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PostPosted: 03/25/17 7:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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cthskzfn wrote:
patsweetpat wrote:
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This is just a reminder that Oregon finished 6th, out of 12, in the Pac-12.

Oregon lost to Washington, Washington State, Colorado, Cal, UCLA, Oregon State (twice), and Stanford (three times). That's 7 Pac-12 teams (out of a possible 11) that the Ducks lost to this season.

And they just now beat the 3-seed by 14 points.

The Pac-12, guys, is a very, very strong conference.

Congrats to the Ducks.


yeah, that's why the pac12t winner lost to FSU


The Pac-12 comprised 31% of the Sweet Sixteen and comprises 25% of the Elite Eight. I think the conference has acquitted itself just fine.


if they get no teams in the FF, then no.


Okay, if you say so.


LOL. if the "best" conf gets no team in the FF, how good is it?



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PostPosted: 03/25/17 7:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

cthskzfn wrote:
patsweetpat wrote:
cthskzfn wrote:
patsweetpat wrote:
cthskzfn wrote:
patsweetpat wrote:
This is just a reminder that Oregon finished 6th, out of 12, in the Pac-12.

Oregon lost to Washington, Washington State, Colorado, Cal, UCLA, Oregon State (twice), and Stanford (three times). That's 7 Pac-12 teams (out of a possible 11) that the Ducks lost to this season.

And they just now beat the 3-seed by 14 points.

The Pac-12, guys, is a very, very strong conference.

Congrats to the Ducks.


yeah, that's why the pac12t winner lost to FSU


The Pac-12 comprised 31% of the Sweet Sixteen and comprises 25% of the Elite Eight. I think the conference has acquitted itself just fine.


if they get no teams in the FF, then no.


Okay, if you say so.


LOL. if the "best" conf gets no team in the FF, how good is it?


I personally think that a conference can be the deepest and the strongest-- perhaps even the best-- without happening to land a team in the Final Four. You may disagree. And that's okay. We can disagree and still be friends.


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PostPosted: 03/25/17 9:08 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I agree with pat. The FF isn't everything. I think the E8 is a little better measure.



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PostPosted: 03/25/17 9:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Was so impressed with the Ducks patience on offense in person


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PostPosted: 03/25/17 9:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

mikeyc22 wrote:
Was so impressed with the Ducks patience on offense in person

Quite a contrast to the Westhead years.


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PostPosted: 03/25/17 10:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Hopefully this will end any talk about Maryland being top 3 in the country.


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PostPosted: 03/25/17 10:46 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Hopefully this will end any talk about Maryland being top 3 in the country.

....and who was saying that?? Shocked I'd still say MD definitely deserved a 3 seed (which is NOT 'top 3 in the country')

Maryland got beat fair and square by a talented, well-coached team in OR. That doesn't diminish that they had a strong season. I still recall that, up to this point, they gave UConn its closest game, if we don't count that first-of-the-season at FL-State. MD CAN PLAY.

Today? OR played better.



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PostPosted: 03/25/17 11:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Howee wrote:
zvyn3 wrote:
Hopefully this will end any talk about Maryland being top 3 in the country.

....and who was saying that?? Shocked


Pollsters. At one point they had them at 2.

They were absurdly overrated based on how little they had actually accomplished.


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PostPosted: 03/25/17 11:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I still recall that, up to this point, (Maryland) gave UConn its closest game, if we don't count that first-of-the-season at FL-State.


What about UConn's game at Tulane? Was that not closer than the MD/UConn contest?


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PostPosted: 03/25/17 11:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

summertime blues wrote:
I agree with pat. The FF isn't everything. I think the E8 is a little better measure.


Don't suppose that could have anything to do with Warlick making some Elite Eights but never sniffing a Final Four? Naaaaaah, that couldn't be it. Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: 03/25/17 11:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Howee wrote:
I still recall that, up to this point, (Maryland) gave UConn its closest game, if we don't count that first-of-the-season at FL-State.


What about UConn's game at Tulane? Was that not closer than the MD/UConn contest?


That's like FSU. If it doesn't support the point it doesn't count.


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PostPosted: 03/26/17 5:29 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Howee wrote:
zvyn3 wrote:
Hopefully this will end any talk about Maryland being top 3 in the country.

....and who was saying that?? Shocked I'd still say MD definitely deserved a 3 seed (which is NOT 'top 3 in the country')

Maryland got beat fair and square by a talented, well-coached team in OR. That doesn't diminish that they had a strong season. I still recall that, up to this point, they gave UConn its closest game, if we don't count that first-of-the-season at FL-State. MD CAN PLAY.

Today? OR played better.


http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?t=91394


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PostPosted: 03/26/17 7:52 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

joetro wrote:
2017: Lost in Sweet 16 as a 3 seed to 10 seed.
2016: Lost in Round of 32 as 2 seed.
2014: Made Final Four as a 4 seed, but got killed by ND after having lost its best post player.
2013: Killed by over 30 points to ND.
Several other years held to seed.

I think Brenda is a good recruiter but poor coach. Same with Walz.


She is a good recruiter and I think develops players well. Look at Jones and Kimbrough for example. I'm not sure she is a good X's and O's coach. I just don't understand why she doesn't schedule more tough non conference games. I can only conclude that she feels like she will lose and therefore risk her overrating and high seed in the tournament. It's not a good look and I'm a big MD fan.


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PostPosted: 03/26/17 8:35 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

zvyn3 wrote:
Howee wrote:
zvyn3 wrote:
Hopefully this will end any talk about Maryland being top 3 in the country.

