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[Durantula]

Allisha Gray, a junior guard for the Gamecocks, figures Staley’s new job will be a boon on the recruiting trail.

“It’s awesome,” Gray said. “It’s like, ‘Wow, you’re playing for the coach who is going to coach in the Olympics.’ ”

Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/sports/college/university-of-south-carolina/usc-womens-basketball/article137886318.html#storylink=cpy

About Tara, Stanford's recruiting pool is so small due to admissions that it may be a unique situation where she may not be equipped to take full advantage of that situation.

[RavenDog]

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[ClayK]

I agree it looks great on the resume, and it can impress a potential recruit in the same way winning national titles and conference champions can.

But let's say a player is aware of the Olympic coach and has Olympic dreams -- that means she also knows, at age 17, that when she's ready to try out for the Olympic team there will be a different person in charge.

My feeling is that this is just yet another anti-Geno straw man, which does get annoying after a while. I'm in California and my only interactions with Geno have been extremely brief, so I have trouble relating to the well of vitriol the haters can draw on so consistently.

Hey, he's arrogant but he's a great coach, one of the best ever, and if he had never been Olympic coach, his teams would still be really, really good.

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[summertime blues]

I don't think Geno is arrogant. I think he's a little brash, but not necessarily arrogant. Those are two different things. I think he is an amazing coach. i don't know how I'd feel about having a daughter play for him; it would depend on her personality, I think. Some kids can take the kind of relentless pushing and his kind of sideline chatter, and what I've heard from little bits of practice video that have leaked out; some require a different style. But assuming my daughter were good enough, wanted to play for him, and felt she could deal with it, sure. He is a great coach.

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[SCGamecock]

[GlennMacGrady]

[Durantula]

[Durantula]

Here's another one. In 2012 CBS polled around 100 college coaches, the ones who actually recruit these kids, about whether Coach K has an advantage coaching USA Basketball. http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/19788727/critical-coaches-how-much-is-coach-k-helped-by-team-usa

The question: Has Mike Krzyzewski earned a recruiting advantage because of his association with USA Basketball?

Yes: 71 percent
No: 29 percent

"Every elite-level recruit in America dreams of one day winning an Olympic Gold. Do you know how many days in a row Duke could send out a USA basketball mail without having to use the same picture of Coach K twice? I'd bet they could go a year, easy. He's proved himself as the best coach in the world. He's coached LeBron, Kobe and Durant and got them all to buy in for a common purpose. Come on. Huge advantage. And it's deserved."

"It increases his celebrity. People are saying, 'There's my future coach.' And he's got a network of people. He can get in touch with Kobe and LeBron whenever he wants."

"It's huge because everyone watches the Olympics."

"He can send a text to a kid -- and the kid can watch him coaching the Team USA on TV."

"He's getting a lot of facetime."

"It's huge in recruiting. He has the best players in the world on his side."

"It's a massive advantage. You don't think he's constantly talking to kids and name-dropping LeBron, Kobe and KD? There are kids out there thinking, 'If he's good enough to be their coach, he's good enough to be my coach.' That's tough to counter."

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[Howee]

[Oldfandepot2]

In both case both Geno and Coach K, thier's were an established successful program before they took the reins of the Olympic team and thus were able to attract the top players before their tenure started, long before. I do not believe that their tenure as a the USA coach can ever be considered a tipping point for their successful recruitment. It was there already as by the time Geno had, as mentioned, five NC's with and additional two without the benefit of being the USA head coach. Coach resume is just as established as Geno before assuming the top job for USA men's basketball.

I doubt going forward if Dawn will out recruit Muffet, Brenda, Geno
or Tara because of her new position.

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[Davis4632]

. Battlelines have been drawn. Some people believe it has an effect, and some don't, and I believe it does for reason already explained. I would say more but I can't do it without going on a rant against Geno and K.

[ArtBest23]

The bottom line is that it creates a lousy appearance for USA Basketball which should be enough whether the effect is real or imagined. It's something they should avoid for their own good and the good of the game. Especially when it's easy enough to avoid the appearance.

When 71% of men's coaches believe K gets a recruiting advantage from being Olympic coach, then there IS a problem that should be avoided. The perception is a problem whether the recruiting advantage is real or not. And I expect you'd get a similar result on the women's side.

[PUmatty]

It's one reason that I believe that coaches should be on a four-year cycle and not kept on longer like Geno or K were.

It's also why I think coaches should be picked whose accomplishments have earned the slot. Don't just give the slot to someone who has managed one Final Four in her 16-year coaching career, when there are coaches who have done a lot more.

[SDHoops]

Funny. I thought the title read that Dawn is the new coach..crazy how Geno has been the obsession of so many..

[FrozenLVFan]

Back in the olden days, the coach picked an asst coach who went on to become the next coach. This allowed more great coaches to be involved, provided some continuity, and ensured that the new coach had some experience dealing with Olympic procedures. I would favor returning to this system. The US has enough capable and deserving coaches to make it work.

[ArtBest23]

[FrozenLVFan]

Fine, then let the HC submit a list of acceptable AC candidates to USAB, and let them choose. I can't see how USAB is currently doing a great job at avoiding bias and cliquishness (is that a word?) by letting anyone stay on for 2 Olympics in a row.

[ArtBest23]

[linkster]

Isn't the point to pick the best available coach? Even if we agree that the position affords some degree of advantage in recruiting should avoiding that be the primary factor in choosing a coach? Who is USA supposed to pick? Should it be done by lottery?

There is an assumption that every coach in college and the pros is eager for the job but I'm not so certain. Both Geno and Dawn served as assistants prior to becoming National team head coaches. There are probably a lot of coaches who aren't interested in spending 4 or 8 years serving as an assistant before getting the HC job.

Coaches have always had advantages of all sorts. Schools that can afford to provide luxurious living arrangements for athletes and/or provide more extensive tutorial services have an advantage over schools with limited budgets. Schools that take teams on summer trips and Thanksgiving vacations to the Caribbean or to Hawaii have an advantage. Schools that get on national TV on a regular basis have an advantage. And coaches that hold summer camps on campus have long had a huge edge in recruiting. I don't remember anyone ever complaining that Summit shouldn't have been able to have extensive contact with HS stars at her summer camps. While I don't think this is another anti-Geno thread, it's odd that none of these other obvious advantages some coaches have/had have never been a topic here.