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awhom111
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Jet Jaguar
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Posted: 07/11/16 8:08 am ::: |
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How do they do that draft? It looks like they just don't pick anybody. Usually an agent will be in contacts with certain teams and then they strike a deal with a specific team. For Korea do they negotiate with the actual league and then they get a pool of players who have agreed to play in the league and then do the draft? Just find it weird because I can't think of any other league that has a draft like this.
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awhom111
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Posted: 07/11/16 8:43 pm ::: |
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Jet Jaguar wrote: |
How do they do that draft? It looks like they just don't pick anybody. Usually an agent will be in contacts with certain teams and then they strike a deal with a specific team. For Korea do they negotiate with the actual league and then they get a pool of players who have agreed to play in the league and then do the draft? Just find it weird because I can't think of any other league that has a draft like this. |
Foreign players apply to the league (123 for 12 spots this year not counting late withdrawals) and are subject to pick by any team. Only they and the Korean Men's league use this format. They and some other leagues do hold drafts of domestic players, but usually players are only subject to those drafts once, like leagues here. The men's draft had 500+ applicants for 20 spots and they will hold full tryouts in Las Vegas soon before the actual draft. Agents are actually barred from that draft and you have to sign the contract on the spot or lose your place. There were a couple of different news articles on last year's men's draft in English language media.
Both leagues can get away with this because of the amount and reliability of pay, which is the same for all foreign players in the women's league and based on draft position in the men's league. Since all of the teams are owned by large corporate entities, they want to maintain parity amongst themselves and also have league salary caps which obviously is not a feature of most other international leagues either. There are always suspicions of under the table pay and benefits though. The upper limit on pay prevents them from drawing out and out stars, but they generally get WNBA players.
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Richyyy
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Posted: 07/11/16 9:06 pm ::: |
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Overseas performance often differs a lot from US production but if they're all being paid the same it seems bizarre that Bulgak went 9th. Even without knowing who the options were beyond the 12 drafted, why her over Hawkins/Howard/Achonwa? |
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awhom111
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Posted: 07/11/16 11:15 pm ::: |
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Here is the post-draft picture:
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Richyyy wrote: |
Overseas performance often differs a lot from US production but if they're all being paid the same it seems bizarre that Bulgak went 9th. Even without knowing who the options were beyond the 12 drafted, why her over Hawkins/Howard/Achonwa? |
Nobody said they were good at drafting. I look forward to Monique Currie winning the playing time split with Jonquel Jones as I predicted she would do to Markeisha Gatling last season. The other interesting split will be Stokes/Pierson.
I can sort of buy Bulgak over Achonwa for position reasons, although I think a traditional center might be good to complement Tuck. Howard makes no sense considering she's already played in the league and proven to be effective.
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toad455
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Posted: 07/12/16 9:06 am ::: |
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Weren't there more teams last season in Korea? I seem to remember 8 teams last year.
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przemoe
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Posted: 07/13/16 1:46 am ::: |
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So if we started this already, then I'm pleased to say Renee Montgomery will show up in Gdynia jersey this season. |
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kool-aide
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Posted: 07/13/16 9:23 am ::: |
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No Charde Houston in South Korea next season? Didn't she have a lot of success there the last couple of years? Did she retire?
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Str8_Butta
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Posted: 07/13/16 12:21 pm ::: |
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I wish Kia Vaughn would go somewhere other than where she's been playing for the last few yrs. Go somewhere with more competition.
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fanaticka
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awhom111
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Posted: 07/13/16 11:43 pm ::: |
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kool-aide wrote: |
No Charde Houston in South Korea next season? Didn't she have a lot of success there the last couple of years? Did she retire? |
Her last season ended with an injury so if it was serious enough I could see it lasting past the start of the upcoming season, but I don't think anything was ever publicized widely about it.
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awhom111
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Posted: 07/20/16 8:36 pm ::: |
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Where is our resident Kendall Kenyon fan?
She signed to play in Puerto Rico recently.
That league will be covered here when it starts in August.
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kool-aide
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Posted: 07/21/16 11:02 am ::: |
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awhom111 wrote: |
kool-aide wrote: |
No Charde Houston in South Korea next season? Didn't she have a lot of success there the last couple of years? Did she retire? |
Her last season ended with an injury so if it was serious enough I could see it lasting past the start of the upcoming season, but I don't think anything was ever publicized widely about it. |
Ah, thank you. I did miss reports of a serious injury.
