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| ny's problem isn't that anthony came back.... their problem is that they can't play defense worth a damn.... they need a defensive coordinator fast.... and someone that can stop amarie from being so soft.... jmo |
JR Smith taking more shots then everybody in half the minutes is a problem as well. Not really a clear hierarchie.
Tbh Lin taking 17 shots a game is a bit much also he has the weapons on the team he just needs to use them and not only use Chandler in the pick&roll and Fields in the open court. Find a way to get a connection between Lin and Melo.
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17 shots is "a bit much" for the typical non-Rose scoring PG.
17 shots a game for a guy like Lin is just...Linsane. He isn't good enough to consistently warrant that many shots.
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17 shots is "a bit much" for the typical non-Rose scoring PG.
17 shots a game for a guy like Lin is just...Linsane. He isn't good enough to consistently warrant that many shots. |
Yeah so i understand why Melo has trouble getting back in this system. He is a player that needs to get around 15+ shots a game and be the N.1 option on this team. After that Amare needs to have his shots. 9 shots isnt enough (Gasol is having same problem for the Lakers) Amare needs to be the 2nd option and then Lin maybe 3rd in amount of shots.
And JR needs to get hit in the face by a big butt. Damn chucker
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JR needs to be cut. He just isn't willing to accept a role that calls for him to do something other than chuck.
Amar'e and Carmelo HAVE to get more shots. Knicks fans keep saying that Lin is only comfortable in the pick-and-roll with Tyson Chandler and feels most comfortable playing with Novak and Fields. Know what that means? He's not a starter. I can't imagine a starting PG in the NBA not being able to get better shots for Carmelo and Amar'e. Hell, 56-year-old Steve Nash can get those two great shots!
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JR needs to be cut. He just isn't willing to accept a role that calls for him to do something other than chuck.
Amar'e and Carmelo HAVE to get more shots. Knicks fans keep saying that Lin is only comfortable in the pick-and-roll with Tyson Chandler and feels most comfortable playing with Novak and Fields. Know what that means? He's not a starter. I can't imagine a starting PG in the NBA not being able to get better shots for Carmelo and Amar'e. Hell, 56-year-old Steve Nash can get those two great shots! |
He *is* getting them shots, open, great looks, they just aren't making them. Lin should be averaging double figures in assists. Amar'e is missing from point-blank range. I think Lin has to control his shot attempts, he just forces some absurd shots, but I think JR and BD are also a bit trigger-happy lately. There are several reasons for Amar'e and Melo not getting enough shot attempts (although I'm pretty comfortable with Melo getting his usual 20 or so): their PT has been reduced lately as the deficits tend to grow exponentially with them both on the floor. It's simple people. They're not a good fit. One or the other, fine. Plus Amar'e is plain sucking this year and has been before Lin even. The Knicka are having the weirdest season ever, a total drug trip.
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| Hmm. Amar'e and Carmelo aren't missing those shots if Chris Paul is getting them those looks instead of Jeremy Lin or if Phil Jackson is coaching them rather than Mike 'Antoni. Plain and simple--they aren't buying into the "system".
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| Posted: 03/12/12 9:26 pm ::: |
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| Carmelo should've gotten the ball there.
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| Posted: 03/12/12 9:33 pm ::: |
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| Hmm. Amar'e and Carmelo aren't missing those shots if Chris Paul is getting them those looks instead of Jeremy Lin or if Phil Jackson is coaching them rather than Mike 'Antoni. Plain and simple--they aren't buying into the "system". |
But if there's only ONE PG and ONE coach that can make them work, then it's a failure already. That's my point. Phil ain't coming back for this, forget it. And I'd much rather have CP3 than Melo, which was my dream scenario before the Melo saga. They're getting paid 20 mil a year each, they have to do whatever it takes.
Right now PG play is the least of the Knicks' worry. I'd settle for someone who can box out. The Bulls are getting 8th chance shots right now.
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| Posted: 03/12/12 9:39 pm ::: |
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| Mike Breen is going IN on Melo & Amar'e right now. I doubt he has a job tomorrow. Not with MSG anyway.
