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| LOL @ bumping a player's draft stock up or down because of one game |
It wasn't just one game, although she really showed up for that last game.
She's been good all tournament long. One of the reasons WAS made it as far as they did.
She seems to be a leader too. She's the chatty one at the halftime lockerroom meeting in this vid.
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She was classy congratulating Peterson on the court at the end of yesterday's game.
I'm telling ya.... poor man's Maya. Get her while she's cheap!
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I just dont think you can teach atlethicism which my left pinky toe has as much as Hamlin has. She is too slow, has no 1:1 offense and is too soft. I just dont see her translating to the WNBA. Prob a very decent international career.
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| Hamlin is not a pro player. Period. I think Boyette could have a role but Hamlin is not a WNBA player. |
I think that's a bit unfair to say. Hamblin's final lines against both UConn AND Baylor were pretty acceptable (had double-doubles in both games), and finished with 6 blocks vs UConn. Not eye popping numbers, but still acceptable. I think whoever drafts her knows that she'll be a work in progress, but that can be said about a lot of players in this draft. To me, Hamblin has to get stronger, but that's something that can be worked on and fixed. Her offensive game appears to be a little stiff, but that may be a confidence thing, or lack of development from her college coach. Who knows. I honestly don't think she'll be any worse than Hamson, who too is a project. |
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Yes, you can't teach that but you can polish an offensive game imo. When you don't have the athleticism, you can use your body to your advantage, something Ruth doesn't seem to know to do yet, but she has a very solid frame. I think one must remember, Hamblin started playing basketball in high school though. And yes she is slow, but so is Appel and Paris, but they both know how to use their bodies to their advantage. I think Ruth will have to go to the perfect situation, same with a lot of these players, in order to get the development and coaching they need. |
Paris has much better footwork than Hamblin. Paris has a slow body but quick feet in a short radius. Appel is a better comparison but the thing with Appel is she can do things with the basketball even when she isn't just a foot from the basket. She's a good passer even in the high post and coordinated enough to put the ball on the floor for a dribble or two. She can also shoot a little bit away from the basket. Her main thing is she is a terrible finisher around the rim. OTOH, Hamblin had 19 assists and 67 turnovers...in college. That's not good. If she can't pass in college, it's only going to be more of a problem in the pros when the speed of the game is faster. Especially when she also isn't a particularly good shooter and she struggles to finish against WNBA caliber athletes. I think her learning curve is enormous. Maybe in a year or two she can be a defensive presence in a situation where her presence on the floor doesn't destroy your offensive flow. But I think she's light years away from being ready for that right now. Toss in that she had to play about 10 feet off of Tuck to avoid having Tuck blow by her. I get that she won't be guarding too many undersized players in the pros, but what's going to happen when she guards a post player with some perimeter ability? It's going to take a lot of time and patience for her to develop, in my opinion.
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Expanded article on Powers declaring
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2016/04/04/michigan-state-aerial-powers/82622834/
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| “It’s not about the money to me,” Powers said. “I wouldn’t mind an overseas experience. I know some people have problems with it, but you know me, I’m very outgoing and I like new things and I’m excited for the experience.” |
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Early entries into the WNBA are rare, but the league allows players who are 22-years-old in the year of the draft to forgo remaining eligibility. She missed the entire 2012-13 season after tearing her Achilles tendon in October of her freshman year.
A year ago, Jewell Lloyd passed on her senior year at Notre Dame and became the first pick of the draft and the rookie of the year for Seattle.
Powers, who turned 22 on Jan. 17, will graduate next month with a degree in communications.
“I was very 50/50 for the longest of times,” Powers said. “I weighed all my pros and cons for staying and my pros and cons for leaving and I was in a good position all around. But I want to chase my dreams in the WNBA.” |
I didn't realize her injury was an Achilles. Might be something to consider.
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Why? It was years ago. To my limited knowledge she hasn't had a problem since. Has she? I've known several people with ruptured Achilles come back 100% and never have a re-occurring problem.
