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 Posted: 04/03/12 12:22 am ::: NY Times: Can Griner Afford to Stay at Baylor? |
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| The smart choice, many experts in professional basketball believe, is for Griner to leave college now. The sooner she starts earning money, the more she can earn in the long run. The risk of staying at Baylor is that Griner could be injured at any moment. And she would miss out on any marketing deals affiliated with the London Olympics. She is expected to be named to the United States national team shortly. Griner has said that the money can wait. But she and women’s college basketball find themselves in a complicated, conflicted situation. |
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| Posted: 04/03/12 12:36 am ::: |
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What she ought to be able to do, if she wanted, is stay in school and take advantage of any marketing deals that tie in to the London Olympics.
Stupid-ass antiquated NCAA system. |
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| Posted: 04/03/12 1:27 am ::: |
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| She could get hurt her first season playing as a pro and never return to old form. She could find herself out of professional basketball very quickly. Then what would she have to fall back on, what can you do this day in age without a college degree? This is not the NBA, leaving school early just does not make much sense. Now if we were talking about NBA money I may be singing another song.
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| Posted: 04/03/12 1:41 am ::: |
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| She could get hurt her first season playing as a pro and never return to old form. She could find herself out of professional basketball very quickly. Then what would she have to fall back on, what can you do this day in age without a college degree? This is not the NBA, leaving school early just does not make much sense. Now if we were talking about NBA money I may be singing another song. |
Why can't see finish her degree after the WNBA season? She is still allowed to go to school as a student, it's not as if she turns pro and she's expelled from the university. Granted she won't have her degree this summer if she enters the draft, but if she isn't on track to get her degree in 4 years and she needs to go back for an extra year after she turns pro it's the same scenario, so the fact that she won't have her degree if she enters the WNBA draft now doesn't make sense. Look at Candice Wiggins she played in the WNBA went back to Stanford finished her classes and got her degree after she became a WNBA player, yes she finished her eligibility, but she still went to the WNBA without a college degree and took all the risk you speak of._________________ DeLisha Milton-Jones is my favorite player 
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| Posted: 04/03/12 4:32 am ::: |
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| She could get hurt her first season playing as a pro and never return to old form. She could find herself out of professional basketball very quickly. Then what would she have to fall back on, what can you do this day in age without a college degree? This is not the NBA, leaving school early just does not make much sense. Now if we were talking about NBA money I may be singing another song. |
Why can't see finish her degree after the WNBA season? She is still allowed to go to school as a student, it's not as if she turns pro and she's expelled from the university. Granted she won't have her degree this summer if she enters the draft, but if she isn't on track to get her degree in 4 years and she needs to go back for an extra year after she turns pro it's the same scenario, so the fact that she won't have her degree if she enters the WNBA draft now doesn't make sense. Look at Candice Wiggins she played in the WNBA went back to Stanford finished her classes and got her degree after she became a WNBA player, yes she finished her eligibility, but she still went to the WNBA without a college degree and took all the risk you speak of. |
Do you really think that's the same situation? Didn't Wiggins go to school for the full 4 years, so the credits she needed to graduate would have been significantly less than what Griner would need if she left a whole year early (you might have to do some research on this]. And didn't Wiggins need to be severely injured before she made time to finish up her school work? If Griner is playing pro basketball year round, when is she going to make time to finish up a year of senior level courses? The more you put something like this off, the more likely it'll never get done. So, if she really wants that degree [and it sounds like she does] then she might as well do it right away. |
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| Posted: 04/03/12 4:54 am ::: |
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| She could get hurt her first season playing as a pro and never return to old form. She could find herself out of professional basketball very quickly. Then what would she have to fall back on, what can you do this day in age without a college degree? This is not the NBA, leaving school early just does not make much sense. Now if we were talking about NBA money I may be singing another song. |
Why can't see finish her degree after the WNBA season? She is still allowed to go to school as a student, it's not as if she turns pro and she's expelled from the university. Granted she won't have her degree this summer if she enters the draft, but if she isn't on track to get her degree in 4 years and she needs to go back for an extra year after she turns pro it's the same scenario, so the fact that she won't have her degree if she enters the WNBA draft now doesn't make sense. Look at Candice Wiggins she played in the WNBA went back to Stanford finished her classes and got her degree after she became a WNBA player, yes she finished her eligibility, but she still went to the WNBA without a college degree and took all the risk you speak of. |
Do you really think that's the same situation? Didn't Wiggins go to school for the full 4 years, so the credits she needed to graduate would have been significantly less than what Griner would need if she left a whole year early (you might have to do some research on this]. And didn't Wiggins need to be severely injured before she made time to finish up her school work? If Griner is playing pro basketball year round, when is she going to make time to finish up a year of senior level courses? The more you put something like this off, the more likely it'll never get done. So, if she really wants that degree [and it sounds like she does] then she might as well do it right away. |
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by I should do research, there is no way to research how many credits she has left to graduate unless her transcripts are public access, which I'm pretty sure they are not. If she is on track to graduate in 4 years she would only have one year left, if she isn't than yes she would have more, but that doesn't mean she can't do it. She doesn't have to play overseas, there are a lot of players who don't go overseas because they want to go to grad school instead, or they get a job in commentating, coaching, etc. I'm not saying she isn't going overseas, but it's not exactly a done deal that she has to go if she enters the draft.