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| Posted: 03/12/12 9:43 pm ::: |
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| Hmm. Amar'e and Carmelo aren't missing those shots if Chris Paul is getting them those looks instead of Jeremy Lin or if Phil Jackson is coaching them rather than Mike 'Antoni. Plain and simple--they aren't buying into the "system". |
or maybe they're both overrated, and they'd miss regardless because they just aren't that good.
It's funny how Lin could win with Novak and Jeffries but Amar'e and Melo come in and screw it up.
They should be looking to trade one of the two (at least) while team's still think they are worth something.
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| or maybe they're both overrated, and they'd miss regardless because they just aren't that good. |
Maybe. They were both 2nd-tier stars before they arrived in New York. Both had led teams to the Western Conference Finals in recent years.
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| It's funny how Lin could win with Novak and Jeffries but Amar'e and Melo come in and screw it up. |
He has more in common with the Novaks and Jeffries of the NBA than he does with the Anthonys and Stoudemires. I can't see Lin starting anywhere other than New York. Maybe that's the problem.
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| They should be looking to trade one of the two (at least) while team's still think they are worth something. |
They should look into a trade, but what good will it do them? They don't seem like a team that's ready to jump to the 6th seed in the East.
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| every player has weaknesses and drawbacks.... always have... always will.... with the pieces the knicks have they should be loads better than they are.... when the players are there... and you still aren't winning.... i'd point to the system... and the coach.... with emphasis on the system....
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| Posted: 03/13/12 4:55 pm ::: |
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| as has been said before; if Amare, Carmelo & JR would make their shots being dished to them by Lin; he'd be average a double-double(possibly 15/15). It's not Lin's fault that three of his fellow All-Star teammates are shooting bricks.
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| i'm not trying to be smart... but is it his fault that he's a turnover machine... and that he couldn't even guard d'antoni.....??
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| i'm not trying to be smart... but is it his fault that he's a turnover machine... and that he couldn't even guard d'antoni.....?? |
Yup.
But I think people are completely unfair to Lin.
He literally came out of nowhere, and played REALLY well. Now he's got to adjust to defenses, NBA defenses, focusing on him. And he's got to play against guys that physically he's never seen before (Focused)
He deserves time to adjust before people say he's a bust. And expecting him to be amazing every night, and to win every game is ridiculous. Every other young player gets that time of adjustment. (typically seen in the sophomore slump)
He managed to win seven games in a row with NBA scrubs. (Although Novak is also a perfect fit in the D'Antonie system). Something that the "superstars" couldn't do without him, and something they've screwed up with him.
Does Lin have flaws in his game. Absolutely. We can start with the turnovers, defense, and lack of ability to use the left hand. But he's got a lot of talent too - and this is a guy who hasn't been competing against "the best" his entire life. He's got to get better, but every young player does, and acting like Lin's shortcomings = his 15 minutes are up.
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Lin is a good PG and he was a nice stop-gap. Don't think he's starting material, but the system does favor his game. That being said, and that's just my opinion, he's not the Knicks' biggest problem right now. He's a guy playing out of his mind at the vet's minimum. His production is lights out when you take that into account. The busts are the 20-million guys who could hit a shot if CP was passing to them but can't if a no-name guy is the PG? That's not an excuse.
The Knicks are stuck for years to come unless they can unload one of these two. Again, whose system fits their game? Is there a coach out there not named Phil capable of making this work? If not, how is this D'Antoni's fault and not Dolan's?
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i don't think we're so much as being unfair to lin... as we are reacting to the way over the top hype that his fans got caught up in and spread.... i don't think that any of us denied that he was a very good ballplayer.... it's just that his fans didn't want to hear any negatives about him at all.... they reacted to what we said... we reacted to their replies... they... we...they....we.... and so on....  |
I don't even know that his fans did that so much as the media.
And the media, and I knew they were doing this to him, setting him up to fail. Because he just wasn't going to continue the play he was having. (He was playing at an all star level..without much experience against such great players.)
I've got a soft spot for Lin. I saw him play against Uconn. He's a special player, in that..when you see him playing..even if you were a fan of the other team, you end up rooting for Lin. (Heck, the whole Lakers team loves him now..) He's just an extremely fun player to watch. And I kind of knew the media was going to take that away from him.
