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I've always liked what I've seen from Gatling in the rare moments she gets to play. I think she might be a little underrated playing under the shadow of Fowles. Maybe CHI could deal her.
Gatling for hometown girl Liston or Jarry? |
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Not sure her stamina or conditioning allows for her to be on the court longer than a "moment" at a time. But yes, she is effective at hitting lay-ups which is ALWAYS a positive when you are a WNBA Center. You'd think it wouldn't be THAT difficult of a skill to possess at 6'4 or greater. |
Hey, if she can play 20/20 with McCarville and use her size to keep Griner out of the paint, that's all the Lynx really need.
Of course, this is something Harris should be able to do. |
You would have EVERY player you THINK would benefit the Lynx on their quest to #ReclaimGlory, if you could (what fan or more importantly, GM, wouldn't?).
Problem is, if the player is THAT good, they aren't likely to be cut by their current team. And there aren't even enough GOOD players to really fill out a 12-woman roster (hence the Greene's, Bias', Brandon's, and McKenith's of the WNBA). Yes there is always the occasional diamond in the rough (Larkins, Quigley and Breland) who bounces around until they find the right home. But usually if you're good enough, you stay and win. If not, you get traded for a similar player who is struggling just as bad on their own team and it's a "maybe a change in scenary will help" or you're just out of the league for good.
You can't keep expecting teams will just hand over players with actual skill to the Lynx in order to have a killer roster top to bottom where they go undefeated 34-0 and sweep the playoffs again. Teams get better and win titles through the draft and with experience and chemistry among their core group. Very rarely is it done any other way (i.e. - dispersal draft, shocking trade, or star player demanding to be moved). |
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| Posted: 09/16/14 5:09 pm ::: |
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I've always liked what I've seen from Gatling in the rare moments she gets to play. I think she might be a little underrated playing under the shadow of Fowles. Maybe CHI could deal her.
Gatling for hometown girl Liston or Jarry? |
Are you only watching her play on the offensive end? Because her defense is among the worst I've ever seen from a center and she commits fouls at a ridiculously high rate. Put her in the high pick and roll with an athletic PG and it's a layup or free throws almost every time.
But yeah, I'll take Liston for her.
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| Posted: 09/16/14 5:18 pm ::: |
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I've always liked what I've seen from Gatling in the rare moments she gets to play. I think she might be a little underrated playing under the shadow of Fowles. Maybe CHI could deal her.
Gatling for hometown girl Liston or Jarry? |
Are you only watching her play on the offensive end? Because her defense is among the worst I've ever seen from a center and she commits fouls at a ridiculously high rate. Put her in the high pick and roll with an athletic PG and it's a layup or free throws almost every time.
But yeah, I'll take Liston for her. |
nooooooooooooooo..lynx's secret weapon is goood. if she loses little bit of weight she could be great...
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| Posted: 09/16/14 5:58 pm ::: |
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I've always liked what I've seen from Gatling in the rare moments she gets to play. I think she might be a little underrated playing under the shadow of Fowles. Maybe CHI could deal her.
Gatling for hometown girl Liston or Jarry? |
Are you only watching her play on the offensive end? Because her defense is among the worst I've ever seen from a center and she commits fouls at a ridiculously high rate. Put her in the high pick and roll with an athletic PG and it's a layup or free throws almost every time.
But yeah, I'll take Liston for her. |
nooooooooooooooo..lynx's secret weapon is goood. if she loses little bit of weight she could be great... |
She doesn't need to lose as much as KML....say maybe 10 pounds to KML 's 20+.
But the thing is the Lynx probably won't be keeping both Liston and Jarry unless they decide to use Liston as more of a guard, and that would definitely require her to lose weight to become quicker, like Seimone did before the 2011 season. Seimone lost about 20 pounds!
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| Posted: 09/16/14 11:16 pm ::: |
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I've always liked what I've seen from Gatling in the rare moments she gets to play. I think she might be a little underrated playing under the shadow of Fowles. Maybe CHI could deal her.
Gatling for hometown girl Liston or Jarry? |
Are you only watching her play on the offensive end? Because her defense is among the worst I've ever seen from a center and she commits fouls at a ridiculously high rate. Put her in the high pick and roll with an athletic PG and it's a layup or free throws almost every time.
But yeah, I'll take Liston for her. |
nooooooooooooooo..lynx's secret weapon is goood. if she loses little bit of weight she could be great... |
She doesn't need to lose as much as KML....say maybe 10 pounds to KML 's 20+.
But the thing is the Lynx probably won't be keeping both Liston and Jarry unless they decide to use Liston as more of a guard, and that would definitely require her to lose weight to become quicker, like Seimone did before the 2011 season. Seimone lost about 20 pounds! |
Liston is a better shooter, so i would keep her instead of jarry..but yeah she wasn't quick enough to shoot at times.
