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cthskzfn
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Posted: 04/12/17 7:14 pm ::: Re: President Trump reversals |
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You hate him more as president.
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Posted: 04/12/17 8:48 pm ::: |
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The hiring freeze isn't a "campaign reversal" since he implemented it post inauguration.
But as you suggest, both the DNC and RNC should be happy - he is bowing to the status quo and conventional wisdom with these reversals.
But at this point I think his "campaign follow through" is still at least average, and probably higher than average (to the dismay of Global Warming people, among others) Let's see if he decides a wall and job reversal is not needed.
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Posted: 04/12/17 9:16 pm ::: |
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tfan wrote: |
The hiring freeze isn't a "campaign reversal" since he implemented it post inauguration |
Obviously he couldn't implement it until he was in office.
He did promise the freeze:
https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/CONTRACT_FOR_THE_VOTER.pdf
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a hiring freeze on all federal employees to reduce federal workforce
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Apparently 90 days of not hiring provided enough attrition to reduce the federal workforce to acceptable levels.
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cthskzfn
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Posted: 04/13/17 8:32 am ::: |
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pathological lying narcissistic dunce.
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Posted: 04/13/17 5:46 pm ::: |
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*Most likely, Donald will exit stage left via the invocation of the 25th amendment, e.g., mental incompetency. |
This sounds too much like Trump Derangement Syndrome and lowers the credibility of the other two when they are all bundled together. |
Actually, it MAY seem the most far-fetched to some, but....if you're a student of human nature, you could have seen this train wreck comin' 4 states away! His mental state has been camouflaged/supported by his extreme wealth. |
How would you characterize his mental state that will get him removed from office? |
I'd think the 'experts' might have a smorgasbord to choose from:
Sociopath, paranoid, delusional, etc. However, it's not likely to be a simple diagnostic label, as if to commit him to a mental facility. It'll more likely be a scenario where one failed clusterfuck too many suddenly endangers the welfare of our country, and his resistance to respected advisors makes HIM the Clear and Present Danger.
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Posted: 04/13/17 10:07 pm ::: |
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Maybe it's syphilis...
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Howee
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Posted: 04/14/17 6:27 pm ::: |
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The Democratic pundits and politicians were universally against Trump's every move, until he launched cruise missiles (a reversal of not so much his campaign rhetoric, but his pre-candidate rhetoric). Then, the pundits at least, praised him for launching the missiles. He even wins over the neo-cons and chicken hawks in his own party with that move. Therefore, I predict more cruise missiles will be launched by Trump, and more "mother" bombs and every other kind of bomb the military is itching to use.
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Howee
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Posted: 04/22/17 9:48 am ::: |
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cthskzfn wrote: |
pathological lying narcissistic dunce. |
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"Worse than just being a liar or a narcissist, in addition, he is paranoid, delusional and grandiose thinking and he proved that to the country the first day he was President. If Donald Trump really believes he had the largest crowd size in history, that's delusional," said Dr. Gartner, who is also a founder of Duty to Warn, an organization of mental health professionals who feel Trump is unfit to be president.
During the conference, Psychiatrist and New York University professor James Gilligan said based on his experience working with "murderers and rapists" he can "recognize dangerousness from a mile away." |
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Posted: 04/22/17 11:24 am ::: |
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Howee wrote: |
cthskzfn wrote: |
pathological lying narcissistic dunce. |
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"Worse than just being a liar or a narcissist, in addition, he is paranoid, delusional and grandiose thinking and he proved that to the country the first day he was President. If Donald Trump really believes he had the largest crowd size in history, that's delusional," said Dr. Gartner, who is also a founder of Duty to Warn, an organization of mental health professionals who feel Trump is unfit to be president.
During the conference, Psychiatrist and New York University professor James Gilligan said based on his experience working with "murderers and rapists" he can "recognize dangerousness from a mile away." |
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It is explicitly against the AMA code of ethics of psychiatrists to speak to the mental state of public figures they have not examined. I hope all of them are censured.
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justintyme
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Posted: 04/22/17 12:41 pm ::: |
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PUmatty wrote: |
Howee wrote: |
cthskzfn wrote: |
pathological lying narcissistic dunce. |
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"Worse than just being a liar or a narcissist, in addition, he is paranoid, delusional and grandiose thinking and he proved that to the country the first day he was President. If Donald Trump really believes he had the largest crowd size in history, that's delusional," said Dr. Gartner, who is also a founder of Duty to Warn, an organization of mental health professionals who feel Trump is unfit to be president.
During the conference, Psychiatrist and New York University professor James Gilligan said based on his experience working with "murderers and rapists" he can "recognize dangerousness from a mile away." |
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It is explicitly against the AMA code of ethics of psychiatrists to speak to the mental state of public figures they have not examined. I hope all of them are censured. |
I agree. As much as I hate Trump, this sort of behavior undermines the entire field. It is irresponsible for a doctor to suggest that these things can be diagnosed from a distance. It is just as bad as the "experts" who were accusing Clinton of having Parkinson's baeed upon videos of her.
