


More ugly speculation with no actual information. Do you have evidence that she didn't show up and gave no notice to the team? If so, please tell us what this evidence is and where you got it. Otherwise please stop trashing Shoni Schmmel (or anyone else) based on NO facts.



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^To be fair, I'm spotting two 'ifs' and it's phrased hypothetically.


I don't know what to think. I'm not getting my hopes up because of how the last efforts have gone, but, we'll see.




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Maybe we'll hear something more official tomorrow.

If she has moved on I wish her the best.


Agreed. I wish her well whether she is on the Liberty in 2017, is on another WNBA team, has decided not to continue playing pro basketball, whatever.



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akronborn wrote:
To be fair, I'm spotting two 'ifs' and it's phrased hypothetically.


It's an ugly implication with no facts to back up the charge. Saying "if" doesn't make it OK. You or I could post ugly "if" statements about 30 different WNBA players.



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Yeah, as Diana pointed out, You can't "if" it. Coz you know, if you if it... if grandma had... she'd be grandpa.



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PostPosted: 04/24/17 9:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Secret Agent Shoni was spotted yesterday playing in an independent tourney..so idk what that means. This only adds further to the mystery and speculation, but this is a fact in the case so..


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So I'm not too clear on how contracts work in the WNBA so if someone could fill me in...Shoni is on contract with the NY Liberty so doesn't she have a contractual obligation to at least show up to training camp even if it is to get cut? I mean I'm not sure what the WNBA could do if she didn't but still...


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Pure speculation but from the little bit of evidence and lack of any official word my guess is the main players in the drama; Schimmel and the team are aware of what is going on and on the same page. And we the general public simply haven't been told, yet.


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Pure speculation but from the little bit of evidence and lack of any official word my guess is the main players in the drama; Schimmel and the team are aware of what is going on and on the same page. And we the general public simply haven't been told, yet.


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But what if a player simply quits the WNBA? Is there a precedence? why so secret?


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So I'm not too clear on how contracts work in the WNBA so if someone could fill me in...Shoni is on contract with the NY Liberty so doesn't she have a contractual obligation to at least show up to training camp even if it is to get cut? I mean I'm not sure what the WNBA could do if she didn't but still...


Players sit out all the time -- usually to rest, recover from nagging injuries or play on their national team if they're foreign. The normal procedure is to suspend a player for the season. It doesn't cost you anything and you get to hold on to her rights. Obviously, if the team has no use for the player or they're sick of her then cutting the person loose makes sense -- assuming she doesn't have a big guaranteed contract.

Given that NY is at the 15 player limit, I'd assume they knew Shoni wasn't coming. Beyond that, I'm not going to speculate.



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So I'm not too clear on how contracts work in the WNBA so if someone could fill me in...Shoni is on contract with the NY Liberty so doesn't she have a contractual obligation to at least show up to training camp even if it is to get cut? I mean I'm not sure what the WNBA could do if she didn't but still...


Players sit out all the time -- usually to rest, recover from nagging injuries or play on their national team if they're foreign. The normal procedure is to suspend a player for the season. It doesn't cost you anything and you get to hold on to her rights. Obviously, if the team has no use for the player or they're sick of her then cutting the person loose makes sense -- assuming she doesn't have a big guaranteed contract.

Given that NY is at the 15 player limit, I'd assume they knew Shoni wasn't coming. Beyond that, I'm not going to speculate.


Thanks for the info. Yeah, I figure there are a lot of directions this can go in still. I suppose we will find out more soon enough.


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So I'm not too clear on how contracts work in the WNBA so if someone could fill me in...Shoni is on contract with the NY Liberty so doesn't she have a contractual obligation to at least show up to training camp even if it is to get cut? I mean I'm not sure what the WNBA could do if she didn't but still...


Players sit out all the time -- usually to rest, recover from nagging injuries or play on their national team if they're foreign. The normal procedure is to suspend a player for the season. It doesn't cost you anything and you get to hold on to her rights. Obviously, if the team has no use for the player or they're sick of her then cutting the person loose makes sense -- assuming she doesn't have a big guaranteed contract.

Given that NY is at the 15 player limit, I'd assume they knew Shoni wasn't coming. Beyond that, I'm not going to speculate.


I also assume both Shoni and the team knew she wasn't coming, but doesn't the way this is sorting out considering her evident availability to be in NY if both sides wanted her there suggest that she is not part of NY's plans (or they're not part of hers, or both)? I'll be surprised if I see her in a Liberty uniform this year.


