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| And Debbie, get a freaking clue. There is no justifiable reason for you to be touting Maryland over Notre Dame. |
To be fair, she wasn't the only one. I think Voepel also picked them to advance. But yeah, Antonelli's love for Thomas and that team was a bit excessive. Especially since they were only 3rd in the ACC and only looked great during the ACC tournament. |
They didn't look great at all in the ACC title game. They got some calls their way in the last minute. I don't know what Antonelli was smoking.
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| Maryland won that ACC Tourney in part because they avoided the top two seeds (Duke and Miami). |
They won the ACC tournament because they beat all the teams they were better than, unlike Duke and Miami.
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| I'd be worried if I were a UCONN fan. |
I'm not worried. ND is my national champion pick. I expect Uconn will lose.
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| And Debbie, get a freaking clue. There is no justifiable reason for you to be touting Maryland over Notre Dame. |
Since when does she not have the right to make a prediction? She gets paid to commentate and dissect the game, she can say whatever she wants. Just because her thoughts may not be right or similar to yours doesn't make them wrong. I know Debbie is a bit of an ACC homer, but to state that there is "no justifiable reason" for her to choose Maryland over ND and state her reasons why is a bit dramatic if you ask me.
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| And Debbie, get a freaking clue. There is no justifiable reason for you to be touting Maryland over Notre Dame. |
Since when does she not have the right to make a prediction? She gets paid to commentate and dissect the game, she can say whatever she wants. Just because her thoughts may not be right or similar to yours doesn't make them wrong. I know Debbie is a bit of an ACC homer, but to state that there is "no justifiable reason" for her to choose Maryland over ND and state her reasons why is a bit dramatic if you ask me. |
I stand by what I said.
Notre Dame so clearly outclasses Maryland because of what they do on both sides of the ball. It was insulting to pick Maryland over Notre Dame. She clearly has every right to make idiotic predictions, but her touting of Maryland goes too far when she picks them to win a game of this nature against a team that is playing phenomenal basketball and is well equipped to handle and overcome the one supposed deficiency they have.
Things like this should diminish Debbie's credibility. Going out on a limb or calling it a hunch is one thing - Debbie straight up called Maryland's front line the best in the country while calling a Stanford game. That is a commentator being an idiot, not invoking her right to prediction.
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| Posted: 03/27/12 11:03 pm ::: |
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| I'd be worried if I were a UCONN fan. |
I'm not worried. ND is my national champion pick. I expect Uconn will lose. |
I'm not worried either because I don't expect uconn to win it all this year either. They'll have a couple more back to back championships coming up soon. But my pick isn't Notre Dame to win it all. I pick Baylor to win it all this year and maybe next year as well.
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| Maryland won that ACC Tourney in part because they avoided the top two seeds (Duke and Miami). |
They won the ACC tournament because they beat all the teams they were better than, unlike Duke and Miami. |
And yet they got blown the eff off the court outside of the friendly confines of the ACC. If that's the best team in the ACC, then this conference should just disband.
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| Posted: 03/27/12 11:09 pm ::: |
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| Maryland won that ACC Tourney in part because they avoided the top two seeds (Duke and Miami). |
They won the ACC tournament because they beat all the teams they were better than, unlike Duke and Miami. |
And yet they got blown the eff off the court outside of the friendly confines of the ACC. If that's the best team in the ACC, then this conference should just disband. |
All the ACC teams went the same way. The team that knocked Duke out of the ACC tournament got beat in the second round of the WNIT.....on their home floor.....by a team from the SoCon.
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| And Debbie, get a freaking clue. There is no justifiable reason for you to be touting Maryland over Notre Dame. |
Since when does she not have the right to make a prediction? She gets paid to commentate and dissect the game, she can say whatever she wants. Just because her thoughts may not be right or similar to yours doesn't make them wrong. I know Debbie is a bit of an ACC homer, but to state that there is "no justifiable reason" for her to choose Maryland over ND and state her reasons why is a bit dramatic if you ask me. |
I stand by what I said.
Notre Dame so clearly outclasses Maryland because of what they do on both sides of the ball. It was insulting to pick Maryland over Notre Dame. She clearly has every right to make idiotic predictions, but her touting of Maryland goes too far when she picks them to win a game of this nature against a team that is playing phenomenal basketball and is well equipped to handle and overcome the one supposed deficiency they have.
Things like this should diminish Debbie's credibility. Going out on a limb or calling it a hunch is one thing - Debbie straight up called Maryland's front line the best in the country while calling a Stanford game. That is a commentator being an idiot, not invoking her right to prediction. |
I agree with you 100% on this issue.
