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| First Olympics since Barcelona-1992 Australia hasn't medaled. |
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| Posted: 08/16/16 11:53 am ::: |
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| terrible game by the Aussies. I think this just opened the door for Spain to cruise into the gold medal match.
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| Posted: 08/16/16 12:56 pm ::: |
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| So this was timed pretty unfortunately.
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| Posted: 08/16/16 1:37 pm ::: |
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| Man, really wanted to see Penny go out with a bang.
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| Posted: 08/16/16 1:39 pm ::: |
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| Man, really wanted to see Penny go out with a bang. |
Well Joyce might get fired, if that counts.  |
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| Posted: 08/16/16 1:44 pm ::: |
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WOW..speechless..
here's looking at you USA to NOT screw this up today.
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| Posted: 08/16/16 4:09 pm ::: |
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| Serbia just seemed like they wanted it more. They forced turnovers and they got most of the 50-50 balls. Australia looked disorganized on both ends of the court. No movement on offense. On defense, Cambage should be under the basket. Too often, she was out on the perimeter and unable to get back. |
That is the problem when the 2 postplayers from Serbia are outside shooters
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| Dang. Didn't get to see all of it, but it did SEEM like Lizzy vs. The World. Most unfortunate. Though obviously The Opals are a bit down in quality, it does reflect well on the other teams and their improvements.
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| Posted: 08/17/16 1:02 pm ::: |
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| Michelle89 wrote: |
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| Serbia just seemed like they wanted it more. They forced turnovers and they got most of the 50-50 balls. Australia looked disorganized on both ends of the court. No movement on offense. On defense, Cambage should be under the basket. Too often, she was out on the perimeter and unable to get back. |
That is the problem when the 2 postplayers from Serbia are outside shooters |
True, but Australia needed to make some kind of adjustment. As LJ and many posters on this board have pointed out, Australia's defense allowed too many lay-ups throughout the tournament -- especially on pick and rolls. Even for straight drives the backside help was lacking. If Liz is too slow to react, then Australia should try a zone. Just plant her in the middle, then take your chances that her teammates can rotate quickly enough on the perimeter. It's not like Serbia was shooting lights out yesterday. Something different was at least worth a try.
In the end, as LJ said, the problem was a little of everything. Yesterday, the biggest issue was the 17 TO margin (26 vs 9). It's just that the defensive lapses have been pretty conspicuous from early on, and it doesn't seem like anything was done about it.
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| Posted: 08/17/16 3:04 pm ::: |
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| root_thing wrote: |
| Michelle89 wrote: |
| root_thing wrote: |
| Serbia just seemed like they wanted it more. They forced turnovers and they got most of the 50-50 balls. Australia looked disorganized on both ends of the court. No movement on offense. On defense, Cambage should be under the basket. Too often, she was out on the perimeter and unable to get back. |
That is the problem when the 2 postplayers from Serbia are outside shooters |
True, but Australia needed to make some kind of adjustment. As LJ and many posters on this board have pointed out, Australia's defense allowed too many lay-ups throughout the tournament -- especially on pick and rolls. Even for straight drives the backside help was lacking. If Liz is too slow to react, then Australia should try a zone. Just plant her in the middle, then take your chances that her teammates can rotate quickly enough on the perimeter. It's not like Serbia was shooting lights out yesterday. Something different was at least worth a try.
In the end, as LJ said, the problem was a little of everything. Yesterday, the biggest issue was the 17 TO margin (26 vs 9). It's just that the defensive lapses have been pretty conspicuous from early on, and it doesn't seem like anything was done about it. |
True but you cant blame the open layups all on Cambage not being in the middle. There wasnt a weakside help and rotation on those layups AT ALL. Defenders were staying in their corners with their man. That just cant happen
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| Posted: 08/17/16 4:35 pm ::: |
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| Michelle89 wrote: |
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| Serbia just seemed like they wanted it more. They forced turnovers and they got most of the 50-50 balls. Australia looked disorganized on both ends of the court. No movement on offense. On defense, Cambage should be under the basket. Too often, she was out on the perimeter and unable to get back. |
That is the problem when the 2 postplayers from Serbia are outside shooters |
True, but Australia needed to make some kind of adjustment. As LJ and many posters on this board have pointed out, Australia's defense allowed too many lay-ups throughout the tournament -- especially on pick and rolls. Even for straight drives the backside help was lacking. If Liz is too slow to react, then Australia should try a zone. Just plant her in the middle, then take your chances that her teammates can rotate quickly enough on the perimeter. It's not like Serbia was shooting lights out yesterday. Something different was at least worth a try.