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root_thing wrote:
AAOK423 wrote:
So I'm not too clear on how contracts work in the WNBA so if someone could fill me in...Shoni is on contract with the NY Liberty so doesn't she have a contractual obligation to at least show up to training camp even if it is to get cut? I mean I'm not sure what the WNBA could do if she didn't but still...


Players sit out all the time -- usually to rest, recover from nagging injuries or play on their national team if they're foreign. The normal procedure is to suspend a player for the season. It doesn't cost you anything and you get to hold on to her rights. Obviously, if the team has no use for the player or they're sick of her then cutting the person loose makes sense -- assuming she doesn't have a big guaranteed contract.

Given that NY is at the 15 player limit, I'd assume they knew Shoni wasn't coming. Beyond that, I'm not going to speculate.


I also assume both Shoni and the team knew she wasn't coming, but doesn't the way this is sorting out considering her evident availability to be in NY if both sides wanted her there suggest that she is not part of NY's plans (or they're not part of hers, or both)? I'll be surprised if I see her in a Liberty uniform this year.


Awhile ago, someone -- probably AAOK423 or SDHoops -- first brought up the fact that Schimmel had dropped out of sight both physically and on social media. There was a brief discussion about her possibly giving up basketball. Consequently, I wasn't that surprised when she didn't show up. Whatever is going on is probably very serious, whether it's a reassessment of her life, an injury, an illness, an illness to a family member, etc. Years ago, Shay Doron asked to be cut from the Liberty because she needed time to deal with a tumor in her breast. Not only did Liberty fans not know about this, but apparently the tumor was first diagnosed when Shay was at Maryland. It was benign, but there were still some concerns about it. So, you never know what's going on. Shoni has been incommunicado for five months. We have zero information so anything said would be pure speculation. But yes, if you push me into a corner and force me to guess, I would agree that we're not likely to see Shoni in a Liberty uniform this year.



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SDHoops did report Shoni was spotted playing in independent tournament a day or two ago, so apparently Shoni's health is not an issue, but many other things could be on the table. i won't speculate, but I will guess - Shoni and NY are done with each other and I suspect NY is trying to make deal to get something for her rights but there is currently not much interest.


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Hopefully we find out more soon. I'm quite curious what is transpiring. I like seeing talented players capitalize on their talent.



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root_thing wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
root_thing wrote:
AAOK423 wrote:
So I'm not too clear on how contracts work in the WNBA so if someone could fill me in...Shoni is on contract with the NY Liberty so doesn't she have a contractual obligation to at least show up to training camp even if it is to get cut? I mean I'm not sure what the WNBA could do if she didn't but still...


Players sit out all the time -- usually to rest, recover from nagging injuries or play on their national team if they're foreign. The normal procedure is to suspend a player for the season. It doesn't cost you anything and you get to hold on to her rights. Obviously, if the team has no use for the player or they're sick of her then cutting the person loose makes sense -- assuming she doesn't have a big guaranteed contract.

Given that NY is at the 15 player limit, I'd assume they knew Shoni wasn't coming. Beyond that, I'm not going to speculate.


I also assume both Shoni and the team knew she wasn't coming, but doesn't the way this is sorting out considering her evident availability to be in NY if both sides wanted her there suggest that she is not part of NY's plans (or they're not part of hers, or both)? I'll be surprised if I see her in a Liberty uniform this year.


Awhile ago, someone -- probably AAOK423 or SDHoops -- first brought up the fact that Schimmel had dropped out of sight both physically and on social media. There was a brief discussion about her possibly giving up basketball. Consequently, I wasn't that surprised when she didn't show up. Whatever is going on is probably very serious, whether it's a reassessment of her life, an injury, an illness, an illness to a family member, etc. Years ago, Shay Doron asked to be cut from the Liberty because she needed time to deal with a tumor in her breast. Not only did Liberty fans not know about this, but apparently the tumor was first diagnosed when Shay was at Maryland. It was benign, but there were still some concerns about it. So, you never know what's going on. Shoni has been incommunicado for five months. We have zero information so anything said would be pure speculation. But yes, if you push me into a corner and force me to guess, I would agree that we're not likely to see Shoni in a Liberty uniform this year.


I respect the sensitivity you have shown in this statement. This is exactly why it upset me to see ugly, irresponsible inferences about Shoni Schimmel with no evidence. We don't know what's happening and why. And beyond a certain point we have no right to know. I assume that in the near future we will learn either that Shoni Schimmel will rejoin the Liberty or, more likely (I"m guessing), that she won't.



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Let's remember Anucha Browne, who was sexually harassed by Isiah Thomas. She is currently a vice president of the NCAA and focuses on women's basketball.
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