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 Posted: 03/19/15 4:57 pm ::: SMU - UCLA |
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| Ends on the worst goaltending call you're ever likely to see
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| Posted: 03/19/15 6:05 pm ::: |
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| Looked like a correct call to me. Following the shot's arc looks like it would have hit the rim. To stop it before it does is goaltending.
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| Posted: 03/21/15 6:52 am ::: |
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Goaltending shall have occurred when a defensive player touches
the ball during a field-goal try and each of the following conditions is met:
a. The ball is in its downward flight; and
b. The entire ball is above the level of the ring and has the possibility,
while in flight, of entering the basket and is not touching the
cylinder. |
I would say that it's questionable whether the entire ball was above the ring, but more to the point, it had zero possibility of entering the basket.
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justintyme
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| Posted: 03/21/15 9:25 am ::: |
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Goaltending shall have occurred when a defensive player touches
the ball during a field-goal try and each of the following conditions is met:
a. The ball is in its downward flight; and
b. The entire ball is above the level of the ring and has the possibility,
while in flight, of entering the basket and is not touching the
cylinder. |
I would say that it's questionable whether the entire ball was above the ring, but more to the point, it had zero possibility of entering the basket. |
Freeze frames show it clearly above rim.
Since it is impossible for the refs to read spin, that it would have hit rim gives it at least .0001% chance of bouncing up and going in. And by rule that .0001% is all that is needed. Even if it would have required the luckiest bounce ever.
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| Posted: 03/21/15 9:31 am ::: |
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Goaltending shall have occurred when a defensive player touches
the ball during a field-goal try and each of the following conditions is met:
a. The ball is in its downward flight; and
b. The entire ball is above the level of the ring and has the possibility,
while in flight, of entering the basket and is not touching the
cylinder. |
I would say that it's questionable whether the entire ball was above the ring, but more to the point, it had zero possibility of entering the basket. |
Freeze frames show it clearly above rim.
Since it is impossible for the refs to read spin, that it would have hit rim gives it at least .0001% chance of bouncing up and going in. And by rule that .0001% is all that is needed. Even if it would have required the luckiest bounce ever. |
There's certainly no way the ref at mid-court, who called it, can make that determination. The refs who were closer and had better angles did not blow their whistles.
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| Posted: 03/21/15 9:36 am ::: |
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Goaltending shall have occurred when a defensive player touches
the ball during a field-goal try and each of the following conditions is met:
a. The ball is in its downward flight; and
b. The entire ball is above the level of the ring and has the possibility,
while in flight, of entering the basket and is not touching the
cylinder. |
I would say that it's questionable whether the entire ball was above the ring, but more to the point, it had zero possibility of entering the basket. |
Freeze frames show it clearly above rim.
Since it is impossible for the refs to read spin, that it would have hit rim gives it at least .0001% chance of bouncing up and going in. And by rule that .0001% is all that is needed. Even if it would have required the luckiest bounce ever. |
I agree that a .0001% chance of bouncing up and going in should be enough to qualify, but I strongly disagree that glancing the outside edge of the rim - which is the most that ball was going to do - gives the it anything above 0% chance of going in, regardless of spin, atmospheric conditions, prayer, time-space wormholes, ...
It's one of those instances where it would be nice if common sense could just prevail.
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| Posted: 03/21/15 10:04 am ::: |
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| pilight wrote: |
| justintyme wrote: |
| Luuuc wrote: |
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Goaltending shall have occurred when a defensive player touches
the ball during a field-goal try and each of the following conditions is met:
a. The ball is in its downward flight; and
b. The entire ball is above the level of the ring and has the possibility,
while in flight, of entering the basket and is not touching the
cylinder. |
I would say that it's questionable whether the entire ball was above the ring, but more to the point, it had zero possibility of entering the basket. |
Freeze frames show it clearly above rim.
Since it is impossible for the refs to read spin, that it would have hit rim gives it at least .0001% chance of bouncing up and going in. And by rule that .0001% is all that is needed. Even if it would have required the luckiest bounce ever. |
There's certainly no way the ref at mid-court, who called it, can make that determination. The refs who were closer and had better angles did not blow their whistles. |
This point I do agree with. Judgement calls should be made by the person in the best position.
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| Posted: 03/21/15 4:51 pm ::: |
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| And the UCLA run continues as they advanced to the Sweet 16 today. |
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