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| Posted: 09/26/14 4:07 pm ::: |
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Pretty good article, but unfortunately - the biggest problems defy solution. There is no backup plan for getting by w.o. Delle Donne and after this many years is Fowles really going to stop making TO's when double or triple teamed? As for health - at best its luck (which means good luck happens sometimes too) at worst its the players simply are injury/illness prone and that's unlikely to change. If its luck all one can do is hope, if its the players you need new players.
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4 things the Chicago Sky should try to get done
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1. The Sky needs a viable "what-if" option for Delle Donne. Young filled in admirably, but she is more of a defensive specialist. The Sky needs a proven scorer at forward when Delle Donne is out of commission.
2. Fowles' job before next season is to get better, much better, at recognizing the double and triple teams, and passing out of them effectively.
3. Quigley, who led the team in 3-pointers with 41, can't do it all for the Sky from long-range. Prince must up her game, and another effective shooter needs to be signed.
4. Good luck: A horseshoe, some four-leaf clovers and perhaps a giant flyswatter to crush any injury bugs that buzz around next season might also be good investments for the locker room. After a season in which every starter was sidelined for multiple games, the Sky could use some luck next year.
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http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20140926/sports/140928672/
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| Posted: 09/26/14 5:18 pm ::: |
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4 things the Chicago Sky should try to get done
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1. The Sky needs a viable "what-if" option for Delle Donne. Young filled in admirably, but she is more of a defensive specialist. The Sky needs a proven scorer at forward when Delle Donne is out of commission.
2. Fowles' job before next season is to get better, much better, at recognizing the double and triple teams, and passing out of them effectively.
3. Quigley, who led the team in 3-pointers with 41, can't do it all for the Sky from long-range. Prince must up her game, and another effective shooter needs to be signed.
4. Good luck: A horseshoe, some four-leaf clovers and perhaps a giant flyswatter to crush any injury bugs that buzz around next season might also be good investments for the locker room. After a season in which every starter was sidelined for multiple games, the Sky could use some luck next year.
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Thank you Shades for posting quotes from the article. I could not read it because the words were hidden like it was a Top Secret document. Every thing the writer posted were all obvious observations that everyone here on Rebkell knew already. We all know the weak points of the Sky team. Are the players and the coaching staff committed to improving those weak areas of their team? That is the question that must be answered if the Sky are going to take the next step forward to winning a championship in the near future.
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20140926/sports/140928672/ |
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| Posted: 09/26/14 7:12 pm ::: |
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You don't even have to give the same answer the second time around. Now they have no idea where I live.....
BTW - isn't the author the talking head everyone lots to hate on the Sky broadcasts?
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| Posted: 09/26/14 7:24 pm ::: |
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You don't even have to give the same answer the second time around. Now they have no idea where I live.....
BTW - isn't the author the talking head everyone lots to hate on the Sky broadcasts? |
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| Posted: 09/26/14 8:59 pm ::: |
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You don't even have to give the same answer the second time around. Now they have no idea where I live.....
BTW - isn't the author the talking head everyone lots to hate on the Sky broadcasts? |
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Why? I always liked her. I thought she did very well when she was the color analyst as well a couple seasons ago.
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| Posted: 09/26/14 10:16 pm ::: |
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You don't even have to give the same answer the second time around. Now they have no idea where I live.....
BTW - isn't the author the talking head everyone lots to hate on the Sky broadcasts? |
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Why? I always liked her. I thought she did very well when she was the color analyst as well a couple seasons ago. |
Why are they terrible? Let me count the ways. First part of the problem is the two of them together - they feed on each others' bad habits:
1) they often babble endlessly on about something totally unrelated to the game in front of them. If you listened to them without the visual you could listen for minutes on end and not realize a game is actually happening.
2) they find some favorite phrase or idea and repeat it over and over and over and over and over ad nauseum. Sometimes it's not bad the first time but by the 15th time, you want to strangle someone.
3) the analysis is hit or miss. Sometimes they will say something intelligent and the next they say something like how T. Young should be shooting more because she is being left open. [gee, wonder why she is open]
4) they never seem to recognize (like Pokey) that part of the teams' problem is lack of movement and their idea is that Syl should get the ball every time down the floor even if she is being triple teamed.
There are other annoyances too, but these are the ones that immediately come to mind. IMO they are either the worst or next to the worst of the regular W commentators and they get the mute button more than anybody else.
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| Posted: 09/26/14 10:33 pm ::: |
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| Myrtle, we were referring to McGraw, who isn't a part of the regular broadcast team anymore (she does sideline reports). Brooke and Lisa are OK to me, probably not that great but the broadcasting standards of this league are pretty low and I'd put them around the middle of the pack. You do raise some good points, they seem to forget that they're casting a WNBA game and not a college one a lot. Point number 4 though is passable IMO, you're not going to hear a lot of broadcasters openly criticize their own team's coaching (regardless of whether they actually know what's going on or not).
