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NYL_WNBA_FAN
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 Posted: 09/14/13 5:33 pm ::: Lottery tiebreakers |
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| Anyone know the situation involved in breaking any ties between 2, 3 and 4? I guess NY would finish below SASS in the event of a tie due to SASS sweeping NY this year. Other than that not sure what would come next. I'd like a few extra shots at that top pick obviously.
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| Posted: 09/14/13 5:44 pm ::: |
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| Head-to-head record is the first tie-breaker. With New York, San Antonio, and Tulsa, the Lib are 1-3, the SASS are 4-2, and the Shock are 3-3. In that instance the Lib would get the #2. New York would also get the edge for draft position in 2-way ties against both San Antonio (head-to-head) and Tulsa (cross conference record).
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| Posted: 09/14/13 6:06 pm ::: |
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I'm pretty sure they don't tie-break for lottery percentages. They add the ping-pong ball combinations together and then just split them.
So rather than:
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Team 1st 2nd 3rd 4th
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Connecticut 44.20 31.55 18.10 6.15
New York 27.60 31.04 26.98 14.38
San Antonio 17.80 22.95 31.73 27.51
Tulsa 10.40 14.45 23.19 51.96 |
It would just be:
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Team 1st 2nd 3rd 4th
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Connecticut 44.20 31.55 18.10 6.15
New York 18.60 22.82 27.30 31.28
San Antonio 18.60 22.82 27.30 31.28
Tulsa 18.60 22.82 27.30 31.28 |
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| Posted: 09/14/13 6:07 pm ::: |
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| Richyyy wrote: |
| I'm pretty sure they don't tie-break for lottery percentages. They add the ping-pong ball combinations together and then just split them. |
True, but there are also the 2nd and 3rd rounds to consider.
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| Posted: 09/14/13 6:23 pm ::: |
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| pilight wrote: |
| Richyyy wrote: |
| I'm pretty sure they don't tie-break for lottery percentages. They add the ping-pong ball combinations together and then just split them. |
True, but there are also the 2nd and 3rd rounds to consider. |
True, but people tend to care more about their chances of 1/2/3/4 than whether they're getting 14 or 15  . |
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| Posted: 09/15/13 6:23 pm ::: |
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| Are the CT percentages accurate ?
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p_d_swanson
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| Posted: 09/15/13 6:44 pm ::: |
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2014 WNBA Lottery percentages:
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Team 1st 2nd 3rd 4th
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Connecticut 44.20 31.09 18.31 6.40
New York 22.70 27.28 29.85 20.17
Tulsa 22.70 27.28 29.85 20.17
San Antonio 10.40 14.35 22.00 53.26 |
All possible combinations:
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1st 2nd 3rd 4th Pct
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Connecticut New York Tulsa San Antonio 12.33
Connecticut Tulsa New York San Antonio 12.33
New York Connecticut Tulsa San Antonio 8.90
Tulsa Connecticut New York San Antonio 8.90
Connecticut New York San Antonio Tulsa 5.65
Connecticut Tulsa San Antonio New York 5.65
New York Tulsa Connecticut San Antonio 5.40
Tulsa New York Connecticut San Antonio 5.40
Connecticut San Antonio New York Tulsa 4.12
Connecticut San Antonio Tulsa New York 4.12
New York Connecticut San Antonio Tulsa 4.08
Tulsa Connecticut San Antonio New York 4.08
San Antonio Connecticut New York Tulsa 2.57
San Antonio Connecticut Tulsa New York 2.57
New York San Antonio Connecticut Tulsa 2.02
Tulsa San Antonio Connecticut New York 2.02
San Antonio New York Connecticut Tulsa 1.74
San Antonio Tulsa Connecticut New York 1.74
New York Tulsa San Antonio Connecticut 1.27
Tulsa New York San Antonio Connecticut 1.27
New York San Antonio Tulsa Connecticut 1.04
Tulsa San Antonio New York Connecticut 1.04
San Antonio New York Tulsa Connecticut 0.89
San Antonio Tulsa New York Connecticut 0.89
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Total 100.00 |
Current 2014 Draft order, pending the Lottery results:
Round 1
1. Connecticut
2. New York
3. Tulsa
4. San Antonio
5. Indiana
6. Washington
7. Seattle
8. Atlanta
9. Phoenix
10. Chicago
11. Los Angeles
12. Minnesota
Round 2