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Potential spots available for draftees and invitees,
Just wanted to calculate the open roster spots for each team based on my assumption of who is already a near lock on each team, note the word near so some might be off
by draft order
Seattle 2-3 spots
Bird, Loyd, Clark, Langhorne, Gatling, Goodrich, O'Hea, KML, Wright, Tokashiki*, Bishop *
Clearly adding Stewart is a done deal, which brings their roster to 12 but with two players possibly missing time for the Olympics, one of whom is currently injured so if you include Stewart Seattle has up to 2 open spots
SA 2-3 spots
Logic, Perkins, McBride, Hamby, Appel, Colson, Montgomery, Adams Alexander
If Robinson is out for the season SA seems to have 2-3 open spots, clearly who ever they take at #2 takes one of them, and SA has a couple of international who they could bring in at some point but even some of their locks could be beaten out be invitees (which I guess doesn't really make them locks) so SA is a good place to sign on if you want to make a team in the W
Conn 2-3 spots
Bentley, J. Thomas, A. Thomas, C. Ogwumike, Bone, C. Gray, Stricklen, Little, Henry
Conn has 4 picks in the first two rounds, 3 in the top 15, and also has a couple a decent bubble player in Faris, or could even bring in or back someone like J. Lacy or A, Jones for additional veteran support. So #3 and #4 seem in but I wouldn't unpack if I was #15 or #21
Dallas 1 spot
Sims, Diggins, Christmas, G. Johnson, Paris, Kiesel, Philips, Pierson, Zahui B, Bubble Hopper, Baugh, TJJ, Plaisance
with their decent bubble options even if TJJ can't play due to health I don't see Dallas having room for anymore than their first round pick.
LA 1-2 spots
Toliver, Beard, N. Ogwumike, Parker, Lavender, Dabovic, Bradford, Carson, Dubljevic, Wauters bubble, Hamson, Tolo*
With R. Williams out most likely for the season it looks to me like LA two spots, one for their first round pick, and maybe one 2nd round pick or camp invite, if Dabo misses time for the Olympics it might open up a temporary spot, but I feel like I'm missing someone on the above list, so two spots seems right, basically if you'r not their 1st round pick don't get too comfortable
Was 1-3 spots
Latta, Hill, TRP, Messeman, Dolson, Hartley, Cloud, Sanders, Vaughn Bubble Mallot (sp), deep bubble Hawkins,
I know I'm missing someone here, Lawson is still a question mark, I think their 1srt round pick has a good chance, maybe their second round pick can squeak in.
PX 0-1 spot
Taurasi, Bonner, Taylor, Dupree, Griner, Quinn, Currie, Bass, Williams likely bubble Petrovic, bubble or Olympic obligation Francis, Xargay, Harden, Bias
Maybe the first round pick makes it? Maybe PX feels that with Bias, and Harden already experienced with the team they'd rather take them, and with two decent internationals who might show as well maybe PX doesn't bring in any new players. PX can afford to defer in round 1 and take Alleyne if they like her, and then their 2nd round pick can hang around and audition until when and if Xargay or Francis arrive.
Indy 1-2 spots
January, S. Johnson, Coleman, Catchings, Larkins, Peters, Kizer, Achonwa* bubble Clarendon, Pohlen, Lucas
I think Indy's first round pick has a good shot, but I doubt any other invitees or draftees have a chance, (maybe Wheeler steals a spot if she has a good camp) unless Achonwa misses a big chunk of the season for the Olympics
Chicago 1-3 spots
Vadersloot, Pondexter, Young, EDD, De Souza*, Quigley, Laney, Breland, Parker, Dos Santos* bubble Faulkner
Chicago's first round pick has a good shot anyone after that might just be auditioning while De Souza and/or Dos Santos miss time for the Olympics, Chicago could still bring back Gemelos as well so except mayb for PX this is a hard team to make ATM.
Atlanta 2-3 spots
Schimmel, Hayes, McCoughtry, Lyttle*, E. Williams, Ajevon, Hodges, Gray, Burdick
Atlanta has 3 pick from 11-16 and has already brought in some decent camp player A. Thompson seems likely to make it back on the team. If Lyttle miss time for the Olympics or decides to skip the season and rest for her more lucrative over seas job, she ain't getting any younger, 3 maybe 4 new players make the team, but my guess is 2 of Atl three pick make it, but which two?
NY 2 spots
Wright, Zeallous, Cash, Charles, Swords, Boyd, Rodgers, Stokes, Warley, Eldebrink
I considered putting Eldebrink and Warley on the bubble but I don't think either would have been signed without a pretty good shot of them making the final team. So for now the 1st round pick has a good shot, and the 2nd round pick or a camp invite likely makes the team at least until one of Allen or Prince returns if they return at all in 2016
Minn 3-4 spots
Whalen, Augustus, Moore, Brunson, Fowles, R. Montgomery, Liston, Howard, bubble Kelley (maybies) MacCarville, Jarry after the Olympics
If you ever wanted to make it on to the Lynx this is the year, even if they get MaCarville back which I think will happen there are 3 open spots on the Lynx, and even if Jarry shows the competition for the other two spots starts with #14 and #22.
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| I know 2 for 3+4 has been an easy suggestion for months, but what if we now phrase it like this: Jefferson for Tuck and Powers, who says no? |
I would do it in a second if I was SA and probably do it If I'm Conn but Conn is in a powerful position if both Tuck and Powers declare and if they like Either of them, or Banham or even Mitchell or C. Williams USF. Conn would probably really like Jefferson, but don't need her, they can get their UConn fix with Tuck and still get a decent option and fit with their #4 pick.