....and who was saying that?? Shocked I'd still say MD definitely deserved a 3 seed (which is NOT 'top 3 in the country')

Maryland got beat fair and square by a talented, well-coached team in OR. That doesn't diminish that they had a strong season. I still recall that, up to this point, they gave UConn its closest game, if we don't count that first-of-the-season at FL-State. MD CAN PLAY.

Today? OR played better.


http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?t=91394


Thanks for the memory. The Committee's mistakes aren't the only thing exposed in that thread. Also dashed is one poster's crusade about how Maryland should have been a 1 or 2 seed because Massey and Sagarin said so, and we all know how much more accurate Massey is. Laughing Laughing Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: 03/26/17 8:45 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Oregon is better than their record because they start 3 freshman.


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PostPosted: 03/26/17 9:02 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

patsweetpat wrote:
Howee wrote:
I still recall that, up to this point, (Maryland) gave UConn its closest game, if we don't count that first-of-the-season at FL-State.


What about UConn's game at Tulane? Was that not closer than the MD/UConn contest?


Yep, that was a 3 pt loss for Tulane, but.....both Tulane and Florida were road games for CT, sooo....we could say MD gave 'em their toughest HOME game this season. Laughing

The point is simple: Haters gonna hate, but objectivity demands that MD (which is not *my* team by any stretch) played a respectable season. Anyone who would NOT consider the OR win an upset is a smidge delusional.



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PostPosted: 03/26/17 9:53 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Yep, that was a 3 pt loss for Tulane, but.....both Tulane and Florida were road games for CT, sooo....we could say MD gave 'em their toughest HOME game this season. Laughing

The point is simple: Haters gonna hate, but objectivity demands that MD (which is not *my* team by any stretch) played a respectable season. Anyone who would NOT consider the OR win an upset is a smidge delusional.


Maryland was a road game too.


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PostPosted: 03/26/17 10:27 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

What it come down to is this: It's hard to prepare your team for the intensity of the NCAAs when the next best team in your conference is a 5 seed and everyone else is garbage. Maryland's schedule was garbage, in general. Oregon, on the other hand got beat up by en entire conference of good-to-decent teams all season, and obviously they learned a lot from it.


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PostPosted: 03/26/17 10:59 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
summertime blues wrote:
I agree with pat. The FF isn't everything. I think the E8 is a little better measure.


Don't suppose that could have anything to do with Warlick making some Elite Eights but never sniffing a Final Four? Naaaaaah, that couldn't be it. Rolling Eyes


Actually not, Mr. Smartass. I'm looking at the whole tournament over myriad years, including this one, where Tennessee is nowhere to be seen. But you would never believe that because it doesn't fit your narrative.

Oregon was WAY underseeded this year, and Maryland was way OVERseeded. As long as Brenda continues to have an OOC schedule that looks like a pastry shop, it won't matter how much she wins by or how many games she wins, they're still wins over East Jesus Tech. When she schedules a decent lineup of OOC teams and wins those games, then I'll believe she's got a team worth something. The B1G is good, but it's not all that. Look at where they are now. All gone, and the other ones are in the WNIT doing pretty respectably with the "best of the rest" and probably will win it.



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PostPosted: 03/26/17 10:59 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

cthskzfn wrote:
patsweetpat wrote:
cthskzfn wrote:
patsweetpat wrote:
This is just a reminder that Oregon finished 6th, out of 12, in the Pac-12.

Oregon lost to Washington, Washington State, Colorado, Cal, UCLA, Oregon State (twice), and Stanford (three times). That's 7 Pac-12 teams (out of a possible 11) that the Ducks lost to this season.

And they just now beat the 3-seed by 14 points.

The Pac-12, guys, is a very, very strong conference.

Congrats to the Ducks.


yeah, that's why the pac12t winner lost to FSU


The Pac-12 comprised 31% of the Sweet Sixteen and comprises 25% of the Elite Eight. I think the conference has acquitted itself just fine.


if they get no teams in the FF, then no.


Nobody all season predicted the PAC would have a team in the FF. In fact many were claiming we wouldn't have any in the E8. We have performed pretty much just as rated, maybe slightly better. Other conferences may well have the best top one or two teams. But if that is how you rate it, then the AAC is clearly the best conference. Top to bottom (or at least middle), we've been better than any other conference. We just don't have the superstar team any more...though Oregon may change that in the near future. What other conference's 6th best team is in the elite 8? Or has been in the elite 8?



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PostPosted: 03/26/17 1:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

SpaceJunkie wrote:
Howee wrote:
Yep, that was a 3 pt loss for Tulane, but.....both Tulane and Florida were road games for CT, sooo....we could say MD gave 'em their toughest HOME game this season. Laughing

The point is simple: Haters gonna hate, but objectivity demands that MD (which is not *my* team by any stretch) played a respectable season. Anyone who would NOT consider the OR win an upset is a smidge delusional.


Maryland was a road game too.


Forget it; he's rolling.


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Well now we don't have to discuss that anyway since we got one into the FF anyway.



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Oregon was WAY underseeded this year, .


They had THIRTEEN losses. Where did you want them to be seeded? One? Rolling Eyes


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ArtBest23 wrote:
summertime blues wrote:


Oregon was WAY underseeded this year, .


They had THIRTEEN losses. Where did you want them to be seeded? One? Rolling Eyes


Yeah they definitely weren't way underseeded, but I do think they should have been seeded above Cal.


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mikeyc22 wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
summertime blues wrote:


Oregon was WAY underseeded this year, .


They had THIRTEEN losses. Where did you want them to be seeded? One? Rolling Eyes


Yeah they definitely weren't way underseeded, but I do think they should have been seeded above Cal.


Prediction: next year they will be seeded higher...and I think most of us would agree Cal didn't even deserve to be in this year.



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