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Shades
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Posted: 03/25/17 12:40 pm ::: |
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So how often has Brenda underachieved in the Tourney? Add this as another prime example. |
Well she won the whole thing in 2006..... with a bunch of freshmen
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Durantula
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Posted: 03/25/17 12:42 pm ::: |
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joetro wrote: |
So how often has Brenda underachieved in the Tourney? Add this as another prime example. |
Didn't they make the Final 4 a couple years ago as a 4 seed? Games like this are good, we need more parity in the game but every time a big name team loses its not like they are all of a sudden underachievers. Give credit to Oregon and hopefully we see more underdogs make far runs. This two year run they have been upset in the tournament but big picture I think they are still one of the better programs in the nation, and their track record is quite impressive.
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zvyn3
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Posted: 03/25/17 12:49 pm ::: |
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Hopefully this will end any talk about Maryland being top 3 in the country.
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Shades
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linkster
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Posted: 03/25/17 1:18 pm ::: |
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If only Maryland had more fans.... |
I think that is an issue regardless of win or loss, that is something that should be looked at. It only doesn't look worse because 2 west coast teams are in Bridgeport and there is low demand for tickets. If you had a regional of something like UConn, Duke, Maryland, and Quinnipiac it would truly be sad if all the fans except UConn were basically shutout. |
A much bigger problem IMO is that there were 3,600 at the Lexington region. Rupp holds 24,000. And the same number at the ACC tournament final. Those who want all the regionals far from any of the teams involved need to ask what arena wants to bid for a weekend event that doesn't even fill half the seats, and where beer isn't allowed to be sold, further reducing any hope of a profit.
Maybe they should put the regionals in 800 seat gyms and give each school 200 tickts?
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Durantula
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Posted: 03/25/17 1:24 pm ::: |
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linkster wrote: |
Durantula wrote: |
cthskzfn wrote: |
If only Maryland had more fans.... |
I think that is an issue regardless of win or loss, that is something that should be looked at. It only doesn't look worse because 2 west coast teams are in Bridgeport and there is low demand for tickets. If you had a regional of something like UConn, Duke, Maryland, and Quinnipiac it would truly be sad if all the fans except UConn were basically shutout. |
A much bigger problem IMO is that there were 3,600 at the Lexington region. Rupp holds 24,000. And the same number at the ACC tournament final. Those who want all the regionals far from any of the teams involved need to ask what arena wants to bid for a weekend event that doesn't even fill half the seats, and where beer isn't allowed to be sold, further reducing any hope of a profit.
Maybe they should put the regionals in 800 seat gyms and give each school 200 tickts? |
I don't think its a problem for those other places. Kentucky lost, if they had won the fans would be there, plus they played the same night the Kentucky men played so it was just bad scheduling. The ACC Tournament used to get good crowds but just had to move their tournament to SC for the past year or two because of HB-2. WBB conference tournaments typically don't draw well and I don't blame fans for not going if they would rather save money for the NCAA tournament.
The NCAA could have easily reserved more seats for the opposing teams and THEN released them to the general public if they went unsold. The crowd in Bridgeport would still be great. All that is wrong is how quickly they sold the tickets to the general public. Local fans can buy tickets a few days ahead of time and be alright. I am not advocating for them to move the tournament far away.
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 03/25/17 2:13 pm ::: |
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zvyn3 wrote: |
Hopefully this will end any talk about Maryland being top 3 in the country. |
Too many pollsters and ESPN talking heads bought into the hype.
Typical that Brenda did nothing but whine about their seed when even the 3 was unearned.
They were way overrated all year based on nothing but hype.
Bye bye Big Ten.
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Shades
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linkster
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Posted: 03/25/17 2:53 pm ::: |
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Durantula wrote: |
linkster wrote: |
Durantula wrote: |
cthskzfn wrote: |
If only Maryland had more fans.... |
I think that is an issue regardless of win or loss, that is something that should be looked at. It only doesn't look worse because 2 west coast teams are in Bridgeport and there is low demand for tickets. If you had a regional of something like UConn, Duke, Maryland, and Quinnipiac it would truly be sad if all the fans except UConn were basically shutout. |
A much bigger problem IMO is that there were 3,600 at the Lexington region. Rupp holds 24,000. And the same number at the ACC tournament final. Those who want all the regionals far from any of the teams involved need to ask what arena wants to bid for a weekend event that doesn't even fill half the seats, and where beer isn't allowed to be sold, further reducing any hope of a profit.