The first time I saw him play, by the end of the game me (and the entire Uconn student section) were at least partially rooting for Harvard, and extremely impressed by Lin. So impressed, that I cared enough to see where he was projected to get drafted (he wasn't, I think he was ranked about 90th at the time.) Enough so that I bothered to watch him play in summer league (and beat up on Wall). And enough that I'd kept track of where he was.
To be honest, I thought he could be a really good backup PG. But I think he could, at least in D'Antonie's system, be a really good starting PG. (And, despite some faults..he HAS been) But that never mattered to me really. Whenever I saw him, he was just incredibly likeable and fun to watch.
But you know what, for being ignored his entire life, maybe he deserved the huge amount of fame (and endorsements and likely large contract he'll eventually get.)
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| except for the part about it being the media and not his fans.... (even locally he had fans that were rabid about any negative comment made toward him) i agree with that... in fact... i like him also... i know you can't really tell a person from 30 second sound bites... but from his int's he really seems like a good guy....
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The fact is, Anthony is not performing at a level that warrants more shots or self-indulgent play. He is shooting a career-low 40 percent from the field. The Knicks are 2-11 this season when he has 20 or more attempts.
For the past 10 games, the Knicks have been demonstrably worse when Anthony plays. With Anthony on the court, the Knicks are scoring at a rate of 97.7 points per 100 possessions. When he is on the bench, that rating soars to 109.8. |
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| Looking at some of the comments made by NY Knicks fans in this article, I better not hear ONE WORD about the South being the most racist place in America. NOT ONE WORD!
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| yet without Lin's winning streak, the Knicks wouldn't even be looking at theh play-offs. Woodson better keep Lin happy and not stir up trouble.
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| Looking at some of the comments made by NY Knicks fans in this article, I better not hear ONE WORD about the South being the most racist place in America. NOT ONE WORD! |
I have to say, after living in New York for a few years...I'm astonished at the racism.
Where I grew up, and I don't know if it just happened to be the specific highschool class or whatever, despite the lack of minorities (in a small suburban Connecticut town)- racism just wasn't tolerated. Period. The thought process was that only ignorant (and quite frankly terrible) people felt that way.
Maybe I was just lucky with who I grew up around, and it's not Connecticut as much as it was my specific area of growing up, at that specific town at that specific time. But living elsewhere has shocked me.
I just think the less educated people are the more racist they tend to be.
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| lin is playing exceptional ball right now... as are the rest of the knicks.... woodson even has melo playing defense....they are really playing like a team....
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| Lin is slowly proving he wasn't a product of D'Antoni's system after all (although that system suited him better). I honestly thought Woodson would bench him in favor of BD. He's been solid during the last 3 games, making better decisions and taking good shots. Of couse, Mike Woodson's playbook has one page, it's iso on offense and crazy switching on defense, so that is perfect for a gunner like Carmelo. As a consequence, Lin has the ball in his hands a lot less. Let's see how long this coaching-change momentum will carry on. Tough one in Philly tonight.
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| i actually think that woodson's system suits lin better... it covers up his shortcomings... and doesn't put as much pressure on him.... and it helps him in matchups that he would come out on the short end against.... jmo
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FYI, here's Lin's stats since Woodson took over:
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| those are great numbers.... he now seems to be playing within himself well...
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| hhhhmmmm.... lin played a good game.... but he couldn't hit the side of a barn with a shotgun... and every time anyone even breathed on him in the fourth he got a foul call....
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| it's terrible that Lin has to undergo surgery and likely won't be back this season unless the Knicks upset the Bulls or Heat in the first round.
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| He underwent successful surgery today, recovery still at 6 weeks. He'd be better off coming back next season fully healed.
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| he'd only be coming back this season if the Knicks get by the Heat or Bulls in the first round. I didn't see that happening with both Lin & Amar'e, there's no way they get past either team without both of them.
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| glad to hear the surgery went well.... i blew out both my knees... full reconstruction on both with broken kneecaps.... i know how he feels.... speedy recovery lin.....
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