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Shades
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Posted: 08/01/16 4:48 pm ::: |
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Tiffany Mitchell, Amanda Zahui, EWilliams all playing together on Russian club Nadezha Orenbur
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Jet Jaguar
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Posted: 08/01/16 7:53 pm ::: |
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(not that anyone on here cares about this except me but...) Sammy signed to play for Panathinaikos in Greece.
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Str8_Butta
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Posted: 08/01/16 9:09 pm ::: |
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Shades wrote: |
Tiffany Mitchell, Amanda Zahui, EWilliams all playing together on Russian club Nadezha Orenbur |
Their games are normally available online right? I hope to catch a lot of their games, not just for AZB but I actually like the other two too.
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Queenie
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Posted: 08/01/16 9:44 pm ::: |
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Jet Jaguar wrote: |
(not that anyone on here cares about this except me but...) Sammy signed to play for Panathinaikos in Greece. |
Oh, dear. Aren't Greek squads notorious for not paying up?
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zune69
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Posted: 08/01/16 10:22 pm ::: |
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Jet Jaguar wrote: |
(not that anyone on here cares about this except me but...) Sammy signed to play for Panathinaikos in Greece. |
If Sammy has a good season maybe a wnba team will give her a shot(Atl,wash)
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Jet Jaguar
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Jet Jaguar
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Posted: 08/02/16 12:26 am ::: |
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Queenie wrote: |
Jet Jaguar wrote: |
(not that anyone on here cares about this except me but...) Sammy signed to play for Panathinaikos in Greece. |
Oh, dear. Aren't Greek squads notorious for not paying up? |
I don't think any more than any other league. Players have had trouble in Turkey and Russia too. Depends on the club. Panathinaikos is an old well-established sports organization that has teams in a number of other sports in Greece (men's bball, soccer, etc), so they got money.
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Wiseone1
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Posted: 08/02/16 2:07 am ::: |
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Kizer and Larkins will be playing on the same team in Greece.
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awhom111
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Posted: 08/02/16 8:58 pm ::: |
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Luuuc wrote: |
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(not that anyone on here cares about this except me but...) |
I care. I very much enjoy the Sammy sideshow here
Now I'm going to have to ask WBB247 to add the Greek league to their regular coverage for the coming season. |
Put me in the cares group too. I have no strong feelings about the two big Greek clubs, but I suppose I have known more people who have played for Pao (not to be confused with PAOK) than Oly and a few more fans of the Greens too. It is good to see the Athens club making a push and signing a big name player while their rivals from Piraeus appear to be trying to re-establish themselves continentally.
That's probably a no on the regular coverage though. I do not believe I have ever seen the website of the Women's League, so I have no idea about the reliability and timeliness of their stats. If it is anything like the Men's League, they might have live stats in English and then boxscores in Greek. eurobasket.com appears to have stats so I suppose they are reasonably available. I usually also run the Greek through a translator, but the letters are not that hard to recognize once you are used to seeing them.
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Shades wrote: |
Tiffany Mitchell, Amanda Zahui, EWilliams all playing together on Russian club Nadezha Orenbur |
Their games are normally available online right? I hope to catch a lot of their games, not just for AZB but I actually like the other two too. |
Assuming no changes from last season, they should all be available. Production value varies greatly depending on which team is hosting.
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Queenie wrote: |
Jet Jaguar wrote: |
(not that anyone on here cares about this except me but...) Sammy signed to play for Panathinaikos in Greece. |
Oh, dear. Aren't Greek squads notorious for not paying up? |
I don't think any more than any other league. Players have had trouble in Turkey and Russia too. Depends on the club. Panathinaikos is an old well-established sports organization that has teams in a number of other sports in Greece (men's bball, soccer, etc), so they got money. |
I have never heard of any money troubles at the two big Greek clubs in any sport. Of course, opposing fans will accuse the owners of being tax cheats and letting the rest of the country fall flat on its face. The other clubs have had pretty spotty records across other sports, but a lot of teams are still financed by people who still have money no matter how bad the economic situation gets.
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Jet Jaguar
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