Maybe they should put the regionals in 800 seat gyms and give each school 200 tickts? |
I don't think its a problem for those other places. Kentucky lost, if they had won the fans would be there, plus they played the same night the Kentucky men played so it was just bad scheduling. The ACC Tournament used to get good crowds but just had to move their tournament to SC for the past year or two because of HB-2. WBB conference tournaments typically don't draw well and I don't blame fans for not going if they would rather save money for the NCAA tournament.
The NCAA could have easily reserved more seats for the opposing teams and THEN released them to the general public if they went unsold. The crowd in Bridgeport would still be great. All that is wrong is how quickly they sold the tickets to the general public. Local fans can buy tickets a few days ahead of time and be alright. I am not advocating for them to move the tournament far away. |
The NCAA could have easily reserved more seats for the opposing teams and THEN released them to the general public if they went unsold.
That sounds easy but explain exactly, including the time factors. Do they reserve X no of tickets for each of the 16 teams in the region? Or do they wait till it's down to 4 teams? If so, the teams aren't known till Monday. If the tickets go on sale Tuesday morning how long do they wait before making them available to the general public? Let's say the unsold tickets go on sale Thursday. That's barely enough time for fans driving to buy. And then if they are staying overnight they need to find hotel rooms on 48 hour notice. Or book last minute plane flights. All that would happen would be a lot of empty unsold seats. All this just to keep UConn fans from buying up all the seats and to make sure that a handful of VIP fans who don't care about cost get prime seating behind their team's bench, because remember, seats at Bridgeport were for sale on stub Hub, just not prime seats.
No one seems to have a problem with the higher seed playing their first 2 games at home in front of their home fans. The NCAA said it was done to encourage attendance and now they are supposed to discourage attendance at the regional level? And remember, this would be done at all 4 regionals.
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 03/25/17 3:03 pm ::: |
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That's nonsense.
Big schools do this for football games every single week. They give the opposing team 2000 seats, and when they frequently aren't sold they release them for general sale, usually the Monday before the game.
No big deal at all.
And hotel rooms are a much bigger problem for a 100,000 spectator football game than for any basketball game, which are frequently played in big cities with lots of hotels.
Maybe if Bridgeport doesn't have enough hotel rooms it shouldn't be hosting regionals. Put them in Boston or Brooklyn or Philadelphia where there's adequate infrastructure.
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terpsforever
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Posted: 03/25/17 3:09 pm ::: |
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I sure hope at some point Brenda starts playing a real schedule. Her non conference schedule is pathetic every year. They are my favorite team but she continues to have her teams unprepared. Play a tougher schedule instead of these cupcake teams every year in the non conference. Stop being scared.
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Posted: 03/25/17 4:15 pm ::: |
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terpsforever wrote: |
I sure hope at some point Brenda starts playing a real schedule. Her non conference schedule is pathetic every year. They are my favorite team but she continues to have her teams unprepared. Play a tougher schedule instead of these cupcake teams every year in the non conference. Stop being scared. |
I would think the committee is going to feel vindicated. Or they should. If Brenda plays the same schedule with the same results next year, they may end up a 5 seed.
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CompSci87
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Posted: 03/25/17 4:18 pm ::: |
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BAHAHAHAHAHAHA PACpower
No way Maryland scouted Oregon and thats all I have to say about that. |
I usually only see the other Pac-12 teams when they play Stanford. It's remarkable to me to watch a Pac-12 team play someone else who doesn't play scouting report defense like Stanford does. I'm constantly saying, wow, she can do that? Like Cazorla going to the basket today; we didn't see Stanford giving her much chance to do that. As another case, I was puzzled what the hype was about Hebard until I saw Oregon against other teams in the Pac-12 tournament.
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Howee
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joetro
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Posted: 03/25/17 5:46 pm ::: |
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2017: Lost in Sweet 16 as a 3 seed to 10 seed.
2016: Lost in Round of 32 as 2 seed.
2014: Made Final Four as a 4 seed, but got killed by ND after having lost its best post player.
2013: Killed by over 30 points to ND.
Several other years held to seed.