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Howee
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Posted: 04/22/17 3:08 pm ::: |
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justintyme wrote: |
PUmatty wrote: |
Howee wrote: |
cthskzfn wrote: |
pathological lying narcissistic dunce. |
Even more grave:
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"Worse than just being a liar or a narcissist, in addition, he is paranoid, delusional and grandiose thinking and he proved that to the country the first day he was President. If Donald Trump really believes he had the largest crowd size in history, that's delusional," said Dr. Gartner, who is also a founder of Duty to Warn, an organization of mental health professionals who feel Trump is unfit to be president.
During the conference, Psychiatrist and New York University professor James Gilligan said based on his experience working with "murderers and rapists" he can "recognize dangerousness from a mile away." |
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It is explicitly against the AMA code of ethics of psychiatrists to speak to the mental state of public figures they have not examined. I hope all of them are censured. |
I agree. As much as I hate Trump, this sort of behavior undermines the entire field. It is irresponsible for a doctor to suggest that these things can be diagnosed from a distance. It is just as bad as the "experts" who were accusing Clinton of having Parkinson's baeed upon videos of her. |
Get a grip, guys. They're not glibly opining on something like cancer (deadly) or HIV (infectious); despite their working knowledge of the "Goldwater rule", they can identify some very obvious pathology at work here AND FELT COMPELLED TO SPEAK OUT. Given their credentials, they're obviously feeling it's important enough to flout conventional ethics.
Who ELSE would be so qualified to say something? We all know the stories of the "crazy" people who end up murdering others, then what?....wring our hands and proclaim with others, "Why was there no mental health intervention?" And the things they claim to observe (paranoia, delusion) are not things one needs complete blood panels, neurological tests or X-Rays to diagnose. [unlike Clinton's alleged "Parkinsons"] These are BEHAVIORAL disorders, manifested in very public patterns.
Not routinely ethical, perhaps, but these are not "routine" times, either: Trump's position as POTUS + Mental Instability= Potentially Lethal Decisions.
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Posted: 04/22/17 3:13 pm ::: |
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justintyme wrote: |
PUmatty wrote: |
Howee wrote: |
cthskzfn wrote: |
pathological lying narcissistic dunce. |
Even more grave:
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"Worse than just being a liar or a narcissist, in addition, he is paranoid, delusional and grandiose thinking and he proved that to the country the first day he was President. If Donald Trump really believes he had the largest crowd size in history, that's delusional," said Dr. Gartner, who is also a founder of Duty to Warn, an organization of mental health professionals who feel Trump is unfit to be president.
During the conference, Psychiatrist and New York University professor James Gilligan said based on his experience working with "murderers and rapists" he can "recognize dangerousness from a mile away." |
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It is explicitly against the AMA code of ethics of psychiatrists to speak to the mental state of public figures they have not examined. I hope all of them are censured. |
I agree. As much as I hate Trump, this sort of behavior undermines the entire field. It is irresponsible for a doctor to suggest that these things can be diagnosed from a distance. It is just as bad as the "experts" who were accusing Clinton of having Parkinson's baeed upon videos of her. |
Not just from a distance, but based on edited video.
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Posted: 04/22/17 5:45 pm ::: |
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Howee wrote: |
Who ELSE would be so qualified to say something? |
Someone who is actually working with the patient in a diagnostic setting. If a doctor notices something which could be a sign of such a pathology, their duty is to let the patient know and have them be offically diagnosed. It is ethically reprehensible for them to discuss this sort of issue with the public as a whole.
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Howee
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Posted: 04/22/17 6:17 pm ::: |
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justintyme wrote: |
Howee wrote: |
Who ELSE would be so qualified to say something? |
Someone who is actually working with the patient in a diagnostic setting. If a doctor notices something which could be a sign of such a pathology, their duty is to let the patient know and have them be offically diagnosed. It is ethically reprehensible for them to discuss this sort of issue with the public as a whole. |
And such a doctor as THAT is bound by patient confidentiality.
Why is it okay/ethical for any of us to decide the obvious, that the Aurora bomber, Sandy Hook shooter, et. al., are mentally deranged even before an 'official' diagnosis is rendered, but NOT the POTUS. While there's a fine edge to navigate, we can't decry lack of attention to mental disorder only AFTER terrible deeds are done. Preventative measures from obvious clues are the sane option, imo.
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justintyme
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Posted: 04/22/17 6:35 pm ::: |
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Howee wrote: |
Why is it okay/ethical for any of us to decide the obvious, that the Aurora bomber, Sandy Hook shooter, et. al., are mentally deranged even before an 'official' diagnosis is rendered, but NOT the POTUS. |
Because we are not doctors/psychologists. Our opinions do not have the weight of authority.
When a doctor weighs in, they have additional ethical responsibilities. It is not their responsibility to "protect" society from people with mental disorders, especially with the base, surface-level conjecture that is available outside of a diagnostic setting.
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Howee
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Posted: 04/22/17 7:13 pm ::: |
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justintyme wrote: |
Because we are not doctors/psychologists. Our opinions do not have the weight of authority. |
Precisely. So it IS up to "doctors/psychologists" to speak out IF WHAT THEY OBSERVE IS OF A DANGEROUS POTENTIAL TO SOCIETY AT LARGE.
Again, these guys aren't novice interns playing a parlor game: I have no doubt they've considered all the risks from every angle. And--have still spoken out.
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