And as far as Candice Wiggins goes, didn't she say before she ever put on a WNBA uniform that she was going back to Stanford, didn't she also have plans to finish her last year of volleyball eligibility before she got injured, maybe I'm confusing her with another player, but I'm pretty sure she said she was going to finish her degree before she went overseas and it has nothing to do with getting injured._________________ DeLisha Milton-Jones is my favorite player
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| Posted: 04/03/12 5:35 am ::: |
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| "Commercial endorsements could also bring in $100,000 to $200,000, marketing experts said. " |
Looking at Candace Parker's endorsements (and Parker is a good candidate for the most marketable WNBA player ever) they seem to die out. So Griner's total endorsement money over her career probably will be the same whether that career starts in 2012 or 2013. Losing out on making 500K (if they still pay that and Griner could get that) in Europe for an extra year, is real give up, assuming Griner plans on playing in Europe.
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| She could get hurt her first season playing as a pro and never return to old form. She could find herself out of professional basketball very quickly. Then what would she have to fall back on, what can you do this day in age without a college degree? |
If she can't afford to pay her way at Baylor for her final year she could always transfer to a Texas state school and graduate there.
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| "For one thing, women’s pro basketball players often draw less public attention than they do in college", said Marc Ganis, a sports business consultant. |
I think that is true with respect to Taurasi. Bet she could have gotten more money her junior and senior years in college ("We have Diana, you don't") than she did the years Phoenix won the title.
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| Posted: 04/03/12 6:57 am ::: |
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I thnk that is true with respect to Taurasi. Bet she could have gotten more money from sneaker manufacturers her junior and senior years in college than she has in the pros.[/quote]
Part of the problem with Taurasi's signature shoes were #1- they looked cheap; and #2- they were not marketed worth a darn.
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| Posted: 04/03/12 7:02 am ::: |
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| Can we please put this sh*t to rest? Brittney loves her school. She loves being a college kid. She is on top of the WCBB world. Let her be. WNBA GMs are idiots of the worst kind. The kid does not want to go to the pros and you cannot make her go.
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| Posted: 04/03/12 8:57 am ::: |
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| I thnk that is true with respect to Taurasi. Bet she could have gotten more money from sneaker manufacturers her junior and senior years in college than she has in the pros. |
Part of the problem with Taurasi's signature shoes were #1- they looked cheap; and #2- they were not marketed worth a darn.[/quote]
D did not have enough credits to graduate after 4 years. She went back to UConn after playing in the WNBA to get her degree. There are some NBA players who have done the same thing, I think including Michael Jordon.
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| Posted: 04/03/12 12:58 pm ::: |
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I have 2 daughters close to her age. If I've learned one thing - they will do what they want to do, no matter what anyone else thinks is "best" for them.
I won't say what's best for her, but in her position, should Baylor win the Championship, I would leave school. Nothing more to prove. However, as a Dream fan, I would really hate to see her end up in LA, so I hope she stays in school.
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| Posted: 04/03/12 10:04 pm ::: |
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According to doris burke "The los angeles sparks have always been the team Griner has dreamed of playing for" .....  |
I've never seen any evidence to back that up. I think she's confusing Griner with Cambage. |
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| Posted: 04/03/12 10:24 pm ::: |
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When did they change from these rules?
Is at least 22 years old during the calendar year of the applicable season
Has completed her intercollegiate basketball eligibility
Has graduated from a four-year college or university
Or has played at least two seasons for another professional basketball league
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| Posted: 04/03/12 10:26 pm ::: |
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When did they change from these rules?
Is at least 22 years old during the calendar year of the applicable season
Has completed her intercollegiate basketball eligibility
Has graduated from a four-year college or university
Or has played at least two seasons for another professional basketball league |
They haven't changed. A player must meet one of those conditions.
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| Posted: 04/03/12 10:30 pm ::: |
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When did they change from these rules?
Is at least 22 years old during the calendar year of the applicable season
Has completed her intercollegiate basketball eligibility
Has graduated from a four-year college or university
Or has played at least two seasons for another professional basketball league |
They haven't changed. A player must meet one of those conditions. |
Oh she will be 22 before the end of the year my bad.
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| Posted: 04/04/12 12:46 am ::: |
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| I get why the guys leave college...millions of dollars is nothing to sneeze at. But the women just don't make all that much. Get your education, Ms. Griner. A college degree and no student loans . . .or few loans? That's an opportunity few people get these days.