13. Tulsa (from Connecticut 6/20/13)
14. New York
15. Minnesota (from Tulsa 3/1/13)
16. San Antonio
17. Indiana
18. Washington
19. Seattle
20. Atlanta
21. Phoenix
22. Chicago
23. Los Angeles
24. Minnesota
Round 3
25. Connecticut
26. New York
27. Tulsa
28. San Antonio
29. Indiana
30. Washington
31. Seattle
32. Atlanta
33. Phoenix
34. Chicago
35. Los Angeles
36. Minnesota
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| Posted: 09/15/13 9:56 pm ::: |
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Well in the long run maybe this season has helped NY, I think any of the most talked about talk 6 candidates would help NY (Ogwumike, Sims, Thomas, Gray, McBride or Dolson) so a lottery pick is really helpful. I think the most interesting (though possibly frustrating) spot for NY to land would be #2, assuming Ogwumike goes one I think the #2 pick is going to be a hard choice, obviously the college season can change that a lot but right now do we go with Thomas for our scoring and small forward needs or a PG, and if we do go PG which one, Sims is the more talked about but if she's healthy who is to say Gray doesn't outshine her. And if Gray is Bigger will that influence Bill's thought process. Or does it not matter because while this draft is good trading the pick for a decent known commodity is certainly in the cards as well. Well at least it will give Liberty fans something to talk about endlessly over the long off season.
And then we still have the #14 pick to obsess over as well, can't wait.
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| Posted: 09/15/13 10:14 pm ::: |
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| J-Spoon wrote: |
Well in the long run maybe this season has helped NY, I think any of the most talked about talk 6 candidates would help NY (Ogwumike, Sims, Thomas, Gray, McBride or Dolson) so a lottery pick is really helpful. I think the most interesting (though possibly frustrating) spot for NY to land would be #2, assuming Ogwumike goes one I think the #2 pick is going to be a hard choice, obviously the college season can change that a lot but right now do we go with Thomas for our scoring and small forward needs or a PG, and if we do go PG which one, Sims is the more talked about but if she's healthy who is to say Gray doesn't outshine her. And if Gray is Bigger will that influence Bill's thought process. Or does it not matter because while this draft is good trading the pick for a decent known commodity is certainly in the cards as well. Well at least it will give Liberty fans something to talk about endlessly over the long off season.
And then we still have the #14 pick to obsess over as well, can't wait. |
I agree. Right now, when I imagine NY's pick it's always Thomas or Gray. And that 14th pick could be a pretty good player because someone always slides unexpectedly. We just have to hope that Bill doesn't decide to be a genius again -- you know, like taking another college backup to force into a position she barely plays. 
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| Posted: 09/16/13 8:01 pm ::: |
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| For the 1st time ever, I'm not worried about ping pong balls!
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| Posted: 09/16/13 10:00 pm ::: |
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If SASS ends up with the #3 or #4 pick, I see them taking Dolson. If the SASS return healthy, they could be a very deep team.
PG: Robinson/[Hammon]
SG: Hammon/Perkins/Whyte
SF: Johnson/Christon
PF: Young/Adams/Alexander
C: Appel/Dolson
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| Posted: 09/17/13 7:43 am ::: |
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Team 1st 2nd 3rd 4th
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Washington 44.20 31.55 18.10 6.15
Phoenix 27.60 31.04 26.98 14.38
Tulsa 17.80 22.95 31.73 27.51
Chicago 10.40 14.45 23.19 51.96 |
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2014 WNBA Lottery percentages:
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Team 1st 2nd 3rd 4th
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Connecticut 44.20 31.09 18.31 6.40
New York 22.70 27.28 29.85 20.17
Tulsa 22.70 27.28 29.85 20.17
San Antonio 10.40 14.35 22.00 53.26 |
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How come the percentages for the top and bottom teams are slightly different between the two years? Did they change the maths very slightly? The middle two finishing tied doesn't seem like it should affect the percentage for the teams above and below them. |
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| Posted: 09/17/13 8:34 am ::: |
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| p_d_swanson wrote: |
Round 2
13. Tulsa (from Connecticut 6/20/13)
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