This shameless touting of Maryland goes beyond tonight's game. She's been doing this since 2006. Maryland has done NOTHING since that Final Four to justify Debbie A's constant homering. NOTHING! It's not as tough to get to the Elite 8 when you're hosting the first two rounds of the NCAAs almost every other year. As a team, they've done very little to justify having such a big national reputation.
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| All the ACC teams went the same way. The team that knocked Duke out of the ACC tournament got beat in the second round of the WNIT.....on their home floor.....by a team from the SoCon. |
You simply don't get it, and I feel as though I'm talking to a fucking brick wall. Every other ACC team wasn't being touted as a FF team!!!! Nobody gives a damn how those other teams went out. Three of the six ESPN geniuses had Maryland in the effing FF based on a conference tourney during which they did not face the top two seeds. PEOPLE ACTUALLY THOUGHT THIS TEAM HAD POTENTIAL TO REACH DENVER. Instead, they were nothing short of an embarrassment to the already underwhelming ACC and made fools of all those who believed they were anything more than the third-best team in the conference.
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I also want to say that this isn't me having some big issue with Maryland (aside from Brenda's complete disinterest in coaching defense).
Marissa Coleman is still one of my favorite collegiate players of all time. I also thought that Laura Harper was a contagious competitor and really loved watching her as well. I have great respect for the work Langhorne has done.
I just think that for our sport, it's important that more reality is out there. I think that when we have people like Carolyn Peck who essentially doesn't know what is going on half the time and Debbie Antonelli who is so tied to one school that she can't see their completely flawed match up with a team that has been so good, it just looks bad for the whole sport.
It's not disappointing for people to be wrong, or to say that something could cause a problem for an opponent - but sometimes I think that you have to be right. And it's time to hold some people accountable for their lack of interest in being right because of their ridiculous bias or lack of brain function.
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| All the ACC teams went the same way. The team that knocked Duke out of the ACC tournament got beat in the second round of the WNIT.....on their home floor.....by a team from the SoCon. |
You simply don't get it, and I feel as though I'm talking to a fucking brick wall. Every other ACC team wasn't being touted as a FF team!!!! Nobody gives a damn how those other teams went out. Three of the six ESPN geniuses had Maryland in the effing FF based on a conference tourney during which they did not face the top two seeds. PEOPLE ACTUALLY THOUGHT THIS TEAM HAD POTENTIAL TO REACH DENVER. Instead, they were nothing short of an embarrassment to the already underwhelming ACC and made fools of all those who believed they were anything more than the third-best team in the conference. |
The whole conference is overrated. Maryland got the brunt of it this year because the won the tournament, but year after year the conference gets all these high seeds and people talking about them having a chance only to see them get blown out as soon as they see a half decent opponent.
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I just think that for our sport, it's important that more reality is out there. I think that when we have people like Carolyn Peck who essentially doesn't know what is going on half the time and Debbie Antonelli who is so tied to one school that she can't see their completely flawed match up with a team that has been so good, it just looks bad for the whole sport.
It's not disappointing for people to be wrong, or to say that something could cause a problem for an opponent - but sometimes I think that you have to be right. And it's time to hold some people accountable for their lack of interest in being right because of their ridiculous bias or lack of brain function. |
The problem being that any good analyst will get "promoted" to some other sport that ESPN has deemed a higher priority.
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| Is Debbie also the one who said St. Bonaventure didn't deserve to be in? |
Yes. She said so in that podcast she is involved in.
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| The whole conference is overrated. Maryland got the brunt of it this year because the won the tournament, but year after year the conference gets all these high seeds and people talking about them having a chance only to see them get blown out as soon as they see a half decent opponent. |
I have said this time and time again. The conference, on a national level, isn't very good. The "haves" within the ACC just beat the crap out of the "have nots".
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| The whole conference is overrated. Maryland got the brunt of it this year because the won the tournament, but year after year the conference gets all these high seeds and people talking about them having a chance only to see them get blown out as soon as they see a half decent opponent. |
I have said this time and time again. The conference, on a national level, isn't very good. The "haves" within the ACC just beat the crap out of the "have nots". |
I couldn't believe that people were talking about North Carolina as a tournament team. Or that they were ranked for as long as they were. I'll be the first to admit that the Pac-12 is not as strong as I would like, but it frustrates me (and obviously Tara!) to no end to hear the ACC and Big 10 hyped as much as they are, when the justification just isn't there.