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| Posted: 04/04/12 8:06 am ::: |
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| According to doris burke "The los angeles sparks have always been the team Griner has dreamed of playing for" ..... |
I heard that too and was like "WTF!!!! Where did that come from?"  |
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| Posted: 04/04/12 8:44 am ::: |
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| She should take the money and run! The time is now to bank her ability....go back to school later. I guarantee you that if she is going to make a dime, now is the time. Endorse phone cases, USA Olympic jerseys, heck even endorse a long board company; wear some baggy shorts and endorse VANS...go to LA where the skateboard/surfboard mentality is everywhere and endorse, endorse, endorse while she can...make her money while she can and finish that last year of school in between the hoopla.....just my opinion.
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| She should take the money and run! The time is now to bank her ability....go back to school later. I guarantee you that if she is going to make a dime, now is the time. Endorse phone cases, USA Olympic jerseys, heck even endorse a long board company; wear some baggy shorts and endorse VANS...go to LA where the skateboard/surfboard mentality is everywhere and endorse, endorse, endorse while she can...make her money while she can and finish that last year of school in between the hoopla.....just my opinion. |
i agree.... too much emphasis is given to a degree just for the sake of the degree... the purpose of a degree is to put you in a position to make money... if you can make money without the degree... you can always get the degree later if you so desire.... jmo
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| Posted: 04/04/12 4:02 pm ::: |
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| She should take the money and run! The time is now to bank her ability....go back to school later. I guarantee you that if she is going to make a dime, now is the time. Endorse phone cases, USA Olympic jerseys, heck even endorse a long board company; wear some baggy shorts and endorse VANS...go to LA where the skateboard/surfboard mentality is everywhere and endorse, endorse, endorse while she can...make her money while she can and finish that last year of school in between the hoopla.....just my opinion. |
i agree.... too much emphasis is given to a degree just for the sake of the degree... the purpose of a degree is to put you in a position to make money... if you can make money without the degree... you can always get the degree later if you so desire.... jmo |
Education has value far beyond dollars and cents. She can get the degree later, but she can also make money later.
If my choice was a bunch of money or the chance to be a care free 22 year old college student for a year, I would choose the latter in a heartbeat.
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| As I recall her major (announced during the final) was something like Atheletic Performance and Recreation, along with some of the other Baylor players. Not sure how well that pays after graduation.
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| As I recall her major (announced during the final) was something like Atheletic Performance and Recreation, along with some of the other Baylor players. Not sure how well that pays after graduation. |
That really depends on what she wants to do. If say she wants to eventually be an athletic director at a university, I think that pays pretty well, or if she wants to get into coaching, or teaching, of course she would have to do more schooling after she gets her bachelor's for that, but you get the idea. I'm not sure depending on her focus, but with athletic performance, if she took anatomy, physiology, physics, and other similar classes, she could probably go to physical therapy school, but she would have to do internships before she does that, or even athletic training, but she would have to do more before she gets certified. Just like most majors there isn't on specific thing she can do, so it really depends on what she wants to do with her degree as opposed to what her degree does for her._________________ DeLisha Milton-Jones is my favorite player
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| Posted: 04/04/12 5:15 pm ::: |
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| My question is, your own personal feelings on education or the importance of making money or whatever aside, why is anyone trying to make the public case that Griner should or should not do something? Let her decide for herself, jesus.
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| Posted: 04/04/12 5:31 pm ::: |
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| My question is, your own personal feelings on education or the importance of making money or whatever aside, why is anyone trying to make the public case that Griner should or should not do something? Let her decide for herself, jesus. |
She already did. Made it pretty clear. But folks still want to speculate. |
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| Posted: 04/04/12 6:03 pm ::: |
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I really do not understand all the hype over this. She should stay in school and enjoy her last year as a "kid" before been feed to the sharks of the professional world.
Is she ready for live in Istanbul, these are the only clubs left in Europe that have the kind of money to pay her next season. Nobody was expecting her this year and have not made a budget allowance for her |
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| Posted: 04/04/12 6:10 pm ::: |
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I really do not understand all the hype over this. She should stay in school and enjoy her last year as a "kid" before been feed to the sharks of the professional world.
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Exactly how Diggins feels, even though most people are predicting Notre Dame won't have a chance next year (I'm not so sure about that). |
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| Posted: 04/04/12 10:21 pm ::: |
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I really do not understand all the hype over this. She should stay in school and enjoy her last year as a "kid" before been feed to the sharks of the professional world.
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Exactly how Diggins feels, even though most people are predicting Notre Dame won't have a chance next year (I'm not so sure about that). |
There are so many factors that go into what may and may not happen next year that its about as predictable as the Mega Millions lottery. |
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