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PostPosted: 07/11/16 5:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shimmel & Bulgak to Seattle for Monica Wright?



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PostPosted: 07/11/16 7:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
Shimmel & Bulgak to Seattle for Monica Wright?


NO



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PostPosted: 07/13/16 12:06 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/liberty-players-disappointed-cops-quitting-jobs-lynx-article-1.2708631



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PostPosted: 07/13/16 1:53 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I hate to be happy about someone's bad news, but the bad news for Rebecca Allen about not being selected for the Australian team heading to Rio is certainly good news for the Liberty.



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PostPosted: 07/13/16 4:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The Liberty still have another Olympian, and it's her birthday!





Olcay Cakir is a 6-0 point guard for Turkey who turns 23 today. She was a 3rd Round pick of the Liberty in 2013. Olcay means "luck" or "lucky" in Turkish. I was thinking we could call her Lucky as a nickname, but that sounds too much like someone's pet dog. Anyway, a young player for New York fans to watch next month. Happy birthday, Olcay!




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Is she ever coming over?



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PostPosted: 07/13/16 5:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
Is she ever coming over?


According to WNBA.com, Cakir was suspended after training camp. We never heard anything about her signing a contract, but a suspension implies that she did. Who knows what happened? My best guess is that Cakir was intending to attend training camp, but then the national team obligations got in her way. So, maybe next year.

At least Cakir will now get a chance to play. She was buried on the bench for Fenerbahce, which is Turkey's top team and always in "win now" mode. They usually go with foreign players and veterans. On the other hand, the Turkish national team needed new blood so Olcay got a break. Last year, she hit a big game-tying three late in OT of the Turkey-Russia elimination game that knocked Russia out of the Olympics. It seems that she is finally getting some attention again.


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PostPosted: 07/13/16 5:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So if she comes over next year, we might have:

PG: Boyd/Cakir
SG: Rodgers/Prince/Wright
SF: Allen/Zellous
PF: Charles/Zahui B.
C: Swords/Stokes
12th: Shimmel or Bulgak



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PostPosted: 07/13/16 5:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Do not sleep on Barbee


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Do not sleep on Barbee


I love Barbee. Solidly built, good athlete, does a little of everything on offense and plays solid defense. Not flashy, but a blue collar type who looks like a Liberty player.


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PostPosted: 07/13/16 5:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Barbee seems more like a Thibault type of player.

How ya going to make room for her, assuming you like what you see.



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PostPosted: 07/13/16 5:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
Barbee seems more like a Thibault type of player.

How ya going to make room for her, assuming you like what you see.


You're always trying to get as many good players as you can. If you have too many, it's a nice problem to have.


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PostPosted: 07/13/16 5:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

root_thing wrote:
Shades wrote:
Barbee seems more like a Thibault type of player.

How ya going to make room for her, assuming you like what you see.


You're always trying to get as many good players as you can. If you have too many, it's a nice problem to have.


You got too many now. That's why I asked.

You've got Cash moving on. Anybody else?



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PostPosted: 07/13/16 6:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

LFO wrote:
Do not sleep on Barbee


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Barbee ain't all that. Very Happy



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PostPosted: 07/13/16 7:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

myrtle wrote:
Barbee ain't all that. Very Happy


We weren't supposed to sleep on the "best undrafted invitee" Danielle Ballard either. Wink



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PostPosted: 07/13/16 7:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Sorry to be confused here, but does New York hold the rights to Cakir and Barbee for 2017?



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PostPosted: 07/13/16 7:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Bob Lamm wrote:
Sorry to be confused here, but does New York hold the rights to Cakir and Barbee for 2017?


Cakir, yes. Barbee in theory can re-enter the draft, but it's unlikely.


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PostPosted: 07/13/16 8:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

root_thing wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
Sorry to be confused here, but does New York hold the rights to Cakir and Barbee for 2017?


Cakir, yes. Barbee in theory can re-enter the draft, but it's unlikely.


Thanks for clarifying this.



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PostPosted: 07/13/16 8:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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toad455 wrote:
Shimmel & Bulgak to Seattle for Monica Wright?


NO


Seattle would do that deal and run. Laughing



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PostPosted: 07/13/16 8:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

root_thing wrote:
Bob Lamm wrote:
Sorry to be confused here, but does New York hold the rights to Cakir and Barbee for 2017?


Cakir, yes. Barbee in theory can re-enter the draft, but it's unlikely.


If I remember the rules correctly, Barbee can only re-enter the draft if she does not play professionally between now and next season. If Barbee does play overseas she becomes a reserved player for NY, meaning she could only negotiate with NY unless NY waives her, or trades her rights. My guess would be if healthy she will play somewhere in the next year and end up in the Liberty training camp.

It would also be fun to see Cakir in camp, though when I've mentioned her in the past the folks who follow the overseas game basically say don't get your hopes up, both in regard to her coming over, or being a WNBA level player, but she is young, so who knows?


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PostPosted: 07/13/16 8:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Also the last couple of seasons NY has had a bigger roster turnover than any of us have predicted.

This season NY added four (actually 5) new players Zellous, Zahui B., Schimmel and Bulgak, (oh and Harding) and got an international to show up after only playing one game last season due to injury so while I would be pretty happy to see everyone back I wouldn't count on it.

The season before NY added 6 new players in Prince, Wright, Swords, Allen, Boyd, and Stokes.

2017
Prince/Boyd
Rodgers/Wright/Schimmel
Allen/Zellous
Charles/Zahui B./Bulgak
Stokes/Swords

I'd be very happy if this was next years squad, but I will also be very shocked if this is next years squad.


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PostPosted: 07/13/16 9:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

For those of you keeping track: the Liberty did not wear the #BlackLivesMatter/#Dallas5 shirts today... but neither did they wear the standard-issue Liberty warm-up shirts. They wore plain black Adidas, no logo except that Adidas logo.



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PostPosted: 07/13/16 10:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

J-Spoon wrote:
Also the last couple of seasons NY has had a bigger roster turnover than any of us have predicted.

This season NY added four (actually 5) new players Zellous, Zahui B., Schimmel and Bulgak, (oh and Harding) and got an international to show up after only playing one game last season due to injury so while I would be pretty happy to see everyone back I wouldn't count on it.

The season before NY added 6 new players in Prince, Wright, Swords, Allen, Boyd, and Stokes.

2017
Prince/Boyd
Rodgers/Wright/Schimmel
Allen/Zellous
Charles/Zahui B./Bulgak
Stokes/Swords

I'd be very happy if this was next years squad, but I will also be very shocked if this is next years squad.


The reminders you've shared here are why I am way past skeptical when I read detailed projections in July 2016 for the Liberty roster in May 2017. Six new players in 2015, five new players in 2016, but no new players in 2017? Not very likely.



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Queenie wrote:
For those of you keeping track: the Liberty did not wear the #BlackLivesMatter/#Dallas5 shirts today... but neither did they wear the standard-issue Liberty warm-up shirts. They wore plain black Adidas, no logo except that Adidas logo.


Thanks for this report.



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