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| The whole conference is overrated. Maryland got the brunt of it this year because the won the tournament, but year after year the conference gets all these high seeds and people talking about them having a chance only to see them get blown out as soon as they see a half decent opponent. |
I have said this time and time again. The conference, on a national level, isn't very good. The "haves" within the ACC just beat the crap out of the "have nots". |
I couldn't believe that people were talking about North Carolina as a tournament team. Or that they were ranked for as long as they were. I'll be the first to admit that the Pac-12 is not as strong as I would like, but it frustrates me (and obviously Tara!) to no end to hear the ACC and Big 10 hyped as much as they are, when the justification just isn't there. |
Who the hell hypes the Big 10?
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| The whole conference is overrated. Maryland got the brunt of it this year because the won the tournament, but year after year the conference gets all these high seeds and people talking about them having a chance only to see them get blown out as soon as they see a half decent opponent. |
I have said this time and time again. The conference, on a national level, isn't very good. The "haves" within the ACC just beat the crap out of the "have nots". |
I couldn't believe that people were talking about North Carolina as a tournament team. Or that they were ranked for as long as they were. I'll be the first to admit that the Pac-12 is not as strong as I would like, but it frustrates me (and obviously Tara!) to no end to hear the ACC and Big 10 hyped as much as they are, when the justification just isn't there. |
Who the hell hypes the Big 10? |
It feels like everybody's hyped when you're constantly being told how terrible your conference is...
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| Is Debbie also the one who said St. Bonaventure didn't deserve to be in? |
Yes, based on pretty much what she saw in the A-10 Championship game and whatever minimal prep work she did for it. Given that she was usually doing 2-3 games a week and had just come from broadcasting 3 ACC tournament games in the previous 2 days it could not have been much. I was practically sitting behind her watching the same game and while it was not a thing of beauty I cannot understand what disgusted her so much that she would call them out as completely unworthy of a bid. The Sweet 16 broadcast had the most insincere "oops" I have every heard.
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| So what did Freese and MD talk about during Halftime?...I havent seen any kind of adjustments made. |
They discussed exit meetings and summer school schedules. |
LOL... I was going to say their travel plans back to College Park.
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http://www.hoopfeed.com/content/2012/03/28/dishin-on-the-elite-eight-final-four-bound-notre-dame-impressive-in-rout-of-maryland/_________________ Thursdays starting at 3 ET: Dishin' & Swishin' The World of Womens Hoops Podcast at www.hoopfeed.com & itunes |
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I couldn't believe that people were talking about North Carolina as a tournament team. Or that they were ranked for as long as they were. I'll be the first to admit that the Pac-12 is not as strong as I would like, but it frustrates me (and obviously Tara!) to no end to hear the ACC and Big 10 hyped as much as they are, when the justification just isn't there. |
I agree.
Considering Cals performance vs ND and Marylands performance vs ND.
Dukes double digit loss to Stanford. Miami losing to Gonzaga.
How the B1G got 7 teams in the tournament is a mystery too. The B1G AD's must send out brochures to the NCAA comittee with coupons to something attached to the brochure. Maybe even VISA cash cards??
The problem with the Pac12 is that too many people who follow the WBB game are asleep when their games are played.
With new Pac12 network ready for next season I hope they stagger some starting times on the Thursday night games. Perhaps some games start at 5pm PST and the others start at 7pm. At least some easterners will see the 5PM games.
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I couldn't believe that people were talking about North Carolina as a tournament team. Or that they were ranked for as long as they were. I'll be the first to admit that the Pac-12 is not as strong as I would like, but it frustrates me (and obviously Tara!) to no end to hear the ACC and Big 10 hyped as much as they are, when the justification just isn't there.[/quote]
Who the hell hypes the Big 10?[/quote]
The selection committee, for one.
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| I couldn't believe that people were talking about North Carolina as a tournament team. Or that they were ranked for as long as they were. I'll be the first to admit that the Pac-12 is not as strong as I would like, but it frustrates me (and obviously Tara!) to no end to hear the ACC and Big 10 hyped as much as they are, when the justification just isn't there. |
Who the hell hypes the Big 10?[/quote]
The selection committee, for one.[/quote]
With all of the high seeds they got?
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| I couldn't believe that people were talking about North Carolina as a tournament team. Or that they were ranked for as long as they were. I'll be the first to admit that the Pac-12 is not as strong as I would like, but it frustrates me (and obviously Tara!) to no end to hear the ACC and Big 10 hyped as much as they are, when the justification just isn't there. |
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The selection committee, for one.[/quote]
With all of the high seeds they got?[/quote]
Quantity, not quality. The Big 10 got 7 bids and only 2 of them even made it past the 1st round. This includes 2 teams who were the higher ranked in the contest. ALL of the other power conferences, by comparison, were 25-4 out of the 1st round.