I think Brenda is a good recruiter but poor coach. Same with Walz.
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Posted: 03/25/17 5:55 pm ::: |
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Posted: 03/25/17 6:06 pm ::: |
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This is just a reminder that Oregon finished 6th, out of 12, in the Pac-12.
Oregon lost to Washington, Washington State, Colorado, Cal, UCLA, Oregon State (twice), and Stanford (three times). That's 7 Pac-12 teams (out of a possible 11) that the Ducks lost to this season.
And they just now beat the 3-seed by 14 points.
The Pac-12, guys, is a very, very strong conference.
Congrats to the Ducks.
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bcdawg04
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Posted: 03/25/17 6:26 pm ::: |
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patsweetpat wrote: |
This is just a reminder that Oregon finished 6th, out of 12, in the Pac-12.
Oregon lost to Washington, Washington State, Colorado, Cal, UCLA, Oregon State (twice), and Stanford (three times). That's 7 Pac-12 teams (out of a possible 11) that the Ducks lost to this season.
And they just now beat the 3-seed by 14 points.
The Pac-12, guys, is a very, very strong conference.
Congrats to the Ducks. |
ASU as well.
This is surviving the Pac-12 and knowing that once you do, you have no reason to be intimidated by teams like Maryland.
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cthskzfn
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Posted: 03/25/17 7:10 pm ::: |
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patsweetpat wrote: |
This is just a reminder that Oregon finished 6th, out of 12, in the Pac-12.
Oregon lost to Washington, Washington State, Colorado, Cal, UCLA, Oregon State (twice), and Stanford (three times). That's 7 Pac-12 teams (out of a possible 11) that the Ducks lost to this season.
And they just now beat the 3-seed by 14 points.
The Pac-12, guys, is a very, very strong conference.
Congrats to the Ducks. |
yeah, that's why the pac12t winner lost to FSU
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patsweetpat
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Posted: 03/25/17 7:15 pm ::: |
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cthskzfn wrote: |
patsweetpat wrote: |
This is just a reminder that Oregon finished 6th, out of 12, in the Pac-12.
Oregon lost to Washington, Washington State, Colorado, Cal, UCLA, Oregon State (twice), and Stanford (three times). That's 7 Pac-12 teams (out of a possible 11) that the Ducks lost to this season.
And they just now beat the 3-seed by 14 points.
The Pac-12, guys, is a very, very strong conference.
Congrats to the Ducks. |
yeah, that's why the pac12t winner lost to FSU |
The Pac-12 comprised 31% of the Sweet Sixteen and comprises 25% of the Elite Eight. I think the conference has acquitted itself just fine.
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cthskzfn
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Posted: 03/25/17 7:19 pm ::: |
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patsweetpat wrote: |
This is just a reminder that Oregon finished 6th, out of 12, in the Pac-12.
Oregon lost to Washington, Washington State, Colorado, Cal, UCLA, Oregon State (twice), and Stanford (three times). That's 7 Pac-12 teams (out of a possible 11) that the Ducks lost to this season.
And they just now beat the 3-seed by 14 points.
The Pac-12, guys, is a very, very strong conference.
Congrats to the Ducks. |
yeah, that's why the pac12t winner lost to FSU |
The Pac-12 comprised 31% of the Sweet Sixteen and comprises 25% of the Elite Eight. I think the conference has acquitted itself just fine. |
if they get no teams in the FF, then no.
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Posted: 03/25/17 7:20 pm ::: |
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cthskzfn wrote: |
patsweetpat wrote: |
cthskzfn wrote: |
patsweetpat wrote: |
This is just a reminder that Oregon finished 6th, out of 12, in the Pac-12.
Oregon lost to Washington, Washington State, Colorado, Cal, UCLA, Oregon State (twice), and Stanford (three times). That's 7 Pac-12 teams (out of a possible 11) that the Ducks lost to this season.
And they just now beat the 3-seed by 14 points.
The Pac-12, guys, is a very, very strong conference.
Congrats to the Ducks. |
yeah, that's why the pac12t winner lost to FSU |
The Pac-12 comprised 31% of the Sweet Sixteen and comprises 25% of the Elite Eight. I think the conference has acquitted itself just fine. |
if they get no teams in the FF, then no. |
Okay, if you say so.
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