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FrozenLVFan



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PostPosted: 11/21/16 10:19 pm    ::: Thomas More stripped of D-3 title Reply Reply with quote

Thomas More was recently stripped of its 2015 D-3 title because Sydney Moss received free housing, a.k.a. impermissable benefits, by living with an asst coach for 8 months while recovering from knee surgery. The school will also vacate all 33 wins from that undefeated season.

It seems to me that this is all on the coaching staff and their compliance person for not knowing the rules. AFAIK, this is the first time a school has been stripped of a national title in basketball, although the same fate may face the Louisville men's team soon for the prostitute scandal.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/othercolleges/2016/11/15/ncaa-announces-sanctions-against-thomas-more/93907266/

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2016/11/thomas-more-womens-basketball-ncaa-sanctions


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PostPosted: 11/22/16 9:30 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This is a stupid regulation, IMO.



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PostPosted: 11/22/16 9:36 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

summertime blues wrote:
This is a stupid regulation, IMO.


Which one? The "No prostitution" rule or the "you can't let a student athlete live in your home for 8 months" rule? I back both of them myself.


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PostPosted: 11/22/16 10:32 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Fighting Artichoke wrote:
summertime blues wrote:
This is a stupid regulation, IMO.


Which one? The "No prostitution" rule or the "you can't let a student athlete live in your home for 8 months" rule? I back both of them myself.


I agree.

And you can't tell me that the coaching staff or SOMEONE associated with the program didn't know that this was against the rules.

Or at least think to ask if it was OK.


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PostPosted: 11/22/16 10:33 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

"The student-athlete knew the former assistant coach from her youth."

Normally, the litmus test for impermissible benefits is one where an athlete would not receive a benefit that another member of the general student population would not receive.

Here, however, the line is extremely blurred, as there was a pre-existing relationship.


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PostPosted: 11/22/16 10:48 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
"The student-athlete knew the former assistant coach from her youth."

Normally, the litmus test for impermissible benefits is one where an athlete would not receive a benefit that another member of the general student population would not receive.

Here, however, the line is extremely blurred, as there was a pre-existing relationship.


Just ask! It's a pretty simple thing to do.

Given who her dad is, the family is not new to the sports world and the NCAA. They had to know there would be questions about the arrangement.


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PostPosted: 11/22/16 11:03 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think a key thing here is that it's D3, where no financial support based on athletics is allowed. Free housing is a pretty good value. A D1 player would already be getting it, so living with a coach wouldn't be a big deal. But at D3 with no scholarship money allowed, that's hard to justify as legitimate.


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PostPosted: 11/22/16 12:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
"The student-athlete knew the former assistant coach from her youth."

Normally, the litmus test for impermissible benefits is one where an athlete would not receive a benefit that another member of the general student population would not receive.

Here, however, the line is extremely blurred, as there was a pre-existing relationship.

That's a good point, Cam, but you think they would have asked whether the NCAA would allow it.


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PostPosted: 11/22/16 6:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

A blurry line is exactly what mandates checking with the NCAA.


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