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| Posted: 09/27/14 12:27 pm ::: |
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....but raise your hand if you thought the girl (Faulkner) was even making it through week 1 of TC when you saw her name called.
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::Raises Hand::  Faulkner almost single-handedly put Southern Mississippi on people's radar screens with her outstanding play last season.
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| Young is always open for a reason because she is a horrible shooter. |
You've been channeling Myrtlicious too much.  "Horrible" is hyperbole. In the conference semis, she averaged 12 ppg, for almost 57% shooting. Even her career fg average of 40% doesn't qualify as "horrible". Tamera is, unfortunately, lacking in consistency.
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| Any time Fowles gets the ball, it's pretty much a termination play, and opposing guards and forwards collapse into the lane to swipe at the ball, which Fowles carries much too low. This weakness is why Fowles isn't a great player ... because she just can't deal with passing, she's much too easy to guard. |
....is, imo, a greater deficiency for the Sky. Big Syl certainly CAN BE a force down low. But in this era, a Big Girl has to have more moves and viable strategies than Syl consistently demonstrates....and that I'd chalk up to coaching. I can't understand why she hasn't developed more effectiveness at the high post. But, ya....even *as is*, she's (mostly) damned good.
Prince? I still think she's an odd conundrum, with a mix of The Physical and The Mental games not in synch. Didn't she miss a chunk of time this season for "personal reasons"? Now, I'm not trying to be mean or harsh about it, but it DOES potentially explain why she's not at her peak for much of the season. I just hope that, in remaining with her 'only' team, the Sky, she's got her best chance of recovering the Old Piph we all know and love.
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| Posted: 09/28/14 6:56 am ::: |
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....but raise your hand if you thought the girl (Faulkner) was even making it through week 1 of TC when you saw her name called.
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::Raises Hand:: Faulkner almost single-handedly put Southern Mississippi on people's radar screens with her outstanding play last season.
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| Young is always open for a reason because she is a horrible shooter. |
You've been channeling Myrtlicious too much. "Horrible" is hyperbole. In the conference semis, she averaged 12 ppg, for almost 57% shooting. Even her career fg average of 40% doesn't qualify as "horrible". Tamera is, unfortunately, lacking in consistency.
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| Any time Fowles gets the ball, it's pretty much a termination play, and opposing guards and forwards collapse into the lane to swipe at the ball, which Fowles carries much too low. This weakness is why Fowles isn't a great player ... because she just can't deal with passing, she's much too easy to guard. |
....is, imo, a greater deficiency for the Sky. Big Syl certainly CAN BE a force down low. But in this era, a Big Girl has to have more moves and viable strategies than Syl consistently demonstrates....and that I'd chalk up to coaching. I can't understand why she hasn't developed more effectiveness at the high post. But, ya....even *as is*, she's (mostly) damned good.
Prince? I still think she's an odd conundrum, with a mix of The Physical and The Mental games not in synch. Didn't she miss a chunk of time this season for "personal reasons"? Now, I'm not trying to be mean or harsh about it, but it DOES potentially explain why she's not at her peak for much of the season. I just hope that, in remaining with her 'only' team, the Sky, she's got her best chance of recovering the Old Piph we all know and love. |
That career 40% from Young is not considered horrible because the most of her offense is driving and making layups wich lifts her field goal % up. I wonder what her field goal percentage would be if we only counted the jumpshots. And those are wide open. Her shooting form is just all wrong..
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| Posted: 09/28/14 2:20 pm ::: |
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I don't know how much of the Sky you watch, but the open shot on the side is her best bet. Drives to the lane usually end up in her not looking for the open player and shooting against a double-team. Her handles do not create enough opportunity for wide-opened lay ups.
Darn you Michelle89, No more atrocities from this viewpoint, only positive statements.
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The WNBA’s Biggest Sneakerhead Has More Heat Than You
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| There are a lot of great male professional athletes who are “sneakerheads.” Through free stuff, promotions, and maybe even signature sneaker lines, it seems like the more you have, the more you get. At least it feels that way. But Prince is that ultra rare breed. Not only is she a pro athlete who has legit heat in her closet — and probably tracks a lot of it down herself — she’s also female. Even in 2014, in an age where it feels like everyone is obsessed with sneakers, that alone makes her unique. |
http://blog.champssports.com/the-wnbas-biggest-sneakerhead-has-more-heat-than-you/
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Pokey is reportedly hanging out at Bulls practices. Seems like the hip thing to do now.
This seems like an awkward exchange set up for the camera.
https://vine.co/v/OhX3AtDn1jB
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| Yesterday Sloot & Quigley's Wisla Can-Pack defeated Prince's Dynamo Kursk 77-62 in Euroleague.
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New to the board (Hi) so not sure if this was suggested but would sky fans be happy trading Prince + someone else to LA for Ogwumike?
This could be a good fit for both teams...
Chicago
Vandersloot
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