In the end, as LJ said, the problem was a little of everything. Yesterday, the biggest issue was the 17 TO margin (26 vs 9). It's just that the defensive lapses have been pretty conspicuous from early on, and it doesn't seem like anything was done about it. |
True but you cant blame the open layups all on Cambage not being in the middle. There wasnt a weakside help and rotation on those layups AT ALL. Defenders were staying in their corners with their man. That just cant happen |
Agreed, I'm not blaming Cambage. It's more about Joyce. I'm just pointing out that a 6-8 shot-blocker is better used as a rim protector than as a perimeter defender. Liz is also less likely to draw fouls if she isn't chasing people, which leads to bumping and the temptation to reach in. Moving her to the paint isn't the only solution or the only thing that needs to be fixed, but it's one of the more obvious choices. When Griner was at Baylor, she practically lived in the paint and it worked out pretty well -- so well that many feel the WNBA added the defensive 3-second rule just to hamper her. If international rules allow your 6-8 shot-blocker to stand under the basket all game long, then maybe that's an advantage you should try to exploit.
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| Posted: 08/17/16 4:51 pm ::: |
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| root_thing wrote: |
| Michelle89 wrote: |
| root_thing wrote: |
| Michelle89 wrote: |
| root_thing wrote: |
| Serbia just seemed like they wanted it more. They forced turnovers and they got most of the 50-50 balls. Australia looked disorganized on both ends of the court. No movement on offense. On defense, Cambage should be under the basket. Too often, she was out on the perimeter and unable to get back. |
That is the problem when the 2 postplayers from Serbia are outside shooters |
True, but Australia needed to make some kind of adjustment. As LJ and many posters on this board have pointed out, Australia's defense allowed too many lay-ups throughout the tournament -- especially on pick and rolls. Even for straight drives the backside help was lacking. If Liz is too slow to react, then Australia should try a zone. Just plant her in the middle, then take your chances that her teammates can rotate quickly enough on the perimeter. It's not like Serbia was shooting lights out yesterday. Something different was at least worth a try.
In the end, as LJ said, the problem was a little of everything. Yesterday, the biggest issue was the 17 TO margin (26 vs 9). It's just that the defensive lapses have been pretty conspicuous from early on, and it doesn't seem like anything was done about it. |
True but you cant blame the open layups all on Cambage not being in the middle. There wasnt a weakside help and rotation on those layups AT ALL. Defenders were staying in their corners with their man. That just cant happen |
Agreed, I'm not blaming Cambage. It's more about Joyce. I'm just pointing out that a 6-8 shot-blocker is better used as a rim protector than as a perimeter defender. Liz is also less likely to draw fouls if she isn't chasing people, which leads to bumping and the temptation to reach in. Moving her to the paint isn't the only solution or the only thing that needs to be fixed, but it's one of the more obvious choices. When Griner was at Baylor, she practically lived in the paint and it worked out pretty well -- so well that many feel the WNBA added the defensive 3-second rule just to hamper her. If international rules allow your 6-8 shot-blocker to stand under the basket all game long, then maybe that's an advantage you should try to exploit. |
Australia going to the zone was what got them back in the game against Japan, and really any defensive scheme was going to serve them better than Joyce's "aggressive switching" on everything. But the problem with using Australia's 2-3 against Serbia was Serbia's bigs can shoot and they have big wing players; Erin Phillips and Leilani Mitchell (plus Lavey) are tiny. Serbia could have just shot right over those two (whereas Japan weren't so long).
Not that any of that is going to overcome 26 TOs. 
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| Has LJ ever indicated a desire to coach?
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