If I'm Conn and I really secretly want both Tuck and Jefferson, I have enough other options I try to get SA to bite on J. Thomas and #4 (Powerss or Banham) for #2, and then consider upgrading it to C. Gray and #4 (Powers or Banham) for #2, or even consider throwing out there A. Thomas and #4 for #2, but only if Hughes has the fortitude to turn down Gray and #4 which I think Hughes would jump at if it was on the table C. Gray and Powers for Jefferson is a no brainer for SA IMO Conn could even throw in the #15 pick SA doesn't have a second round pick at #15 isn't all that likely to make the roster in Conn anyway. Even at what seems a high price Conn gets both its Huskies, who also fill a need, and don't really have any other spots for additional player, and maybe Other UConn husky Faris gets to ride the 12 spot for one more season.
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| sucks for Tiffany Mitchell. She was likely a top 3 pick 6 months ago. Tuck & Powers entering early & Banham's breakout season have likely pushed her down to the #6 pick. |
I think falling to LA would be good for Mitchell. She would learn from a great defender in Beard and take over her spot as the defense specialist when she hangs it up. Might not see as much time on the floor her rookie season as in the other cities but I think LA would be a good fit for Mitchell
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I think Agler would like Mitchell and could see her successful in LA.
But with R. Williams going down I could see them going for the instant offense that C. Williams USF would bring.
With that said I see Mitchell to LA at #6.
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Potential spots available for draftees and invitees,
Just wanted to calculate the open roster spots for each team based on my assumption of who is already a near lock on each team, note the word near so some might be off
Conn 2-3 spots
Bentley, J. Thomas, A. Thomas, C. Ogwumike, Bone, C. Gray, Stricklen, Little, Henry
Conn has 4 picks in the first two rounds, 3 in the top 15, and also has a couple a decent bubble player in Faris, or could even bring in or back someone like J. Lacy or A, Jones for additional veteran support. So #3 and #4 seem in but I wouldn't unpack if I was #15 or #21
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Jennifer O'Neil signed takes one spot. Faris will be in camp, so that's another spot.
They are a strong candidate to draft a no show. If Alleyne is available 2nd round, I'd be really really surprised if they passed on her.
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| I know 2 for 3+4 has been an easy suggestion for months, but what if we now phrase it like this: Jefferson for Tuck and Powers, who says no? |
I would do it in a second if I was SA and probably do it If I'm Conn but Conn is in a powerful position if both Tuck and Powers declare and if they like Either of them, or Banham or even Mitchell or C. Williams USF. Conn would probably really like Jefferson, but don't need her, they can get their UConn fix with Tuck and still get a decent option and fit with their #4 pick.
If I'm Conn and I really secretly want both Tuck and Jefferson, I have enough other options I try to get SA to bite on J. Thomas and #4 (Powerss or Banham) for #2, and then consider upgrading it to C. Gray and #4 (Powers or Banham) for #2, or even consider throwing out there A. Thomas and #4 for #2, but only if Hughes has the fortitude to turn down Gray and #4 which I think Hughes would jump at if it was on the table C. Gray and Powers for Jefferson is a no brainer for SA IMO Conn could even throw in the #15 pick SA doesn't have a second round pick at #15 isn't all that likely to make the roster in Conn anyway. Even at what seems a high price Conn gets both its Huskies, who also fill a need, and don't really have any other spots for additional player, and maybe Other UConn husky Faris gets to ride the 12 spot for one more season. |
devil's advocate....
Why? Why trade the rights to Jefferson if you need a point guard, and sucking again this year gets you a top spot next year that is probably better than Gray, Thomas or any of the other players you're offering.
I wouldn't do that if I'm SA.
I'd rebuild with local product Jefferson, McBride, and Hamby. Maybe trade Perkins or Appel who might have value to a possible contender for more young talent or draft picks.
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| I think there should be way more than 2-3 spots open on San Antonio's roster. Reason being, the pieces simply do not mesh. The roster just doesn't make sense together, which is why I think he needs to consider cleaning house. His main focus should be creating a team identity because that has been lacking the last two seasons. As you said, I think about 5-6 players could get beaten out.
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| The only locks for San Antonio's roster should be McBride & Perkins. Everyone else is disposable for the Stars. |
Appel and Hamby are a lot safer than you think.
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| The only locks for San Antonio's roster should be McBride & Perkins. Everyone else is disposable for the Stars. |
Appel and Hamby are a lot safer than you think. |
That's why they suck.
