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justintyme
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 Posted: 03/17/17 10:48 am ::: |
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| He's rallying in favor of the GOP health plan, which is a long way from the policy he espoused in the campaign. |
Which gets to the heart of the matter. He never really had any well defined positions. He had some nebulous ideas of something "terrific" but no idea on how to get there. The only way to achieve the things that he campaigned on, are to double down on the parts of Obamacare that the GOP base can't stand. So he abandons those principles and tries to sell a bill of rotten goods to his supporters hoping that their attachment to him is greater than their health care commands. |
Health care was one of his best defined positions. He campaigned in favor of universal coverage all through the campaign. |
I never heard him say anything about "universal coverage" or anything equivalent to that in his speeches. It was "repeal and replace", but the replace wasn't spelled out, other than that it would be better and I think he also said "you can choose/keep your own doctor" which is one thing the Republicans always criticized Obama for promising but not delivering. |
As pilight noted he did use the term "universal coverage" in his campaign book. But more than that he also campaign on having a plan that would be "terrific" that we would all "love" that would be so much better than the "disaster" Obamacare. He said that his plan would insure more people at lower costs and offer more choices. He just never explained how he was going to hit all those benchmarks.
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tfan
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| Posted: 03/17/17 3:44 pm ::: |
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As pilight noted he did use the term "universal coverage" in his campaign book. But more than that he also campaign on having a plan that would be "terrific" that we would all "love" that would be so much better than the "disaster" Obamacare. He said that his plan would insure more people at lower costs and offer more choices. He just never explained how he was going to hit all those benchmarks. |
The "campaign book" that pilight cited to me was from 2000, so the campaign would have been for the nomination of the Reform Party that year. But this article from last year cites a September 2015 60 Minutes interview:
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TRUMP: “Everybody's got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, 'No, no, the lower 25 percent that can't afford private. But—'”
PELLEY: “Universal health care.”
TRUMP: “I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now.”
PELLEY: “The uninsured person is going to be taken care of. How? How?”
TRUMP: “They're going to be taken care of. I would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people. And, you know what, if this is probably—”
PELLEY: “Make a deal? Who pays for it?”
TRUMP: —the government's gonna pay for it. But we're going to save so much money on the other side. But for the most it's going to be a private plan and people are going to be able to go out and negotiate great plans with lots of different competition with lots of competitors with great companies and they can have their doctors, they can have plans, they can have everything." |
And in a debate he said:
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| And then we have to take care of the people that can’t take care of themselves. And I will do that through a different system.” |
So he did make statements about covering everybody this campaign cycle, but I wouldn't say he "campaigned on it". I would say it was open to interpretation as to whether he talked about "covering everybody" a few times in order to get votes from some people, or if he didn't talk about "covering everybody" the rest of the time in order to not lose votes from some people. Except that, on January 15th of this year he again talked about "covering everybody".
It is hard to see how he could implement coverage for more people than the ACA, let alone everybody, after one of his main criticisms of it was always that the premiums had jumped up too high. He could go and ask Europe how they do it, or talk to Bernie Sanders about his plan, but a lot of Republicans would have a fit about either. So they would be non-starters unless a lot those rust belt and southern Republicans let their representatives know that's what they want. And even then, at this point I don't know if many Democrats would vote for something Trump puts out, even if it covered everybody. Besides it coming from Trump, they weren't calling for Clinton to advocate a plan that covered everybody.
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