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ND is just so well-coached it isn't funny. |
Am I incorrect in saying that, with Summit having her disease, Muffet is easily the second best coach in WCBB? |
"Easily" is overstating it. Is she clearly better than Tara Vanderveer? |
I should think NOT!   I don't know if she's better than Mulkey, either.  Or Sherri Coale. Or Matthew Mitchell. Or Sylvia Hatc....(no, wait, cancel that one)
For real, though: I think it's a good idea to get away from the Fluff n' Stuff in evaluating a coach. Yes, yes, yes....it's all about championships.  So we pay homage to GenoPatTaraEtc. But if you dont' get distracted by the bling and glitz, there are some FAB coaches who've proven just this season that they KNOW HOW TO COACH. Rueck at OR State, Graves at Gonzaga, Gottlieb at Cal, Smesko at FGCU, etc., etc.
[I'd just loooooove to see Geno's neck veins if he'd suddenly be given the players from Alcorn State or Arkansas-Pine Bluff for a season....what could he do with that ??]
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It'd be an interesting experiment. I gotta say, he made it to the final four this year with a group that really didn't seem to add up to a basketball team.
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There's no question Geno is a great coach, but I agree that you have to take overall talent into account, and also how it fits together.
It seems like the best recruiters recruit pieces that fit, and maybe some others get seduced by the ratings. The number of Hoopgurlz "stars" on your team doesn't necessarily tell you how good they will be as a unit. Fans see high ratings and they think the team is underachieving if they don't win... but maybe the coaching staff just didn't do a good job recruiting in spite of the star power.
Once you have a winning tradition, I would guess it's a lot easier to get the type of players you need. Geno knows what he needs, and he gets it.
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ND is just so well-coached it isn't funny. |
Am I incorrect in saying that, with Summit having her disease, Muffet is easily the second best coach in WCBB? |
"Easily" is overstating it. Is she clearly better than Tara Vanderveer? |
I should think NOT! I don't know if she's better than Mulkey, either. Or Sherri Coale. Or Matthew Mitchell. Or Sylvia Hatc....(no, wait, cancel that one)
For real, though: I think it's a good idea to get away from the Fluff n' Stuff in evaluating a coach. Yes, yes, yes....it's all about championships. So we pay homage to GenoPatTaraEtc. But if you dont' get distracted by the bling and glitz, there are some FAB coaches who've proven just this season that they KNOW HOW TO COACH. Rueck at OR State, Graves at Gonzaga, Gottlieb at Cal, Smesko at FGCU, etc., etc.
[I'd just loooooove to see Geno's neck veins if he'd suddenly be given the players from Alcorn State or Arkansas-Pine Bluff for a season....what could he do with that ??] |
I'd be curious what he could do with the St. Bonaventure players. Jim Crowley somehow molded those players into a group that refused to give up.
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There's no question Geno is a great coach, but I agree that you have to take overall talent into account, and also how it fits together.
It seems like the best recruiters recruit pieces that fit, and maybe some others get seduced by the ratings. The number of Hoopgurlz "stars" on your team doesn't necessarily tell you how good they will be as a unit. Fans see high ratings and they think the team is underachieving if they don't win... but maybe the coaching staff just didn't do a good job recruiting in spite of the star power.
Once you have a winning tradition, I would guess it's a lot easier to get the type of players you need. Geno knows what he needs, and he gets it. |
Before you write off Geno's accomplishments to simply being a great recruiter who just collects the pieces and pushes the "play" button, remember that it wasn't always that way. He had to win with lesser talent in order to make his program attractive enough to recruit championship-caliber talent. He didn't have top-notch facilities to work with from Day 1 the way Brenda Frese did at Maryland, nor did he walk into a championship-ready team the way Carolyn Peck did.
And let's not forget that he won championships in '03 and '04 with Diana Taurasi and a supporting cast that was either very young (Strother, Turner, etc.) or very limited physically (Conlon, Battle, etc.). And this year's team is in the Final Four despite not having a single 1st team All-American on the roster.
Say Brenda Frese was coaching UConn and Geno was coaching Maryland. Which team do you think would be preparing for the Final Four and which team would be holding exit meetings this week?
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myrtle
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| Posted: 03/28/12 10:11 pm ::: |
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| FS02 wrote: |
It seems like the best recruiters recruit pieces that fit, and maybe some others get seduced by the ratings. The number of Hoopgurlz "stars" on your team doesn't necessarily tell you how good they will be as a unit. Fans see high ratings and they think the team is underachieving if they don't win... but maybe the coaching staff just didn't do a good job recruiting in spite of the star power.
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Realistically though, many programs would die for a Hoopgurlz star - they don't have the leisure to pick and choose...more like OMG, SHE wants to come HERE! Let's make our program fit her...not vice versa.
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