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Final version (barring predraft trades): I don't know that this is how it should go IMO but this is about how I think it will go. Like Randy, in a way it's by 'zones'.
1. Seattle - Breanna Stewart, UConn
2. San Antonio - Moriah Jefferson, UConn
3. Connecticut - Morgan Tuck, UConn
4. Connecticut - Rachel Banham Minn
5. Dallas –Aerial Powers, MSU
6. Los Angeles –Tiffany Mitchell, S Carolina
7. Washington - Jonquel Jones, GW
8. Phoenix - Jamie Weisner, Oregon St
9. Indiana - Imani Boyette,TX
10. Chicago - Ruth Hamblin Oregon State
11. Atlanta - Courtney Williams USF
12. New York - Kahleah Copper, Rutgers
Second round
13. Atlanta - Adut Bulgak, Florida State
14. Minnesota - Ameryst Alston Ohio State
15. Connecticut - Jillian Alleyne Oregon
16. Atlanta - Whitney Knight, FGCU
17. Los Angeles Brittany Martin, Oklahoma St
18. Dallas - Courtney Walker Texas A&M
19. Washington – Brene Moseley, Maryland
20. Phoenix - Bashaara Graves Tenn
21. Indiana – Talia Walton, Wa
22. Minnesota – Bria Holmes, WV
23. Connecticut – Megan Podkowa, DePaul
24. New York – Niya Johnson, Baylor
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| The only locks for San Antonio's roster should be McBride & Perkins. Everyone else is disposable for the Stars. |
Appel and Hamby are a lot safer than you think. |
Lonely DRob is most likely safe, so Hughes should be hoping for a great trade offer.
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I feel like anyone taking Hablim before Williams (USF) will regret later.
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Final version (barring predraft trades): I don't know that this is how it should go IMO but this is about how I think it will go. Like Randy, in a way it's by 'zones'.
1. Seattle - Breanna Stewart, UConn
2. San Antonio - Moriah Jefferson, UConn
3. Connecticut - Morgan Tuck, UConn
4. Connecticut - Rachel Banham Minn
5. Dallas –Aerial Powers, MSU
6. Los Angeles –Tiffany Mitchell, S Carolina
7. Washington - Jonquel Jones, GW
8. Phoenix - Jamie Weisner, Oregon St
9. Indiana - Imani Boyette,TX
10. Chicago - Ruth Hamblin Oregon State
11. Atlanta - Courtney Williams USF
12. New York - Kahleah Copper, Rutgers
Second round
13. Atlanta - Adut Bulgak, Florida State
14. Minnesota - Ameryst Alston Ohio State
15. Connecticut - Jillian Alleyne Oregon
16. Atlanta - Whitney Knight, FGCU
17. Los Angeles Brittany Martin, Oklahoma St
18. Dallas - Courtney Walker Texas A&M
19. Washington – Brene Moseley, Maryland
20. Phoenix - Bashaara Graves Tenn
21. Indiana – Talia Walton, Wa
22. Minnesota – Bria Holmes, WV
23. Connecticut – Megan Podkowa, DePaul
24. New York – Niya Johnson, Baylor |
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re: mytle mock
Not bad!
#4 - I'm preferring Banham not go to Connecticut after their #1 propaganda machine dissed her.
#8 - Seems high to me a not sure how she meshes with PHX players
#13 - Gee thanks. Won't ATL be overloaded with posts?
#14 - I see you have all the best posts taken by this point. I appreciate your effort to have MIN take
players I have taken a liking to.... but since the Lynx have their guard roster filled out, guard shouldn't be their biggest priority. My appreciation of Alston has also fallen off a bit.
#20 - I'm a little surprised you didn't have Graves going to ATL, since Cooper seems to share your love of Tenn players.
#21 Once again, OUCH
#22 Not bad for #22!
#24 Slight to Niya again, but you do favor NYL, so maybe you like Niya after all?
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Video on Powers declaring early
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| The only locks for San Antonio's roster should be McBride & Perkins. Everyone else is disposable for the Stars. |
Appel and Hamby are a lot safer than you think. |
That's why they suck. |
Appel is one of the best rebounders in the league, but who exactly could they get for her anyway? And she's hardly the reason the team sucks. IMO, it all starts with Hughes. The players he continues to bring in just don't mesh together, and he doesn't develop the ones he has. Prime example of this was Shenise in Indiana. For whatever reason, he thinks adding veterans will suddenly fix the ship, but it hardly ever works out that way as of late. Choosing to do shortcuts, instead of acquiring and growing youth is why they suck. I know it's in hindsight now, but Bill ended up making Hughes look like a fool after the Montgomery trade (when SA could have taken Stokes or Boyd there). That's why the team sucks, boneheaded front office moves.
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